Petition to keep F1 on BBC

Discussion in 'Motorsport' started by FullSpe3d98, Aug 4, 2011.

  1. FullSpe3d98

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  2. Tornado

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    Even ignoring the typical problems with online petitions, from what I understand based on lurking the other thread is that it was unrealistic to ever expect the BBC to keep the F1 licence exclusive in the first place, so I have to imagine it is even more unrealistic to think that outcry is going to bring it back.
     
  3. FullSpe3d98

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    The thing is, this is an official petition site, by the HM Government.
     
  4. MitchZ06

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    Is the BBC run by the Government? (just asking)
     
  5. Akira AC

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    I dont think that is possible, since the FOM is the one that controls who should receive the concessions for broadcast, I found very difficult(probably impossible) that the UK government could potentially have an effect on a private entity like the FOM.

    I like to see F1 back on the BBC too, but is more down to FOM business decisions, than BBC's.
     
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    Hey we have 100k fans of the show, which we already knew anyway, let's keep it then.

    Not going to happen when it costs 300m a year.
     
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    But F1 is staying on BBC, Just in a slightly reduced format.
     
  8. Ardius

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    Contracts are all signed it seems now, so a petition is hardly going to do any good. Its far too late for this kind of thing..
     
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    And if it did, it would be the beginning of a long, hard fight. I strongly suspect that if the petition were successful, then the BBC - or whoever broadcast the races - would have to scale back their coverage to keep costs down. That would probably mean commercial breaks (at the very least), the removal of the pre- and post-race coverage and the occasional delayed broadcast (particularly for the Asian races). And you know what the end result would be? The fans would be upset, as if they hadn't brought this on themselves.
     
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    If this gets through the harshest thing the government can do is revoke skys broadcasting licence so its worth a try as the government can get it back to free to air although if that happens I see ITV getting it..
     
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    Why would the government revoke Sky's broadcasting licence? The only time they'd do something like that would be for a serious violation of the broadcasting code. Sky hasn't done anything wrong, and the deal is legal under the Concorde Agreement. The Concorde only states that the sport should be broadcast on free-to-air "where possible". If no free-to-air networks purchase the rights to the sport, it is not possible for the sport to be broadcast on free-to-air, and so the bidding process can be opened up to pay-per-view networks. Even then, the terms of the Sky-BBC deal mean that Formula 1 will be shown on free-to-air television in some form, satifying the conditions of the Concorde Agreement. The Concorde might be a legally-binding document, but it is not actually a law. Sky have done nothing wrong; certainly nothing to justify having their broadcasting licence revoked.

    This is something I posted on another forum about the petition. It's actually a very, very flawed document:
    I also doubt the ability of the government to "get it back to free to air". In all seriousness, the only event they would have any control over would be the British Grand Prix, because it's the only race that is held in Britain. Any other British presence in the sport - drivers, teams, personnel - is transient. It changes with time, unlike premiership football, which is held exclusively in the UK.
     
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    I wasn't saying they would revoke skys licence I was saying the government holds all the cards.
     
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    Really? Because your wording implies that revoking the broadcasting licence is an option in this situation. Which it isn't.
     
  14. Only_in_f1

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    But if the government decided F1 had to remain free to air, it would therefore be illegal?

    Enjoy Tony Jardine.
     
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    I don't think the government would have any authority on the matter. Not to mention the anti-trust laws(I'm assuming England has them) would also be broken by such a ruling.
     
  16. Famine

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    I'd quite like a petition to keep government's noses out of business deals conducted between the private enterprise of BSkyB and the private enterprise of FOM representing the private enterprises of the various circuit-owning bodies and Red Bull, McLaren, Ferrari, Renault, Mercedes, Williams, Force India, Sauber, Hispania, Virgin Racing, Lotus and Cosworth.


    You know that the BBC had a choice of finding £50m to continue broadcasting F1 in full next year, finding another broadcaster to buddy with for 2012 to continue broadcasting any F1 next year or defaulting on their contract with FOM and being sued by Bernie, right? If you want F1 to stay on BBC in its entirety you should either be lobbying the government to increase the £145.50 licence fee to allow the BBC funding to keep its agreement or lobbying the BBC to cut other shows and services to maintain F1 or lobbying FOM to prevent it making money by selling the rights to races to commercial broadcasters. Making a petition to show the government that F1 is supported well in the UK is... beyond useless.


    (incidentally, you quote the 2009 Sixth Concorde Agreement - which expires in December 2012 - but I've never seen any text of it, only the 1997 Fourth Concorde Agreement. Do you have a source? I'd like to read it)
     
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    I find it very hard to believe the goverment will make it law that F1 has to be on "free to air". They don't care about F1 or motorsport and have always avoided being seen to, especially after the whole tobacco adverstising thing. Motorsport is seen as a rich-sport and therefore people feel it doesn't need government intervention, right or wrongly.

    Its kind of sad that some of the things this country is still quite good at and has a fair bit of industry around, are seen in a negative light by the general public and so the government ignores or falls pray to the stigma. Just as the motorsport industry isn't well supported by the government, neither is our video games industry.
     
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    I have sky sports so it's okay! :)
     
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    According to Paul Hembrey, there was no free-to-air coverage planned for 2012 just a few weeks ago.
     
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    I have only heard, but don't British people have to pay a yearly fee of a certain amount to watch TV? So technically it's not Free to Air. What's stopping the BBC from bumping that price up by a pound or two to keep Free(ish) to Air Formula One?
     
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    Yes, they do have to pay the BBC for a television licence. However, I believe the government has frozen the price of the licences - the BBC cannot raise that fee because they're not allowed to. And even if they could, a) one or two pounds probably wouldn't be enough to offset the cost of Formula 1, and b) that money would probably go towards something else. The BBC doesn't exist solely to show Formula 1.
     
  22. Moot

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    Just a £1 price rise would easily pay for F1.

    £1 would raise an extra £24 million, plus the £18 million they already pay would give them £42m for F1. Estimates of what the contract cost the BBC for f1 were about £40m.
    Sky are only paying £36m for it. So the BBC could easily afford to broadcast 100% of F1 live with £42m.
     
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    No, it'd need to be nearer a £2 price rise with 29.5 million licensable addresses in the UK and the BBC quoting £50m required to show a season of F1. Of course, lest we forget, if the licence fee went up, we'd still be paying the BBC to watch other channels, so it's still a cartel.


    The BBC don't levy the Licence Fee (though through an arm of the BBC called "TV Licensing", they collect it). The fee is set by the government, specifically the Department for Culture, Media and Sport and the licence is required by the Communications Act (2003).
     
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    Its only referred to as "free to air" in the sense that the cost is unavoidable and in relation to satellite or cable services - which require an additional fee on top of the TV license. It isn't really free, its just you don't pay anything additionally.
     
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    BBC don't need £50m, they need £36m along side a deal with another broadcaster. But in any case if they did need £50m, that would require £32m funds, which would mean a just over £1 increase, not near £2 at all.
     
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    £1 increase = <£29.5m increase.
    £2 increase = <£59m increase.

    The required increase for £50m is nearer to £2 than £1. Like I said.
     
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    So could this have been avoided if the tv license hadn't been frozen? Or would they still have given it up?
     
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    If I was a British resident, I would happily stump up an extra £2.
     
  29. F1 fan

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    Me too, and I'm heading back to rainy Scotland this year.
     
  30. Moot

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    They don't need to raise £50m to have a £50m F1 budget, they need to raise £32, they already have £18m per year within the existing budget.
    So like I said, it's about a £1.