[PITS]Project International Touring Series presented by SNAIL SundaysPS4 

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Yep. I've coined 35 as the year I've begun to get older. All minor stuff I've noticed, and you older fellas can laugh at me, but the transition is beginning. Yay! ...
Well, the only alternative to not getting old is worse, so I'm fine with my creaky joints and my old man insomnia.
As long as my eyesight holds, still have hair (even thought it's now more white than brown), and my tenders still get the job done, I'm good to go. When that goes, then we'll see what happens...
 
Thank you for asking, I didn't want to be the first to do it.

Now that you have, come on, preliminary race report, guys!
 
It was a fun night in the high fendered, crappy brake, crappy tired, understeering beastie that is the Lotus Ford. Chadbaseball dominated the night on a controller, wait till he gets used to his wheel. There were 12 of us on that long track, but there were a few good battles. Different pit strategies made the night interesting. I finished the first race with .2 of a gallon left and that was running the last lap VERY slow. Just made it. Didn't matter, I still finished 9th

I hate racing at night with no lights on the track, definite advantage to the young guys with young eyes. I would like it more if the car lighting was brighter to see the corner in front.

in the immortal words of Pink Floyd, " Wish you were here"......... by the way.....which one's Pink.
 
I see Hockenheim Classic is next. That'll be a ton of fun. 👍
Funny you should mention that. I'll be online later today to turn a few laps at the old Teutonic beast.

Thank you the quick recap, @lobbanmike
 
Big turbo, well tuned diff, sticky tyres, impressive 0-100.
That's the gist of it.

Also, lots and lots of spare tyres to do sick burnouts, bruh.
 
Points for the race at spa may be delayed a day or so. We have had issues with OOB in the past so we will be going through the replays and collecting all the OOB incidents. Hopefully there won't be too many. All I can say before this happens is we are good enough drivers here guys either slow down so you stay on track or make your lift after the OOB.
 
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Hammer time and it's about time. Some of us are using OObs as a part of the track..... it's not. The rules are simple and clear. Running with penalties on will solve this problem quickly. We use them in SRM with no issues, except for that 5 second penalty that can really muck up your race, it keeps you honest, saves on arguments and it treats everyone equally.

Hey I like winning races too, but would rather win a race clean than gaining time off the track.
 
The rules are simple and clear. Running with penalties on will solve this problem quickly. We use them in SRM with no issues, except for that 5 second penalty that can really muck up your race, it keeps you honest, saves on arguments and it treats everyone equally.

I think I am in trouble. For some reason I thought we were running with penalties on as we do in SRM. I had the two series confused, my mistake, and any penalties which will be handed out will not be contested. I remember thinking on some turns I sure was lucky not to get a penalty on that one. Dughhhh, no penalties were on. !!

I do know the SNAIL rules, if you go OB, release the gas for a second to eliminate any extra time you may have gained.
 
Points for the race at spa may be delayed a day or so. We have had issues with OOB in the past so we will be going through the replays and collecting all the OOB incidents. Hopefully there won't be too many. All I can say before this happens is we are good enough drivers here guys either slow down so you stay on track or make your lift after the OOB.

Hammer time and it's about time. Some of us are using OObs as a part of the track..... it's not. The rules are simple and clear. Running with penalties on will solve this problem quickly. We use them in SRM with no issues, except for that 5 second penalty that can really muck up your race, it keeps you honest, saves on arguments and it treats everyone equally.

Hey I like winning races too, but would rather win a race clean than gaining time off the track.

I guess I'm the one to blame for having whomever have to go through the replays, it is painfull in PCars. I put in 2 IR's, mainly for OOB and now I feel bad that this has made Z decide to spend a whole bunch of time on it. Z, I would rather you just cancel my IR's, give a general rule review and move on.
We all go OOB, if it's in a spot on the track where it will cause you to lose time, then no big deal, just be cautious when coming back on track. It's when you are battling with someone and they are going OOB and gaining time, then that is what I have issues with. We all know where OOB gain us time and where it loses us time.

I have just made a pact with myself to never file an IR again, even though it is supposed to keep things in check, I just find it causes to much grief. Even though it's never personal, no one likes to be filed on and I always end up feeling bad about it after. Maybe I'm just being a sensitive Canadian, but so be it.
 
I guess I'm the one to blame for having whomever have to go through the replays, it is painfull in PCars. I put in 2 IR's, mainly for OOB and now I feel bad that this has made Z decide to spend a whole bunch of time on it. Z, I would rather you just cancel my IR's, give a general rule review and move on.
We all go OOB, if it's in a spot on the track where it will cause you to lose time, then no big deal, just be cautious when coming back on track. It's when you are battling with someone and they are going OOB and gaining time, then that is what I have issues with. We all know where OOB gain us time and where it loses us time.

I have just made a pact with myself to never file an IR again, even though it is supposed to keep things in check, I just find it causes to much grief. Even though it's never personal, no one likes to be filed on and I always end up feeling bad about it after. Maybe I'm just being a sensitive Canadian, but so be it.
The IRS whether they are valid or not is not the main reason for this. I personally saw it and will admit to it as well. I have talked it over with Alex and we will be running with penalties on from now on or until it causes an issue. This will make it so that OOB IRs will not be needed but still allow for the normal incidents to be reported. You should not feel bad for filing and there should be no hard feelings towards those who file. IRs are meant to be there as a learning tool. If you and everyone else decides no more IRs then how can one learn that they have made a mistake. If you're in the wrong own up to your mistake if not explain why you think you are not and the stewards will take care of it from there. We will only be reviewing one race and may not even penalize for it. We just want to use the IR system that is in place for its intended purpose. Teach everyone where they can improve.
 
I wholeheartedly approve this. OOB are hard to police unless people do it themselves.

On that note, so we're running with penalties on from now on? Is there a gradation on the penalty system? I've never used it.
 
I guess I'm the one to blame for having whomever have to go through the replays, it is painfull in PCars. I put in 2 IR's, mainly for OOB and now I feel bad that this has made Z decide to spend a whole bunch of time on it. Z, I would rather you just cancel my IR's, give a general rule review and move on.
We all go OOB, if it's in a spot on the track where it will cause you to lose time, then no big deal, just be cautious when coming back on track. It's when you are battling with someone and they are going OOB and gaining time, then that is what I have issues with. We all know where OOB gain us time and where it loses us time.

I have just made a pact with myself to never file an IR again, even though it is supposed to keep things in check, I just find it causes to much grief. Even though it's never personal, no one likes to be filed on and I always end up feeling bad about it after. Maybe I'm just being a sensitive Canadian, but so be it.
Unfortunately, replays and I.R. reports/reviews just seem to be so much more difficult in PCars.

I've found the penalty system to be pretty fair. I hate the penalties when you run wide on a corner, and thus would have already lost time, but it doesn't discriminate. Every one gets the same penalties, so fewer mistakes will still result in faster times.
 
Unfortunately, replays and I.R. reports/reviews just seem to be so much more difficult in PCars.

I've found the penalty system to be pretty fair. I hate the penalties when you run wide on a corner, and thus would have already lost time, but it doesn't discriminate. Every one gets the same penalties, so fewer mistakes will still result in faster times.
Can't be crazier than the F1 2016 penalty system. I've gotten three penalties because someone else crashed into me... It's delightful.
 
2 cents:

I've often felt aggravated by people's refusal to use the IR system. It's there to help people develop, but too often it's seen as "tattling". That's rubbish. We are all adults here. Those who fail to accept the difference between business and play in a developmental competitive culture probably should take a moment to evaluate just precisely why they are here.

I hate game initiated penalty systems. They are overkill in my opinion and take away from the sim aspect of league competition. Plus, the OOB limits most likely do not align with the SNAIL standards, thereby making the new acceptable track limits an invisible mark. Not a fan.

Sometimes the hard way is the only way, but that's none of my business...
 
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I've often felt aggravated by people's refusal to use the IR system. It's there to help people develop, but too often it's seen as "tattling". That's rubbish. We are all adults here. Those who fail to accept the difference between business and play in a developmental competitive culture probably should take a moment to evaluate just precisely why they are here.

I hate game initiated penalty systems. They are overkill in my opinion and take away from the sim aspect of league competition. Plus, the OOB limits most likely do not align with the SNAIL standards, thereby making the new acceptable track limits an invisible mark. Not a fan.in

Sometimes the hard way is the only way, but that's none of my business...
While I agree with your theory, this games limitations and " issues" make the hard near impossible some times. That's why you felt the need to discontinue the other series, and understandably so. With this group, the penalty system may just make for more fun, despite the deviation from realism. Like I said, at least it doesn't discriminate.

Not disagreeing with you, just adding to the conversation.

Forgot to mention, SGETI, those pics are bonerific!
 
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@SGETI awesome pictures! I have no clue what the IR system is so I can't express an opinion on that. My only concern with penalties on are if a car goes off a tad and there's guys behind him. An accident could be caused because of this. I guess if you go off you have to make sure you move over and allow guys room. Only spot I may have had an issue with was the top of Eau Rouge and I blipped the throttle if I did to give back the time. The officials in this league are extremely professional so whatever decisions they make for this league I fully respect.
 
To Penalty or Not to Penalty, That is the Question?

As the PITS reporter, I am going to approach both sides of this issue in this article. This past Wednesday's race took place at Spa Francorchamps. Spa poses a few interesting challenges when it comes to discussing the Out Of Bounds issue, OOB. Spa has 3 sections that through shear G-force try to force the car wide off track. These sections are at the top of the hill of Raidillon after Eau Rouge, the high downforce double right hander at Pouhon, and the high speed left hander at Blanchimont. These areas seem to be the most common locations to see drivers repeatedly exceed track limits. But there is another issue that Spa poses in these sections as well. LAP TIME. To obtain a good lap of Spa it is key to nail these sections perfectly. There is almost this double edged sword at play when racing at Spa Francorchamps. To obtain solid lap times the driver will have to allow the car to give in to the G-forces and go slightly wide in these sections, and to not fight it due to the deficit it will cause to the lap time. Now this reporter is by no means condoning shear track cutting, or going off track, coming back on, and hitting someone to defend from a mistake.

With that said, there are usually two schools of thought on how to approach the OOB issue. One, is to keep the game's penalty system disabled and use the honor system. The second, is to utilize the in game penalty system, but that brings its own slew of issues as well. The honor system is what most of us would prefer, including myself. The reason being is it allows drivers to battle and drive hard without fear that if they make a mistake and go wide on one lap, it won't destroy their race with a 5 to 10 second penalty. However, the honor system does come with its own problem, and that is it can be and most likely will be abused by drivers. Let's be honest, we all have abused it to some extent. We all want to win, and we are all driving at the limit to make that happen. Thus, when you are on the limit for 45 minutes odds are some dodgy moves will happen. The other thing about the honor system is, to believe it has anything to do with honor. Yes, most of us will tell on ourselves if we make a repeated infraction or mess up big. However, we are not going to tell on ourselves, if it is a subtle harder to observe infraction. This, does not make us bad cause we don't tell on ourselves, it makes us human. It makes us race car drivers.

The other side of the coin to control OOB incidents is to use Project Car's penalty system. This system is a bit of a mystery on where it will pause a driver and for how long. Thus, this inconsistency can be just as frustrating as a seeing a guy repeatedly go wide at a corner and gaining a tenth or two each lap. The penalty system is designed to punish drivers who put all 4 wheels off track, and could potentially gain a pace advantage from it. If the system is triggered on a driver's car it will shut down throttle for 5 to 10 seconds. The positive side of this system is once triggered it doesn't discriminate. However, there are a few downsides as well. If someone pushes you off at speed, your able to hold the car, and return to track at pace, you will be penalized for 5 to 10 seconds by the game due to all 4 wheels leaving the track and you maintaining speed. Now how does race control handle that situation, a driver has just lost multiple positions for a mistake that they didn't make. If a driver makes a mistake and goes to wide from going to hot into a corner they will get penalized. Not to mention as I stated above some tracks in PCars tries to force the car wide every chance it can, and sometimes it is what is necessary to have a good lap. The last consideration to think about the penalty system is once this has been triggered enough on the same driver they will be DQ'd from the race. This seems harsh especially for drivers who are struggling at that particular track. It forces the affected driver to make a decision, slow down and give up positions and not finish as well as they have to potential to, or keep pushing and risk being DQ'd by PCars. Yes, the system is indiscriminate, and will punish evenly, however, I feel that it will also neuter on track battles and driver personalities.

I felt it was only fair to explore this issue from both sides. Each has its pros and cons, yet neither is really better than the other. Both can cause issues for drivers in the league. Regardless, what ever race control decides, this PITS reporter will continue to be driving as hard and fast as I can.
 
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