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PS4 looks and sounds great but isn't it just a PS3 with a better graphics card and processors?
For examle what's going to be the difference between BF3 and BF4?
Gameplay is going to be much the same right?
Graphics and memory are great features but I don't think gameplay is going to change much.
Driving games can be improved in gameplay but that's about it for me.
Apps downloads of course will improve but is it worth while upgrading for?
 
PS4 looks and sounds great but isn't it just a PS3 with a better graphics card and processors?
For examle what's going to be the difference between BF3 and BF4?
Gameplay is going to be much the same right?
Graphics and memory are great features but I don't think gameplay is going to change much.
Driving games can be improved in gameplay but that's about it for me.
Apps downloads of course will improve but is it worth while upgrading for?

Not really sure what you were expecting. The days of huge generational jumps are behind us.
 
With that much more memory bandwidth and cpu power, I think the devs will be able to add a lot of ai which in theory could change gameplay quite a bit, if they do it right.
 
PS4 looks and sounds great but isn't it just a PS3 with a better graphics card and processors?
For examle what's going to be the difference between BF3 and BF4?
Gameplay is going to be much the same right?
Graphics and memory are great features but I don't think gameplay is going to change much.
Driving games can be improved in gameplay but that's about it for me.
Apps downloads of course will improve but is it worth while upgrading for?
It shouldn't be that costly to upgrade and will represent probably more the gaming experience being quite a bit better. Less frustations, more gaming and less cut backs. This will have also impact on gameplay in a positive direction. May look like a small step but in another way could be one of the biggest steps for console gaming.
 
For next gen I would like Sega GT to make a comeback. It could help sega in many ways and shenmue. If they make a new shenmue in next gen technology that would be epic.
 
Not really sure what you were expecting. The days of huge generational jumps are behind us.

Yes of course.
That's pretty much what I was expecting.
My point really is the PS4 is being hyped to death imo and it all seems 1 big marketing stunt.
It just seems so gimmicky an upgrade.
Don't get me wrong I'm all for new technology and innovation and still seriously consider getting a PS4.
Another thing how much would it cost for the equivalent gaming PC?
 
It shouldn't be that costly to upgrade and will represent probably more the gaming experience being quite a bit better. Less frustations, more gaming and less cut backs. This will have also impact on gameplay in a positive direction. May look like a small step but in another way could be one of the biggest steps for console gaming.

Good point.
The PS3 is great most of the time for me but can be really frustrating too:browser,streaming,load times etc.
 
PS4 looks and sounds great but isn't it just a PS3 with a better graphics card and processors?
For examle what's going to be the difference between BF3 and BF4?
Gameplay is going to be much the same right?
Graphics and memory are great features but I don't think gameplay is going to change much.
Driving games can be improved in gameplay but that's about it for me.
Apps downloads of course will improve but is it worth while upgrading for?

I see nothing wrong with that. I would't call it an upgrade. Its going to have a new UI and tons of new features and capabilities not possible on PS3. Its like a whole new car and not the same car with a new engine.
 
I see nothing wrong with that. I would't call it an upgrade. Its going to have a new UI and tons of new features and capabilities not possible on PS3. Its like a whole new car and not the same car with a new engine.

Tons of features like what?
Gaiki,better camera,control your friends game,that's all I can think of that's unique to PS4 bar raw processing power.
 
Tons of features like what?
Gaiki,better camera,control your friends game,that's all I can think of that's unique to PS4 bar raw processing power.

I have the same issues like you ,will have to wait and see though,Developers always impress
 
Tons of features like what?
Gaiki,better camera,control your friends game,that's all I can think of that's unique to PS4 bar raw processing power.

You missed the biggest ones that are hardware related. The recording and uploading of gameplay or the last 10 minutes. Background downloading and updating, gameplay state saving, playing a game as it downloads. These are just what we know and more should be revealed. I am already interested in PS4 but will wait till 2014 to get one.
 
Another thing how much would it cost for the equivalent gaming PC?
Equivalent spec PC would be a mid level PC when PS4 is released. The thing is PCs have to run huge operating systems in the background and PC games are not as optimized as a console, they cannot be nearly as optimized.

I think on the "mid level" PC that is a PS4 (except for the 8gb GDDR5), the games will rival today's high end PCs in term of gfx, maybe even a little more because they can be so highly optimized for the system.. Plus most of today's PC games are console ports from consoles with 7 year old technology that hamper the games in many ways, so today's PC games on high end PC's aren't what they could be either. That is why a console with much more under the hood will be such a good thing for video games in general, for next gen consoles games and next gen PC games.
 
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Plus most of today's PC games are console ports from consoles with 7 year old technology that hamper the games in many ways, so today's PC games on high end PC's aren't what they could be either. That is why a console with much more under the hood will be such a good thing for video games in general, for next gen consoles games and next gen PC games.

I agree except for the PC games being "hampered" There is a low end of PC gaming and the games have to work on many systems . High end gaming is and always will be an option because of the low end and not just consoles. Even when PS4 is released multiplatform games will still need to run on low end PC's and no game will require more than 1GB of video ram just to run on low anytime soon.
 
I agree except for the PC games being "hampered" There is a low end of PC gaming and the games have to work on many systems . High end gaming is and always will be an option because of the low end and not just consoles. Even when PS4 is released multiplatform games will still need to run on low end PC's and no game will require more than 1GB of video ram just to run on low anytime soon.

I think Crysis 3 requires at least 1GB, it definitely requires DX11 as a minimum. And while I get what you're saying, developers do have to drop support for old hardware and OSes eventually... The beginning of a new console cycle is probably all the encouragement they need. I reckon by the end of 2014 we won't see any big new games that support DX9/10, I think DX11 will be the new minimum by then, just because the consoles will be at that level. I mean, as much as it sucks, you have to upgrade to keep up eventually.
 
I agree except for the PC games being "hampered" There is a low end of PC gaming and the games have to work on many systems . High end gaming is and always will be an option because of the low end and not just consoles. Even when PS4 is released multiplatform games will still need to run on low end PC's and no game will require more than 1GB of video ram just to run on low anytime soon.
I see what you're saying, but I think the big ticket games- example Far Cry 3, that are also developed for consoles, need to have certain limitations that otherwise would not be there on the PC port. Things in the game world that cannot be changed because they directly involve the story in the game, and graphic and artistic decisions that need to be "dumbed down" to be able to run on old hardware, those things sometimes carry over to the PC port.

I guess yes, that only applies to high level games. I mean simple games will run on anything.

Another argument could be made that such huge games would not exist at all if not for consoles and the sales they generate, so it is kind of a catch-22 anyways. But I think in general, my high end gaming PC could do more if games didn't have to also be able to be scaled down to also run on very old hardware as well.

The catch 22 I mentioned will not be such a bad thing if the console is much more powerful and up to date though.. I think a powerful/ updated console market will help developers make bigger, better and more complex games for the PC in the future.
 
Yes of course.
That's pretty much what I was expecting.
My point really is the PS4 is being hyped to death imo and it all seems 1 big marketing stunt.
It just seems so gimmicky an upgrade.
Don't get me wrong I'm all for new technology and innovation and still seriously consider getting a PS4.
Another thing how much would it cost for the equivalent gaming PC?

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Just blows my mind after 7 years come this Holiday season people are somehow still happy with the lousy dinosaur that is the PS3. Should we just game on the PS3 for another 5 years then? Or did you want another 599 US dollars Playstation to get that great "leap" in graphics? Not sure Im seeing any gimmicks in the proposed PS4 upgrade.

An equivalent gaming PC will set you back at least $800. And you'll only get 2GBs of GDDR5, not the 8GBs stuffed in the PS4. And keep in mind having equivalent specs to a console on a gaming PC doesnt guarantee you'll have the same visual quality as a console with your games. Consoles are closed platforms with custom parts that developers can focus on to extract more power out of. You'd probably have to spend closer to 1000 to equal a PS4, and even then theres no guarantee you'll be able to play games as good looking as PS4 exclusives like Gran Turismo or Uncharted which have really talented teams working on them.
 
Sony UK teased this.

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Sony UK teased this.

No idea what that thing is but I'm interested!

I'd quite like a funky design PS4 tbh, yes not everybody would and people would still buy the tradition 'box' design but with more and more people having there console in the front room instead of the bedroom if they did a more modern style to fit in with that I reckon it would do quite well.
 
I think that's got to be a game teaser, doesn't fit in with Sony's current angular design language at all. Looks like something from that 'Knack' game.
 
@earth.
Graphics are not everything,it seems you are easily pleased by eye candy gimmicks.
Gameplay is my point,I just don't see that much outstanding about the PS4,sure graphics help,memory etc but core gameplay won't be all that much different or much better.
Gaiki is something that appeals to me though and hopefully they'll stream PS3 games aswell without having to pay(if you already have them on disc)but that seams like wishful thinking.
Thanks for info on equivalent gaming PC an eye opener.
 
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Just blows my mind after 7 years come this Holiday season people are somehow still happy with the lousy dinosaur that is the PS3. Should we just game on the PS3 for another 5 years then? Or did you want another 599 US dollars Playstation to get that great "leap" in graphics? Not sure Im seeing any gimmicks in the proposed PS4 upgrade.

An equivalent gaming PC will set you back at least $800. And you'll only get 2GBs of GDDR5, not the 8GBs stuffed in the PS4. And keep in mind having equivalent specs to a console on a gaming PC doesnt guarantee you'll have the same visual quality as a console with your games. Consoles are closed platforms with custom parts that developers can focus on to extract more power out of. You'd probably have to spend closer to 1000 to equal a PS4, and even then theres no guarantee you'll be able to play games as good looking as PS4 exclusives like Gran Turismo or Uncharted which have really talented teams working on them.

Ah not this again. It will not cost $800 and you talk like the 8GB GDDR5 is only for the GPU. Yes a gaming GPU will only have 2-3GB of dedicated RAM but there will be another 8GB of system RAM. I doubt the PS4 GPU will be using more than 3GB of the unified memory.
 
games as good looking as PS4 exclusives like Gran Turismo or Uncharted which have really talented teams working on them.
Weren't you totally annyoed by all the sequels and rehashes?

Ah, sorry, the ones that annoyed you weren't PlayStation exclusives. My bad.
 
@earth.
Graphics are not everything,it seems you are easily pleased by eye candy gimmicks.
Gameplay is my point,I just don't see that much outstanding about the PS4,sure graphics help,memory etc but core gameplay won't be all that much different or much better.
Gaiki is something that appeals to me though and hopefully they'll stream PS3 games aswell without having to pay(if you already have them on disc)but that seams like wishful thinking.
Thanks for info on equivalent gaming PC an eye opener.

Easily pleased by eye candy gimmicks? Nope. The most interesting game at the Playstation Meeting was in my opinion far and away the Media Molecule "Puppet" game. Obviously it was the least impressive graphically of all titles shown.

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Why are we even having this conversation? Graphics DO matter. If it was all about gameplay we should have stayed with the PS1 or PS2. Do you PS3 lovers realize the PS1 and PS2 had just as good if not (imo) better games then the PS3 overall? Yet you're addicted to the PS3. Perhaps you believe the PS3 has reached a level of graphics that are "good enough". Maybe in your opinion. But for many, including myself, there is no such thing as "good enough". I will always support advancements as long as they arent rushed and offer a proper value for price they are asking. PS4 is not rushed, in fact its long overdue.

Question: When did you buy your PS3? Its my belief most people who are resisting the PS4 purchased a PS3 in the last couple of years. For those of us like me, who had a PS3 since launch, the turnover cant come soon enough.

Lets see. 24 player Battlefield 3 maps on consoles compared to 64 players on PC. I'd say that hurts gameplay. Many PC racers have way more then 16 cars on track, and you can run them with older hardware. How about the thermometer issues in Little Big Planet's create mode? Some people fill half the thermometer after creating a single object. This is due to the PS3's limited memory. With 8GBs of GDDR5, Little Big Planet 3's thermometer should be much, much less restrictive and allow for better gameplay.

So more power does indeed help gameplay. Keeping the old consoles around for much longer will pretty much ruin the game industry. Gamers need a breath of fresh air. The games shown at the PS Meeting will look like crap compared to PS4 games 2-3 years down the line. Remember this is how PS3 shooters looked at launch.

Ah not this again. It will not cost $800 and you talk like the 8GB GDDR5 is only for the GPU. Yes a gaming GPU will only have 2-3GB of dedicated RAM but there will be another 8GB of system RAM. I doubt the PS4 GPU will be using more than 3GB of the unified memory.

Rumors say the most recent PS4 dev kits had 3.5GBs for game memory with only 512mbs (.5GB) reserved for for other tasks. I see little reason why the PS4 wont have 5-6GBs reserved for games. We could argue over numbers all day. In the end it doesnt really matter. You'd be a fool to build any "gaming" PC under $800

Weren't you totally annyoed by all the sequels and rehashes?

Ah, sorry, the ones that annoyed you weren't PlayStation exclusives. My bad.

Sports games, racing games, etc I dont care if there is a million of them made. Actually I've never been a fan of the Uncharted Series. I do not want to see a 4th game, I'd rather them do something new, but many people do so I used the reference. IMO games based on stories (Metal Gear, God of War, and whatever else, should die after the 3rd game, sometimes even the 2nd game. They're only kept alive for so long because they sale, and devs arent willing to move on past something that sells. I have to give it to David Cage for refusing to make all that Heavy Rain DLC because he wanted to move on to something else. Can you imagine instead of Beyond Two Souls we could be getting Heavy Rain 2 this holiday season? Thats why all these sequels should really die, b ut they wont as long as they sale or theres a rare gem like David Cage
 
Rumors say the most recent PS4 dev kits had 3.5GBs for game memory with only 512mbs (.5GB) reserved for for other tasks. I see little reason why the PS4 wont have 5-6GBs reserved for games. We could argue over numbers all day. In the end it doesnt really matter. You'd be a fool to build any "gaming" PC under $800

Yes but not RAM used purely for GRAPHICS, which is all the RAM on a PC GPU is used for. Everything else uses the system memory. 3.5GB may have been dedicated to games but there is no way it would all be used for graphics, 1080p games simply wouldn't need that much and there is no way the rest of the game could survive on 512Mb of system RAM.

As for "being a fool" to build an $800 haven't people already told you that you're wrong about that in other threads? Plus that wasn't your original point anyway, you said you'd have to spend $800 to get a PC equivelent to the PS4. You wouldn't, as I say it's been explained to you in other thread already.
 
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