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You have to remember that RAM is just space for data. The GPU and CPU have to be able to work and render it. A PS3/360 or 5770 graphics card won't gain power if you put 16gb of unified ram or 16gb of video memory on there, neither would a GTX Titan.

All ram needs to be is fast enough and have the space for what the GPU can render. Any more would be a waste of money and any less would be a travesty.

PC games are made in 32bit, for the system side, this means 2GB of system ram. You can hack some games to be Large address aware for more than 2gb but this is not done often.

The average high end PC game will use 1-1.5gb of system ram and 2gb of video ram. Consoles like the PS4 and One have the memory unified into one and reports suggest a pool of ram for devs of around 5-6gb. Crysis 3 on ultra uses at 1080p uses 3.3gb ram in total across the system and graphics card.

Seems to me they have enough for the system power as well as running other programs in the background like skype, game recording.

As for the wanting of better specs, yes it would be great but Mark Cerny said recently about the PS4 is that the power consumption is less at launch than the PS3 at launch.

PS3 and 360 went for higher spec, higher power consumption parts than PS4/One at the time in 2005/06 but weren't up to cooling these long term, the BGA on the chips would crack, hence the RROD YLOD for many early systems.

Both systems cut the power consumption down by around a 100w which leads to more reliable and quieter machines. Seems they don't want to go down that road again.
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Well, in that case, I could also live with 8GB RAM and instead improving the CPU/GPU etc even more ;)
As for reliability, I'd say that it should be still possible to create a stable system with higher specs by using quality components, enough fans, external power unit and maybe a bigger shell.

Anyway, not gonna happen obviously, so whatever.
Maybe it'll be different at home in front of my TV, but on Gamescom I just wasn't that blown away by the technical aspect of nextgen. That was to expect and some games looked really nice, but, yeah, I felt the need for more horsepower. To be honest, most of the time the games felt like really beautiful current-gen games, I guess 1080P60 and some particle/lighting effects are just not enough to impress.
Then again many games i watched/played were multiplatform games with engines that also run on current gen, so there is more to expect in future.
Still, I'm thinking of 2016-2020. Will the power be enough to still satisfy then? I'm afraid it won't...
 
The silver electronics era in the early 2000's was horrid. Now my house is a mish mash of Black (80's-90's) and Silver (00's-05) and now Black again. You can never go wrong with black just like a black dress.
 
Max_DC
Still, I'm thinking of 2016-2020. Will the power be enough to still satisfy then? I'm afraid it won't...
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You're expecting too much from a console. People still buy console games in their millions despite the positively ancient (in tech years) hardware so it's obviously still a profitable cycle model for the manufacturers, so it's not going to change. The consoles are cheap, reliable enough, don't need any configuration besides the regular updates, will definitely run any game released for that platform and will definitely work with any licensed peripheral. The trade off is that you can't upgrade their performance (this is an absolute necessity if you're going to guarantee that all games will work on all consoles of that type) until the next model is out close to a decade later. Apple computers are the same and they do very well (he says, watching his girlfriend battle with a dying 2006 MacBook!).

Of course in this generation, cloud gaming could be a thing towards the end of the cycle. Also, improvements in graphics are slowing almost exponentially compared to the last thirty years, so the gap between PS4 vs. PC graphics at launch and PS4 vs. PC graphics when the PS5 is announced will be less dramatic than the gap between PS3 vs. PC graphics at launch and PS3 vs. PC graphics now. Of course there is the fact that the PS4 is less powerful than a good gaming PC already whereas the PS3 was more powerful, but that didn't count for much when it came to actually utilising the hardware. I think developers will be able to use so much more of the PS4's capability from the start than they could with the PS3 and optimisations from there will only improve things.

But in short, I think there are a great number of PS3 games that hide its comparative limitations and look extremely impressive when you remember that the hardware is from 2005/6. I think the PS4 will be no different and indeed, if cloud gaming is viable in 2020 there will be absolutely no discernible difference between the two platforms (beyond some latency) anyway. Most people know I'm a PC gamer these days but I'm still very excited about the PS4 and can't wait to get my hands on one, even if only for MGS V and some exclusives!
 
Severely torn right now. I want the Xbox One but the PS4 looks great. One thing I want is a completely new online ecosystem to explore. I feel too familiar with the OS/online architecture Microsoft has presented. I kind of ignored Sony with the PS3 and stopped playing it after being tired of GT5. For a while I just stopped playing my 360 in exchange for the fresh and rejuvenating operating system/online ecosystem.

I'm really getting hyped for next gen.

Decisions. Decisions.
 
I really hope they bundle PS vita with PS4 sometime later. Not getting PS4 anytime soon so that would be really sweet. I like everything about PS4. Live PS is for watching friends play and text, join the game only or can we watch anyone and join their game ?
 
neema_t
You're expecting too much from a console. People still buy console games in their millions despite the positively ancient (in tech years) hardware so it's obviously still a profitable cycle model for the manufacturers, so it's not going to change.
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I think people are worried about their current consoles being too inferior to the next gen consoles. I also think that most of the worrying is coming from the major leap from PS2/Xbox/Gamecube to PS3/Xbox 360/Wii. It will not be that noticeable for a while, and that was why I was okay with sticking with my Xbox 360 and my PS3 (Now yellow bricked). People seem to have forgotten about the companies still supporting the previous online lives of the current gen consoles and the overall life.

The Xbox 360 and PS3 will still be out there but it will be slightly less pronounced. They are both great in the entertainment system. (I'd rather have the PS3 in my entertainment system. Reasons why? Blu-Ray, Free online, no videostreaming paywall, no internet paywall).

Also, is Planetside 2 behind a paywall on the PS4?
 
Max_DC
Well, in that case, I could also live with 8GB RAM and instead improving the CPU/GPU etc even more ;)
As for reliability, I'd say that it should be still possible to create a stable system with higher specs by using quality components, enough fans, external power unit and maybe a bigger shell.

Anyway, not gonna happen obviously, so whatever.
Maybe it'll be different at home in front of my TV, but on Gamescom I just wasn't that blown away by the technical aspect of nextgen. That was to expect and some games looked really nice, but, yeah, I felt the need for more horsepower. To be honest, most of the time the games felt like really beautiful current-gen games, I guess 1080P60 and some particle/lighting effects are just not enough to impress.
Then again many games i watched/played were multiplatform games with engines that also run on current gen, so there is more to expect in future.
Still, I'm thinking of 2016-2020. Will the power be enough to still satisfy then? I'm afraid it won't...
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Yeah the leap isn't great. Thing is adding a 7950 level GPU for example wouldn't give a big leap either.

While on paper a 7790/7850 for PS4/One are many times better than PS3/360 spec, the cost of improving things substantially in the graphics are still out of reach for the GPUs we have. Also improvements that do come will have to be added to game engines that take a long time to modify/rewrite.
 
A final attempt to get some to buy a PS3... Though I must admit, it looks really good in that blue!
 
Kid Saving for PS4 is Robbed at His Lemonade Stand—by a BB Gun

Mark Cerny: “The PlayStation 4 will recapture gaming's glory days”

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A kid being robbed at a Lemonade Stand. I know the world has gone to hell, but this is just ridiculous.
 
so anyone know where one might find and preorder a day one ps4? or at least a this year ps4. I have came late to the party i know, but surly someone somewhere might have just one console left? I have checked all my local retailers here in Australia, but to no avail. :(
 
Momoniu
so anyone know where one might find and preorder a day one ps4? or at least a this year ps4. I have came late to the party i know, but surly someone somewhere might have just one console left? I have checked all my local retailers here in Australia, but to no avail. :(
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Target or Harvey Norman. Don't like your chances though. You may have to shop at Bigw or Kmart on day 1.
 
Yeah, I am not sure if I will get it day 1, but if I do I will just go to Big W or Kmart. I am sure one of the stores will have some (limited) stock.
 
Target stores now have preorder cards, and still have online preorders at Target.com. Free shipping for Red Card (credit or debit) users.
 
I'm sorry to ask, but is there any difference between a "Day 1" PS4 and a "regular" one, soft- and hardware-wise?
 
Dean J
I'm sorry to ask, but is there any difference between a "Day 1" PS4 and a "regular" one, soft- and hardware-wise?
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Bragging rights. Seriously though, theres no differences to Day 1 PS4 than there is to a day 365 PS4.
 
I noticed some recent posts about the PS4's power.

My opinion is Sony gave the PS4 just enough power. For starters you have people saying some PS4 games look like they're possible on PS3. Of course they arent, but thats why Sony probably didnt bother to add more expensive tech to the system. Most casuals were not going to recognize the difference if Sony jacked the price of the console up another $100 and added 4GBs of Ram to 12GB, and a stronger CPU and GPU. They cant even see the difference between PS3 and PS4 now and PS4 is 10x stronger then PS3. Making the PS4 $100 more expensive so its 14 -15 times stronger then PS3 probably wasnt going to be that noticeable to the casuals anway

What Sony did was smart. Give enough power to improve the systems graphics considerably, but not so much where it bloats the price like the PS3. Features like sharing gameplay video, live streaming, numerous programs running in the background that can be accessed instantly, gameplay resume, etc are what makes the PS4 'next gen' just as much as better graphics.
 
My problem with PS4 is i have no trouble getting game console it's already pre-ordered.

But which game pick to play? Since it's confirmed that either Ridge Racer and Wipeout are no more.

Rime is one title i really looking forward to. Looks like Journey but more complex. But not during launch day.

Full list to me looks pore as i open Youtube and copied title, paste in search adding PS4. Turns out first games are going to be not that spectacular. Only choice not wasting my money would be either Driveclub but still big risk here. Or Infamous Second Son.

Now Killzone, Battlefield, Callduty are well great but i'm not interested in co-op shooting. Every ps4 owner should find game best suit's he's needs. I'm still looking. :ouch:

Exclusives in Box:
Killzone: Shadow Fall
DriveClub
Knack

Exclusive Digital:
Basement Crawl
Resogun

Normal Boxed Games:
Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
NBA 2K14
Skylanders: Swap Force
Need for Speed: Rivals
Battlefield 4
Call of Duty: Ghosts
Madden NFL 25
FIFA 14
NBA Live 14
Watch Dogs
Just Dance 2014
LEGO Marvel Super Heroes

Digital release:
Pool Nation Extreme
Contrast
Warframe
The Pinball Arcade
War Thunder
Flower
Doki Doki Universe
Hohokum
Tiny Brains
Super Motherload
Blacklight: Retribution
N++
Minecraft
DC Universe Online
PlanetSide 2
CounterSpy
 
ussr
My problem with PS4 is i have no trouble getting game console it's already pre-ordered.

But which game pick to play? Since it's confirmed that either Ridge Racer and Wipeout are no more.

Rime is one title i really looking forward to. Looks like Journey but more complex. But not during launch day.

Full list to me looks pore as i open Youtube and copied title, paste in search adding PS4. Turns out first games are going to be not that spectacular. Only choice not wasting my money would be either Driveclub but still big risk here. Or Infamous Second Son.

Now Killzone, Battlefield, Callduty are well great but i'm not interested in co-op shooting. Every ps4 owner should find game best suit's he's needs. I'm still looking. :ouch:

Exclusives in Box:
Killzone: Shadow Fall
DriveClub
Knack

Exclusive Digital:
Basement Crawl
Resogun

Normal Boxed Games:
Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
NBA 2K14
Skylanders: Swap Force
Need for Speed: Rivals
Battlefield 4
Call of Duty: Ghosts
Madden NFL 25
FIFA 14
NBA Live 14
Watch Dogs
Just Dance 2014
LEGO Marvel Super Heroes

Digital release:
Pool Nation Extreme
Contrast
Warframe
The Pinball Arcade
War Thunder
Flower
Doki Doki Universe
Hohokum
Tiny Brains
Super Motherload
Blacklight: Retribution
N++
Minecraft
DC Universe Online
PlanetSide 2
CounterSpy
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For starters, PS4 is going to be a much better gaming experience then PS3. To me alone thats worth the purchase. For example, not only will I get to play Madden 25 with much better graphics then the PS3 version, I'll also be able to upload gameplay clips or watch streaming video of others playing the game. I'll be able to listen to any music on the HDD while playing a game without worrying about a title supporting it. Games like Battlefield 4 will have way more units on the map then the PS3 version. So instantly my entire gaming experience will be upgraded.

I cant wait to put my PS3 into permanent retirement. Knack, Shadowfall, and Driveclub may not be the greatest games, but they're not available for the PS3
 
Dean J
I'm sorry to ask, but is there any difference between a "Day 1" PS4 and a "regular" one, soft- and hardware-wise?
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I know on Amazon, if you order the day 1 PS4 you are guaranteed to receive it on the release date. A regular PS4 is not guaranteed to arrive on release.
 
So it's not like the day 1 xb1 where it has special colors or whatever they are offering with that promotion.
 
I wonder if that means the PS4 is always in a higher power state, or if that is something you can turn off to get it to draw less power when not in use (as you could with the PS3 and Remote Play).
 
Earth
I cant wait to put my PS3 into permanent retirement. Knack, Shadowfall, and Driveclub may not be the greatest games, but they're not available for the PS3
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Permanent retire? Isn't it to soon?

  • GTA5,
  • GT6,
  • Diablo 3,
  • Assassin Creed 4,
  • Beyond Two Souls,
  • WRC 4,
  • Resident Evil 7
  • Tomb Raider adventure continues

and many more coming to PS3, sony is not going to abandon this current game console for long time. Now i know PS4 is going to be better, but as i watch this list i cannot see a single title that could sell me PS4 despite the fact I've already make pre order.

Today i fear i would just buy PS4 without any game to play, i take it to my apartment and then connect to Internet, pay for PS+ and search there for some interesting games. Terrifying idea. Ill put all my hopes in Infamous Second Son.
 
Wonder how much power the PS4 uses during sleep mode (If any).If it uses very little to none guess there would be no reason to shut it down.
 

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