Playstation 4

[jjaisli]

You are not getting the big picture. HDMI is not the Standard for video devices. I never said HDMI isnt on every new TV. There are NEW DVD players out there without HDMI. The Wii has no HDMI port.

"New" DVD players? The Wii? I think we're talking about apples and oranges. The basis of my post was from the perspective of the PS4. A theoretical device which more than likely won't show itself for another 3 years. And it's a device which, upon it's introduction, will be expected to have a long shelf life and will be designed with future technologies in mind. Despite your continued insistence, HDMI is NOT a future standard. It's a current standard. Just because a specific DVD player or a nearly 6 year old game console doesn't support HDMI is not a legitimate reason to consider HDMI a standard or not.

Look, I'm not advocating or suggesting Sony do one or the other. I'm stating my opinion of what I suspect will happen. Not what I want or hope will happen. You make a good point about the audio connections and I hadn't thought about that. But my point is, IF the PS4 is HD only, I suspect that it may be limited to an HDMI connection. Simply because very few TVs don't have HDMI connections. At least during the course of the PS4's shelf life. Not JUST it's introduction but during it's entire shelf life.

Having audio out ports would make sense. Having multiport out would lead the way to SD connections and that could potentially cause complications.

Sony used the PS3 as a technology showcase. Totally the opposite of what Nintendo did with the Wii. At the time of it's introduction, the world wasn't ready for an HD only machine. It still isn't. But it will be darned close to it in another 2-3 years.

If Microsoft or Sony advertised an HDMI only device that could be millions of lost sales even in 2013/14.

And Sony would be just too eager to sell them all HD TVs. Big companies think like this. I can imagine all the great coupon deals in the box.

Gameplay and affordability (which came at the cost of HD). Gaming can be a business and popular success without ever using HD. In fact, it can be the largest success story in the industry, so far, without it.

And more movies were sold on VHS cassettes in 2000 than at any time in the format's history, just as DVDs were still a new and emerging technology. By 2006, most studios stopped producing movies on VHS all together. I get your point, but I still think the Wii is the last big NON HD hurrah.

Again, it would be a different story if new consoles were on the way THIS fall.

 

[Earth]

Like me, I'm sure anyone who has a Wii and a 1080p HDTV with a PS3 will hate Nintendo for making fabulous games like Super Mario Galaxy 2 in 480p.....with component cables I could bare it but with anything less I had to turn it off. Thats what forced me to buy component cables.

As for people who think the PC should handle most multi media stuff instead of the PS3...I disagree.

I now only turn on the PC for very PC specific stuff like the GTP chat room or photoshop. For casual internet browsing Im using the PS3 more and more often. With I'm sure a much improved browser for the PS4 my PC will get even less time

Personally I dont want to see the PS4 until Fall 2013

 

[LaBounti]

Actually - I have to disagree with you here - I played GTA4 on my SD before I got a HDTV... and I could barely see the radar in the bottom corner... R* didn't really optimise the UI for GTA4 - and I'm pretty sure that RedDead is probably exactly the same...

C.

You are saying you disagree with my brother not missing a beat enjoying his games as they are? He finshed GTA on a SDTV, never complained about the radar.

New" DVD players? The Wii? I think we're talking about apples and oranges. The basis of my post was from the perspective of the PS4. A theoretical device which more than likely won't show itself for another 3 years.

We are not talking about in 3 years, you said HDMI is a standard today, for 4 years even, but devices are selling without HDMI today in the millions. It is on new TV's, but not all video devices.

Having audio out ports would make sense. Having multiport out would lead the way to SD connections and that could potentially cause complications.

Ditch the multiout but add some audio port? Have you forgotten the multi output supports HD. Perhaps they should go optical audio only too then huh? What are the other possible complications of including it besides taking away options and choices.

 

[jjaisli]

We are not talking about in 3 years, you said HDMI is a standard today, for 4 years even, but devices are selling without HDMI today in the millions. It is on new TV's, but not all video devices.

It *IS* a standard today. The reason I said 3 years is two-fold. One, because that's when I would guess the PS4 will be on store shelves. And two because there's a difference between saying something is a standard today and whether it has enough market penetration that you no longer support legacy connections. As of today there are simply not enough (Edit: HDMI equipped) TVs out there to drop the multiport. And if the PS4 were out today, it would be a mistake. But since 99% of the HD TVs being sold today (and for the last few years) not only include HDMI but are pushing this as the connection of choice (let's face it, it is for various reasons), in a few years from now, it probably will be. FWIW, A DVD player (are people still even buying them?) and the Wii are NOT devices which support HD. So in a way, it makes sense that they don't have an HDMI connection.

Ditch the multiout but add some audio port? Have you forgotten the multi output supports HD. Perhaps they should go optical audio only too then huh? What are the other possible complications of including it besides taking away options and choices.

Again, you seem to think that I have some sort of agenda here. I don't. Perhaps I would even describe myself as cynical. I'm not advocating Sony do any of these things. But if Sony feels there is sufficient proliferation in the market, it's a possibility. They're not stupid. The way the economy is going, I'm sure the adoption rate is slowing. (although this is probably also why the big 3 have delayed their plans for new consoles. It also gives THEM time to re-evaluate things). Sony will do whatever they think will earn or save them money. If they calculate that they can save X$ by not including multiport and earn X$ amount by having the 10% of the potential PS4 market that doesn't have an HDMI equipped TV buy a new HD TV and 6% of those buy Sony TVs vs marketing studies in another year or two to determine how many people would or wouldn't buy a PS4 with other connections, will determine what they do. Big companies who produce electronics have a keen interest in keeping you buying their products. There is also very likely some pressure from game manufacturers to actually DROP SD support. Think of the money, time and resources they save by not having to develop SD & HD settings. Or for that matter, PAL & NTSC versions. So it's also in their interest and I'm sure Sony takes that into consideration.

There's a certain point at which Sony will say, for the XX% of people who don't have an HD TV, it's not worth the effort to create a new console that supports SD. And there's a certain point at which Sony will say, the majority of people have HD TVs. The majority of those TVs have HDMI connections. Many of our potential PS4 customers who don't WILL buy HD TVs in the next 2-3 years. It's not worth the effort, time, expense/cost to include other legacy connections. I don't know what that % is. I guess the greater question is, what % of HD TVs in use, don't have HDMI connections. I can't find any stats on that. (Although I'm sure Sony R&D has a good idea). But I bet it's a very small percentage. And those people can buy adapters.

I have to admit, I actually use the optical audio connections myself but there is no way, even in 3-4 years, you could reasonably expect Sony to offer digital optical as the only audio out connection. Perhaps if EVERY single person who purchased a TV in the last 5 years also purchased a 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound system and >90% of those surround sound systems supported optical audio and the entire music industry was behind it and pushing optical audio connections and already today, > 50% of households used it...then yes, like HDMI, you could perhaps make a case for it in another
2-3 years. But since optical audio isn't a 'standard' (), nor does it have anywhere near this kind of market penetration, this wont happen.

 

[Famine]

But since 99% of the HD TVs being sold today (and for the last few years) not only include one but are pushing this as the connection of choice (let's face it, it is for various reasons), in a few years from now, it probably will be.

Important question - how many HDTVs are sold today with only an HDMI connector?

If the display devices accept multiple inputs, why are we so keen to see the players having only one output?

 

[jjaisli]

I really don't know but few, if any, I would guess. I can tell you, the TV I purchased 6 years ago had 1xHDMI and 2xcomponent. The TV I purchased 4 years ago had 2xHDMI and 2xcomponent. The TV I purchased a few months ago had 1xcomponent and 4xHDMI. It's pretty clear the direction things are going and component is slowly being phased out. It wouldn't surprise me to see HDMI only TVs at around the same time the PS4 is released. (At least from Sony )

There are obvious benefits of having a fully digital connection between the source and display. And the fact that HDMI enabled devices can 'talk' to each other is an area which has not yet been fully exploited. But I suspect the real reason is pressure from studios. The industry is paranoid about piracy. And perhaps rightfully so. And many manufacturers have agreements in place as to what sort of devices they can and can't send that data (signal) and how.

 

[LaBounti]

As of today there are simply not enough (Edit: HDMI equipped) TVs out there to drop the multiport. And if the PS4 were out today, it would be a mistake. But since 99% of the HD TVs being sold today (and for the last few years) not only include HDMI but are pushing this as the connection of choice (let's face it, it is for various reasons), in a few years from now, it probably will be. FWIW, A DVD player (are people still even buying them?) and the Wii are NOT devices which support HD. So in a way, it makes sense that they don't have an HDMI connection.

It may shock you but yes people still buy DVD players. An included HDMI cable will cost more than removing the port. What if its an even trade off(not likely)? Is it worth it to force HDMI on to would be buyers. The old Xbox 360 shipped with an HDMI cable but it proved too costly and they dropped the cable. It would not be financially worth the cost just to force HDMI on its buyers.

As for audio how would that work without the port? Add two RCA out ports on the back, then include the cables? What do you think is the cost difference? Now thats two cables they have to include Taking one port away to add 2 more. It's certainly less practical and they are not going to remove a proprietary feature that could generate some income. Microsoft sure wont do that, Nintendo wont and Sony won't. The Xbox 360 has an HDMI audio adapter with an msrp of $30 if you want direct connection to a speaker system. You are stuck with TV audio or will need some fancy home fix to get that. PS3 uses, guess what, the multi output at no extra charge to get the same effect, the 360 slim I think uses the standard port for audio now but the cables from MS are $40. Bottom line is the port has multiple functions hence the name and for the 4th time there is no positive reason not to have it.

 

[Famine]

I really don't know but few, if any, I would guess. I can tell you, the TV I purchased 6 years ago had 1xHDMI and 2xcomponent. The TV I purchased 4 years ago had 2xHDMI and 2xcomponent. The TV I purchased a few months ago had 1xcomponent and 4xHDMI. It's pretty clear the direction things are going and component is slowly being phased out.

Not really - you bought the TVs that suited your needs.

The TV I bought a few months ago has 1 component, 1 composite, 2 SCART, 2 HDMI, 1 coaxial, 1 VGA, 1 DVI, 1 audio line in, 1 optical audio out and 1 S-Video port. A TV I bought 3 years previously had composite, VGA and coax only. I can't use the two as examples of the proliferation of SCART and PC inputs or the longevity of coaxial.


The majority of UK broadcast television is, currently, analogue, SD and aerial-received. This means that the majority of UK-market televisions have coaxial inputs - or they wouldn't sell. A smaller proportion is digital, SD and aerial-received. The convertor boxes are typically coaxial-in and SCART-out, so many UK-market televisions also have SCART inputs. A smaller proportion still is digital, SD and satellite-received or digital, SD and cable-received. The decoders are also coaxial-type LNB input and SCART output. Most DVD players and surround sound kits are also SCART-out (or BiDi SCART), so the TVs tend to have multiple SCART ports. The smallest proportion of all are digital, SD and satellite- or cable-received and these are the only boxes with HDMI (though they are coaxial-type LNB input still).

At present in the UK, the market for televisions is primarily broadcast and DVD viewing. As a result most televisions run a large number of SCART inputs, usually with one alternative component + L/R and/or composite + L/R input, and a coaxial input. HDMI inputs are only of use to the relatively small number of people who have SkyHD, FreesatHD or a cable HD alternative (VirginMedia), use a BluRay or HD-DVD player or have a HD games console. We are much less likely to find a TV with only HDMI connectors than we are to find a TV with no HMDI connectors - but either would be a dumb move, because they both mean cutting out potential markets for the sake of a connector.

 

[yeti]

You are saying you disagree with my brother not missing a beat enjoying his games as they are? He finshed GTA on a SDTV, never complained about the radar.

Yes - the Radar in GTA4 is not clear enough on an SDTV - your brother must have been able to sit a lot closer to his TV than I can in my lounge...

I upgraded from 28" 4:3 SDTV to a 37" (1080P) HDTV - the radar became visible post upgrade... (Noting of course that GTA was 720P)!

C.

 

[LaBounti]

My point was there was nothing to disagree on if it did not affect my brothers experience. Had I said "GTA4 is fine on a SDTV" then there is something to disagree on.

 

[yeti]

My point was there was nothing to disagree on if it did not affect my brothers experience. Had I said "GTA4 is fine on a SDTV" then there is something to disagree on.

Fair enough - more of a criticism of R* TBH!

Any other game I played SD I had no other issues... (although HD is much better to look at!)

It is more annoying that most PS3 games come out in 720 and not 1080.

C.

 

[LaBounti]

Fair enough - more of a criticism of R* TBH!

Any other game I played SD I had no other issues... (although HD is much better to look at!)

It is more annoying that most PS3 games come out in 720 and not 1080.

C.

1080p only looks good if its done right. No tricks like GT5P or upscaled 720p. Sacred 2 is one of the best looking games in 1080p. I could not understand why it looked so clear until I sat on my remote and it displayed the resolution.

 

[jjaisli]

Not really - you bought the TVs that suited your needs.

The TV I bought a few months ago has 1 component, 1 composite, 2 SCART, 2 HDMI, 1 coaxial, 1 VGA, 1 DVI, 1 audio line in, 1 optical audio out and 1 S-Video port. A TV I bought 3 years previously had composite, VGA and coax only. I can't use the two as examples of the proliferation of SCART and PC inputs or the longevity of coaxial.


The majority of UK broadcast television is, currently, analogue, SD and aerial-received. This means that the majority of UK-market televisions have coaxial inputs - or they wouldn't sell. A smaller proportion is digital, SD and aerial-received. The convertor boxes are typically coaxial-in and SCART-out, so many UK-market televisions also have SCART inputs. A smaller proportion still is digital, SD and satellite-received or digital, SD and cable-received. The decoders are also coaxial-type LNB input and SCART output. Most DVD players and surround sound kits are also SCART-out (or BiDi SCART), so the TVs tend to have multiple SCART ports. The smallest proportion of all are digital, SD and satellite- or cable-received and these are the only boxes with HDMI (though they are coaxial-type LNB input still).

At present in the UK, the market for televisions is primarily broadcast and DVD viewing. As a result most televisions run a large number of SCART inputs, usually with one alternative component + L/R and/or composite + L/R input, and a coaxial input. HDMI inputs are only of use to the relatively small number of people who have SkyHD, FreesatHD or a cable HD alternative (VirginMedia), use a BluRay or HD-DVD player or have a HD games console. We are much less likely to find a TV with only HDMI connectors than we are to find a TV with no HMDI connectors - but either would be a dumb move, because they both mean cutting out potential markets for the sake of a connector.

Sorry--was away on the weekend and read this but lacked the ambition to write a response on a mobile device.

I appreciate your thorough report on the state of HD broadcast in the U.K. It's clear the US is far ahead of the curve in broadcast HD content. I have over 100 HD channels from my cable provider. They actually offer about 140 if I wanted to pay for additional packages. And while not all of these channels have full time HD content, the majority do and it's increasing daily. Just 3-4 years ago, we had maybe 20~30 HD channels and it was about 50/50 if they were actually running any HD programming at any given time. As of today, it's unusual NOT to find a show in HD. So the change is not only happening but it's happening very, VERY quickly. It seems even 9 out of 10 commercials are in HD. And I think my cable provider is pretty typical what you could find of other cable providers in the US as well as satellite. The choices are prolific.

None-the-less, compared to the UK, there seems to be much better offerings in France and Germany. And according to friends back in Switzerland, they have HD options both via cable and satellite. Although at the moment it's only about 15 channels. But when I lived in Switzerland, we had less than half of this and SD only. Elsewhere around the world, I can't really say but there's no doubt in my mind that there was a bigger push for HD in the US because the basic NTSC signal was pretty poor compared to PAL. But perhaps I now understand why Bernie Eccelstone has been so slow on the draw with HD for F1. Because his own home market is rather far behind in the adoption of HD broadcasting, certainly compared to the US but even compared to the rest of Europe.

Anyway, the point I'm getting to in all this is:
1. While there is very little HD content currently being broadcast in the UK, once it takes off, I suspect the flood gates will open. 5 years ago, most satellite or cable providers in the US charged a premium for HD content. Now-a-days, few would dare and it's pretty rare. It's become the norm--the accepted standard. Practically every major US TV network is broadcasting in HD. And I would guess give it another 3-4 years and you'll probably be in a similar situation.
2. Even if there is little broadcast HD content in the UK at the moment, anybody who purchased a new TV in the last 5 years, has probably purchased an HD TV. And I would guess the vast majority of TVs sold in the last 2-3 years were full HD (1080p). And I would guess that 99% or better had an HDMI port. So even if the majority of people in the UK are currently using SCART for their broadcast content, there's probably a high percentage out there with an HD ready TV and an empty HDMI port.

The question is, how many people in the UK actually have a TV that's HD ready? I can find reference to a poll by the BVA from this article http://www.50connect.co.uk/technology/how_to_guides/are_you_watching_hd_tv that suggests 55% of UK households do and that's about on par with the US, even if they aren't necessarily watching HD programming, they have the capacity to accept it, be it from a cable box, a Blu-Ray player or a PS3/PS4.

My guess is Sony and MS are sitting back right now and watching the adoption rates with great interest and for this reason alone, recession aside, are in no hurry with their plans.

 

[jjaisli]

Not directly related to this discussion but along similar lines, I thought it was quite interesting to see that Apple released an update to their Apple TV device (for streaming pictures, music and TV/Movies from iTunes and/or Netfilx to your TV).

http://www.apple.com/appletv/specs.html

The reason I bring it up is because Composite video and standard audio connections are GONE on this device and it now comes only with an HDMI and optical audio out. Interesting.

Granted, even Apple admits that this device is merely a niche product. And they probably don't stand to lose much by positioning themselves as such. But with all my speculation about what the PS4 would bring in 2-3 years, I'm still a bit surprised that Apple would take this step of eliminating widely used ports and connections, already today in 2010.

Hmmm. Perhaps HMDI out in 2-3 years time (for the PS4) isn't such a far fetched concept. Time will tell.

 

[Northstar]

It's Apple though, the same company that only accepts HTML5(Which also won't be the standard for a few years minimum).

 

[FoolKiller]

Not directly related to this discussion but along similar lines, I thought it was quite interesting to see that Apple released an update to their Apple TV device (for streaming pictures, music and TV/Movies from iTunes and/or Netfilx to your TV).

http://www.apple.com/appletv/specs.html

The reason I bring it up is because Composite video and standard audio connections are GONE on this device and it now comes only with an HDMI and optical audio out. Interesting.

Wait, so it can only be hooked up to newer TVs. The kind that I see more and more often come with Netflix access built-in to them out of the box? And they expect people to pay $99 for it?

Hmmm. Perhaps HMDI out in 2-3 years time (for the PS4) isn't such a far fetched concept. Time will tell.

I have a feeling that even if they drop SD only connections that they will also come with HDBaseT connections as well, since Sony is part of the group that developed that. One PlayStation, on all your TVs.

 

[LaBounti]

Maximum output is 720p......... Its like putting premium gas in a 1.2L 4 banger. Its also very limited and from the the design, shape, size HDMI "only" seemed to be the only option. Comparable devices have HDMI and component but are larger.

 

[FoolKiller]

Maximum output is 720p......... Its like putting premium gas in a 1.2L 4 banger. Its also very limited and from the the design, shape, size HDMI "only" seemed to be the only option. Comparable devices have HDMI and component but are larger.

I'm just stuck trying to imagine paying $99 to hook up a box that will let me watch DRM movies to a TV that has Netflix built-in. Even Netflix quit trying to market their streaming box once they saw the benefit in licensing the software out to hardware firms.

 

[jjaisli]

Well, I didn't really post details about the Apple TV device to debate the device itself. I just thought it was interesting that here we were speculating about the future and what connections may or may not be offered by Sony for the PS4 in a few years time and Apple introduces a device just a week later that drops legacy connections.

Personally, I can't see the use for Netflix streaming but it does have other benefits, such as photo streaming from your iPhoto database, music or video streaming from iTunes, etc. But I agree with LaBounti, at 720p, it's not really sufficient to stream large megapixel photos on a large TV without some loss of quality.

 

[Dan360]

Gran Turismo and Gran Turismo 2 was released on the PlayStation

Gran Turismo 3 and Gran Turismo 4 was released on the Playstation 2

Gran Turismo 5 was released on the PlayStation 3


See a pattern? It took 13 years from GT to GT5, so wait another 7 years for your PS4, when HDD TV's will be out and all of them will be 100' inches.

 

[Kubalivre]

Gran Turismo and Gran Turismo 2 was released on the PlayStation

Gran Turismo 3 and Gran Turismo 4 was released on the Playstation 2

Gran Turismo 5 was released on the PlayStation 3


See a pattern? It took 13 years from GT to GT5, so wait another 7 years for your PS4, when HDD TV's will be out and all of them will be 100' inches.

Yes, because technology is obviously moving at a steady rate.

 

[Solid Lifters]

I just read that the PS4 has been confirmed pysical media. I guess Sony learned their lesson with the PSP Go.

 

[LaBounti]

I just read that the PS4 has been confirmed pysical media. I guess Sony learned their lesson with the PSP Go.

I disagree, PsPgo was never to be the front of the line version of PSP. It was designed for those people who only want digital distribution. If the Go was the only PSP on shelves then what you said would be the case but the 3000 isnt going anywhere.

 

[Imari]

I disagree, PsPgo was never to be the front of the line version of PSP. It was designed for those people who only want digital distribution. If the Go was the only PSP on shelves then what you said would be the case but the 3000 isnt going anywhere.

I dunno about never to be. If it had taken off there's a real possibility that they would have discontinued the 3000.

I'd assume they've learned their lesson though for the PS4. People like something they can hold in their hands and say "This is mine".

 

[Solid Lifters]

I disagree, PsPgo was never to be the front of the line version of PSP. It was designed for those people who only want digital distribution. If the Go was the only PSP on shelves then what you said would be the case but the 3000 isnt going anywhere.

I'm not saying PSP GO was supposed to be anything. The sales for the Go or pretty bad and below expectation. Nobody wants to download a game compared to owning the media. Hence why I said Sony learned their lesson.

 

[LaBounti]

I dunno about never to be. If it had taken off there's a real possibility that they would have discontinued the 3000.

I'd assume they've learned their lesson though for the PS4. People like something they can hold in their hands and say "This is mine".

Of course they do, but the Go was never marketed as the next PSP. Even if the Go out sold the 3000 there will always be a market for the 300+ UMD games out there. Sony would be stupid to abandon that market and publishers would not be able to reach out to normal gamers who like physical media.

I'm not saying PSP GO was supposed to be anything. The sales for the Go or pretty bad and below expectation. Nobody wants to download a game compared to owning the media. Hence why I said Sony learned their lesson.

The only lesson they learned there was the terrible price point. Its a hard sell, many have been begging for a UMD less PSP, they got it, the rest of world doesn't like the price or its concept.

 

[FendRhodes]

Wow poll phail FTL!!!

Anywhozle, i think it would be awesome if the ps4 was powerful enough to handle listening to music while browsing the menu bar.

 

[HeroPride]

Ps4....hmm

graphic card(a powerful one)
16 cell cpu
cooling system
SSD( solid state drive)( for games)
7.2k RPM hard drive for music storage/movies/photos

voice activated system...Mic will be in the controller. ( example: play grand theft auto)
Multiple drives for multiple games ( probably 3)

8 USB ports

(USB 4.0)

Priced @ around 600 dollars for launch.

 

[CoolColJ]

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2010-09-20-sony-future-platforms-will-be-developer-friendly

Sony's internal software developers will be getting much more input into the design of future PlayStation hardware, according to Worldwide Studios boss Shuhei Yoshida.

Including games developers in the hardware design process is a significant change from the creation and launch of the PlayStation 3, when Sony Computer Entertainment was overseen by 'father of PlayStation' Ken Kuturagi, working with an enclosed team in Japan.

But since Kuturagi's retirement, Kaz Hirai - a more software-focused executive - has created a more inclusive business at SCE, pulling Japan and the full Worldwide Studios teams closer together.

"That has made a huge, huge day to day difference, and a month-to-month and year-to-year difference," said WWS president Shuhei Yoshida, in an exclusive interview published today.

"Actually, I'd say that Move was the first platform project that, from day one, from the very conceptual stage, had Worldwide Studios involved. WWS was involved before SCE's hardware guys were involved. It was between Richard Marks, the SCEA R&D group and Worldwide Studios teams - they started looking into next-gen motion gaming, and tried every different kind of technology, including 3D cameras and other motion capture technologies like magnetics or ultrasound," he detailed.

"That's a totally, totally different approach from the days when Ken was running the company. As soon as Kaz took over Ken's position, Kaz told the people in Japan that from now on, they had to talk to Worldwide Studios about anything about the platform, and get our feedback on any decisions. I thought, "wow"!"

Both the PlayStation 2 and the PlayStation 3 were criticised for being difficult hardware to get to grips with, but Yoshida said that games developers will have much more input on the tools and operating system for the next PlayStation console.

"Not only do we give them input, but Worldwide Studios' tech teams are part of the platform OS and tools development. That's a completely new world as well.

"Our central tech groups, the WWS tech groups, have been making game engines or tools for the studios in the group - but now they are part of the tools of development and the low-level middleware library development. That means the future platform, the PlayStation platform tools and OS... At least part of those will actually be developed by game developers."

Yoshida himself has been instrumental in bringing the company together under Hirai's vision, enabling the teams to collaborate closely where before there was no structure to communicate.

"I had never been that kind of process. People understood Kaz' vision, but they didn't know what to do, or who to talk to," said Yoshida. "They had set milestones in terms of developing hardware. I felt like I could uniquely go into that group of engineers in Japan and suggest a new process - interject the right kind of software teams to the right kind of hardware issues that need solutions.

"I felt that, because they didn't have to talk to us when they were making hardware decisions previously, they might feel like the process took too long if they had to go through additional steps. I was afraid that they might not like it. But what's really exciting, for me, is that I have found that they really, really embraced the relationship. They always wanted to make hardware that great games could be made for - but they didn't know who to talk to. They were making decisions with very limited insight from the software side, regarding what kind of hardware features or tools would make game developers happy."

This new working culture is proving successful for Sony, with hardware and software teams able to give feedback to each other at the prototype stage and better understand each other's needs.

"Not only were we able to say, yes, this feature is good, or this other feature won't be necessary - we could show examples, the reasons why some features are more important than others," added Yoshida. "We could use our game concepts, our prototypes, and show them the reasons.

"Then it becomes really clear in their minds - they understood that they had to make Move's response time as good as Dual Shock, in order to make it adaptable to all kinds of games. That kind of technical decision can now be made with direct insight from gaming teams. The engineers say that they're so glad to hear these things - they can't think of any other way of making new hardware, now."

The full interview with Shuhei Yoshida, where he also discusses Move and why projects such as The Last Guardian and GT5 have such long development times, can be read here.

 

[LaBounti]

Ps4....hmm

graphic card(a powerful one)
16 cell cpu
cooling system
SSD( solid state drive)( for games)
7.2k RPM hard drive for music storage/movies/photos

Consoles don't have graphics cards and SSDs are inefficient for consoles. And for consoles to have both a SSD and HDD is redundant.

16spe Cell isnt the answer. 8-16 "Symmetrical" spe's is. With 1GB of unified memory.