Playstation 4

[Earth]

What I would like to see in PS4

- Every game native 1080p @ 60fps

- 500 GB or 1 TB HDD models at launch

- 4 USB ports

- Latest blu-ray drive that can read quad layer blu-ray discs (100 GB) or better depending on the latest tech

- Far improved web browser

- 4K resolution support

- $350 for 500 GB $450 for 1TB which includes 1 year of PS +

- 2 year warranty to give early adopters more confidence

- Fall 2013 release. About 10x more powerful then the PS3. Around 5 GBs of memory. Should be able to run GT5 @ true 1080p @ 60fps 16x AA full weather partical effects & night lighting effects & 32+ car fields

- Backwards compatible with PS3 games & online even HOME

- PS2 games released as DLC 2-8 GBs. Can play PS1 DLC as well

- DS4 should be like the DS3 but better build quality

- HDMI 1.4a or latest HDMI spec, fully 3D ready

 

[SuperShouden]

No I meant GT6 since it would be a ridiculous idea for PS4 to come out why not GT6 to make things more ridiculous. It was meant to be sarcastic.

Sarcastic or not, it doesn't make any since. GT5's coming out in fall. Why would they release GT5 and then GT6 a week later?

 

[Radracing]

Sarcastic or not, it doesn't make any since. GT5's coming out in fall. Why would they release GT5 and then GT6 a week later?

Same as why they would release a PS4 when PS3's potential has not been maximize by game developers. To top it off Sony is only starting to make a profit in selling PS3 so why would they want to come out with a new PS4? So they can start loosing money again? BIG DUH!

 

[kikie]

A PS4 which you can upgrade like a pc is the future! 💡





Mind this smiley >>>>>>

 

[danielwhite74]

I have heard plenty of stories about PS3 getting the "YLOD".

Also, I don't see why people make a big deal out of it. It's not like they aren't fixing them for free. Now if they charged people to have their console fixed I would see why people would be angry.

The YLoD is extremely rare, whereas the failure rate of the Xbox 360 within the first month is still around 5%; with the earliest models, this figure was above a completely unacceptable 50%. To add insult to injury, Xbox customer support is notoriously poor.

 

[FoolKiller]

1)Don't bother with a web browser. Most people have PCs for that

I don't know, when I have a group of people over it is nice to show a You Tube video without passing the laptop around.

4)Still keep putting games onto blu-ray discs, but don't bother with blu-ray/dvd movie playback as I'm sure many people will have got standalone players

My PS3 is my Blu-Ray player, and it is more reliable and functional than every standalone player I have seen in homes. Similarly, when I was in college my PS2 was my first DVD player.

5)Take away all the photo storing/music playback/multi-media guff. It should be a games machine only. People can use their PC's for that.

Because my PC in my bedroom or my laptop is such a better music player than my surround sound system? And as I said above with the Web browser, showing photos or home videos to visitors is much nicer on my 42" TV than on my laptop.

6)Only make one socket on the back - an HDMI output. These days, playing games on anything other than an HD connection is pretty pointless. If you haven't got an HD telly then you are WAY behind the times.

Yet, recent data shows that only 65% of US homes have HDTVs. It wouldn't be smart to exclude over a third of your potential user base. And of course, that doesn't account for people that don't have their gaming system set up on the main living room TV, such as kids gaming in their bedrooms on an old TV.

Plus, if HD was that important to everyone the Wii wouldn't be selling like it is.



I get what you are aiming for with all of your "the PC can do that" stuff, but many people have large entertainment centers setup in their living room and the PS3 has allowed for us to bring everything together without much effort.

 

[CodeRedR51]

My PS3 is my Blu-Ray player, and it is more reliable and functional than every standalone player I have seen in homes. Similarly, when I was in college my PS2 was my first DVD player.

+1. 👍

 

[Golfman]

I know people that still watch and record on VHS. I don't even think you can pick up a Black and white TV anymore so that rules that out.

I know several people that have saved up for well over a year for a ps3 so buying another tv is a big ask. Especially when you can still get big CRT'S for 1/4 of the price. Yes new TV's are not that expensive to you and me, but there are people in this world they are for, and its not that much more of a stretch for sony to implement the lead plug in. It doesn't affect your console now as it is anyway.

You also forget alot of people use CRT'S for spare or children's bedrooms.

You're missing the point slightly. I'm not saying that people who can't afford one should make it a priority in life - hell there are more inportant things in life than games and tvs - all I'm saying is that if you can afford one and you DON'T upgrade then you are missing out.
As I said, If you can afford a new console one month, then you surely can afford a new Tv the next month.

 

[Nero9]

6)Only make one socket on the back - an HDMI output. These days, playing games on anything other than an HD connection is pretty pointless. If you haven't got an HD telly then you are WAY behind the times.

Hold it right there buddy.
You're saying that half of the people who own TV should'nt be able to play on a PS4 just cause they don't have a HDTV?
Like myself, i use an LDTV from the 80s to play on my PS2. The SDTV in the living room to play on my Dreamcast. My family can't afford these stuff yet.

Yes, maybe in 30 years, when every TV owner owns at least a HDTV, but until then...no.

 

[Golfman]

So what you are all saying is that you can easily afford the new price for a PS4 when it comes out - say £500. Yet you won't pay around £200-£400 for a decent sized HDTV to get the best possible picture out of it. Dear me. HTDVs these days are not expensive.

 

[Northstar]

So what you are all saying is that you can easily afford the new price for a PS4 when it comes out - say £500. Yet you won't pay around £200-£400 for a decent sized HDTV to get the best possible picture out of it. Dear me. HTDVs these days are not expensive.

What if we can only afford to buy one of those things? I would much rather play a video game on a SDTV than sit with an HDTV that I can't do anything on.

Or what if we have an older HDTV that doesn't have an HDMI input(as the one in my living room doesn't have one).

I really don't get why you are making a big deal of this, it's not the most difficult thing in the world to add more output options and by limiting them they would only be limiting their sales.

 

[LaBounti]

So what you are all saying is that you can easily afford the new price for a PS4 when it comes out - say £500. Yet you won't pay around £200-£400 for a decent sized HDTV to get the best possible picture out of it. Dear me. HTDVs these days are not expensive.

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You are not getting the big picture here. I don't see HDMI as a standard on all devices for another 7-10+. Every system since SNES has been ready to play with no additional components or TV standards. Sony's Mutiout is on PS3 for a reason and will never go away. It gives users an option for whatever type of TV they have. To take that away would be bad.

Ps1, Multiout
Ps2, Multiout
Ps3, Multiout+Hdmi

All system can use the same cables and there is no positive reason to change that.

 

[marchi]

So what you are all saying is that you can easily afford the new price for a PS4 when it comes out - say £500. Yet you won't pay around £200-£400 for a decent sized HDTV to get the best possible picture out of it. Dear me. HTDVs these days are not expensive.

What you're not getting is the point where people already scrounge around saving for over a year to get the console. To have to get a tv aswell is a kick in the pants.

 

[CoolColJ]

A PC LCD monitor works just as well, most have HDMI inputs and 1080p res

 

[Golfman]

Hmmm. To those who think it's okay to just stick with an SDTV, it's obvious you are not bothered about HD gaming - something you can only get with an HDTV.
Frankly, I feel sorry for you. The clarity and detail and overall experience you get with a PS3 is mindblowing compared to standard def.
Stick with that and your PS3s (or PS4s) will be sat next to your out-of-date-telly, thinking to themselves "Well, I'm an HD console that delivers HD gaming. But plugged into this thing I feel like I'm in the dark ages."
Show it some respect and give it the picture it deserves.

 

[Neal]

I'm not ready yet for the PS4, as I think the PS3 has a lot of untapped potential that developers are only just discovering.
However, when Sony do decide to bring it out, I hope they listen to this:

1)Don't bother with a web browser. Most people have PCs for that
2)Make it fully backwards compatible with PS2/PS3 games
3)Give us at least a 500GB HDD as standard
4)Still keep putting games onto blu-ray discs, but don't bother with blu-ray/dvd movie playback as I'm sure many people will have got standalone players
5)Take away all the photo storing/music playback/multi-media guff. It should be a games machine only. People can use their PC's for that.
6)Only make one socket on the back - an HDMI output. These days, playing
games on anything other than an HD connection is pretty pointless. If you haven't got an HD telly then you are WAY behind the times.
7)Make it cheaper, and get it out quicker! The 360 damaged PS3's early sales because it was inexpensive and released before PS3. Unfortunately for those who got one, they soon found out that cheaper price/early release meant cheaply made/rushed construction. Over half of the early 360's developed problems, leaving Gates and Microsoft red-faced. Didn't stop fools from buying one though, and misguided developers making games for it.

They say a picture is worth a thousand words!

 

[marchi]

Hmmm. To those who think it's okay to just stick with an SDTV, it's obvious you are not bothered about HD gaming - something you can only get with an HDTV.
Frankly, I feel sorry for you. The clarity and detail and overall experience you get with a PS3 is mindblowing compared to standard def.
Stick with that and your PS3s (or PS4s) will be sat next to your out-of-date-telly, thinking to themselves "Well, I'm an HD console that delivers HD gaming. But plugged into this thing I feel like I'm in the dark ages."
Show it some respect and give it the picture it deserves.

Listen to Mr T. Its quite obvious you simply just don't have a clue.

 

[Moglet]

4)don't bother with blu-ray/dvd movie playback as I'm sure many people will have got standalone players

No they haven't.

 

[Golfman]

Listen to Mr T. Its quite obvious you simply just don't have a clue.

Look, when I first got my PS3 years ago, it came with just one game: Resistance Fall of man.
At the time I owned a 28" Sanyo tv that I got 4 years previously. It wasn't an LCD, it was fat and heavy and admittedly served me and my PS2 well. My PS3 worked on it OK, but there was just something missing.
I had the choice of buying one game a month or using the money instead to save up for an LCD HDTV, I chose the latter.
I played that one game to death until I saved enough, 6 months later, and got a 28" Bush LCD. I could have built up my games collection but I wisely decided that it was more important to utilise my PS3's power and see next-gen games and Blu-rays the the way they were intended. I'm glad I did.
Eventually, I wanted something bigger. So a year later I sold my Bush Tv, did without buying games for another few months, and got a Sony Bravia "32. A fantastic Tv, but it wasn't full 1080p.
Between then and now, I have saved enough (sacfrificing games purchases) and am now the proud owner of a Samsung 46" LCD 1080p Tv that sits in my living room and has everything connected to it - my PS3, Sky+HD, my girflriend's Wii, and my standalone Blu-ray player.

You are all probably thinking "Yeah it must be great to have money to burn like that." Nonsense. I just believe in keeping up with the times. As I said, I could have had huge game collection if I hadn't used the money to buy the Tvs, but I feel that my priorities in this case were correct: have a reasonable collection of quality games to play on an up-to-date set up, rather that have a huge collection of games - some of which I may hardly play - on a mediocre set up.

All I am saying to you all is, if it is at all possible, get an HDTV as soon as possible. It is well worth it.

 

[jjaisli]

Well, I hate to say it, but I actually agree with Golfman. About something. For ONCE! (It probably won't ever happen again).

Let's be realistic here. The PS4 is likely still YEARS away. And you can't even BUY an SDTV anymore today. Or yesterday. I haven't seen an SDTV for sale in several years. Looking to the future, at the next generation of consoles, it would probably be a crippling handicap, and for various reasons, to be forced to offer games (designed in 2013) to be played in SD. In just those few years we'll be looking at yet another leap forward again in video technology. Having SD output would be like designing the PS4 to have backward compatibility with the PS3 AND PS2. Having everything standardized at full 1080p will go a long way to helping Sony and game developers cut costs and cut down on development time.

Come on guys, you can buy a cheap 32" LCD TV today for prices that would have been unimaginable just 3-4 years ago. By the time the PS4 is released, such equipment will be considered normal. And cheap. Expecting the the PS4 to have an HDMI out only is not a lofty expectation. I'm not somebody who feels he has to always go out and buy the latest and greatest but at some point, you have to cut the cord.

 

[Golfman]

Well, I hate to say it, but I actually agree with Golfman. About something. For ONCE! (It probably won't ever happen again).

Let's be realistic here. The PS4 is likely still YEARS away. And you can't even BUY an SDTV anymore today. Or yesterday. I haven't seen an SDTV for sale in several years. Looking to the future, at the next generation of consoles, it would probably be a crippling handicap, and for various reasons, to be forced to offer games (designed in 2013) to be played in SD. In just those few years we'll be looking at yet another leap forward again in video technology. Having SD output would be like designing the PS4 to have backward compatibility with the PS3 AND PS2. Having everything standardized at full 1080p will go a long way to helping Sony and game developers cut costs and cut down on development time.

Come on guys, you can buy a cheap 32" LCD TV today for prices that would have been unimaginable just 3-4 years ago. By the time the PS4 is released, such equipment will be considered normal. And cheap. Expecting the the PS4 to have an HDMI out only is not a lofty expectation. I'm not somebody who feels he has to always go out and buy the latest and greatest but at some point, you have to cut the cord.

At least there is somebody here who sees sense. Hell, If 3D technology comes down to be reasonably affordable, and if it is proven to be a worthwhile investment, I may go that way too.
I am not too old to know that you have to keep up with technology these days. My uncle always used to moan that he couldn't find anywhere to rent VHS movies for his video recorder. We were always telling him that they simply don't make the things anymore. So we got him a DVD player for his christmas a few years ago. He's getting on a bit, but even he admits that he should have done that ages ago.
And in this country, the analogue tv signal is all but extinct. You have to have a digital-ready set up just to watch tv broadcasts these days. I know it's easy to buy the equipment and convert your old SDTV to digital, but why bother with that hassle when you can just get yourself an HDTV and be done with it?
And as jjaisly sayd, they are actually quite affordable these days - the price keeps coming down.
Take the plunge, get and HDTV, and keep up with the times. Has and always will be my motto.

 

[FoolKiller]

So, Golfman, I assume you have a full and proper surround sound setup as well?

 

[Famine]

Hmmm. To those who think it's okay to just stick with an SDTV, it's obvious you are not bothered about HD gaming - something you can only get with an HDTV.

Sony still have to cater to them though, or else they'd lose a huge portion of their market.

No sense in selling your console to only people who have a 3D-capable HDTV and an optical input surround sound. What's that? Your Samsung 1080p isn't capable of 3D? Quit living in the dark ages, man. Why should Sony be expected to cater to someone like you who obviously doesn't care about getting the best from their gaming?

 

[Northstar]

Hmmm. To those who think it's okay to just stick with an SDTV, it's obvious you are not bothered about HD gaming - something you can only get with an HDTV.

I would guess if they could afford one they would. It costs a lot more than just not buying a game or two. Currently I have a 23" monitor I use for my PS3, as much as I would like to get a proper TV, there is no way I could justify buying one when I have other things to but that are actually important. If it wasn't for tax returns I wouldn't have either my PS3 or my monitor, others aren't so lucky and have to save up for months just to have a PS3.

I still have no clue as what you are exactly arguing about, it's not like having a SD port on a console is ruining your experience(no matter how much you act like it is, it's not).

One more thing, I would rather have 100 games and have to use a SDTV than 1 game and an HDTV.

 

[jjaisli]

Sony still have to cater to them though, or else they'd lose a huge portion of their market.

No sense in selling your console to only people who have a 3D-capable HDTV and an optical input surround sound. What's that? Your Samsung 1080p isn't capable of 3D? Quit living in the dark ages, man. Why should Sony be expected to cater to someone like you who obviously doesn't care about getting the best from their gaming?

But I think there's a discernible difference. I see 3D TVs as something of a fad (at least for the moment). Sony is offering 3D games because they want to sell 3D televisions. That's clear. But right now, if you look at market penetration, very few people have 3D televisions. And I doubt in 2-3 years, the situation will change much. So it wouldn't make sense for Sony to ONLY offer 3D games. On the other hand (as of May of this year) more than 50% of US households have HD televisions. (Link below)

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...ess_Than_Fifty_Percent_Have_an_HD_Signal/4644

In 2007, the figure was only 28%. So in just 3 years, it went from 28% to 53%. And we're in the middle of a recession. But we're discussing the PS4 here, aren't we? I think even the best case scenario (if that's the right way to put it) wouldn't have the PS4 on store shelves for another 2 years. And the PS4 will likely have a shelf life of 5+ years. During that time frame, I would guess the market penetration of HD televisions will go from maybe 75% to 90%. And let's keep in mind, Sony is in the business of selling TVs (both 3D and non 3D enabled). But HD either way. No doubt they consider the idea of the PS3 (and certainly the PS4) as a catalyst for selling more HD TVs.

At any rate, I think we could safely make the argument that HDMI out (only) on the PS4 is a real possibility. And the fact that developers could standardize all of their games on 1080p (or at least 720p) would be a huge benefit to Sony, to developers and ultimately to gamers as well. You can buy a cheap 32" HD TV today for what? $350? What are they going to cost when the PS4 is on the shelves? $200? $150? Less? Who knows. But come on guys, gaming is very much a technology driven industry. And engineers, designing a system today, for sale in 2 years, with a long shelf life, have to think to the future. Personally, I have serious doubts if the next generation of game consoles will support SD output.


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2)Make it fully backwards compatible with PS2/PS3 games
4)Still keep putting games onto blu-ray discs, but don't bother with blu-ray/dvd movie playback as I'm sure many people will have got standalone players
6)Only make one socket on the back - an HDMI output. These days, playing
games on anything other than an HD connection is pretty pointless. If you haven't got an HD telly then you are WAY behind the times.

Hmmm, OK, maybe I don't exactly agree with Golfman after all. No 2 & No 6 are somewhat contradictory. And no. 4? Well, It doesn't really make much sense. I admit, I don't use my PS3 for much OTHER than games and movie playback.

 

[Golfman]

Quit living in the dark ages, man. Why should Sony be expected to cater to someone like you who obviously doesn't care about getting the best from their gaming?

What?! I am living in the dark ages? It's those people who wont get a decent tv for their HD consoles and would rather spend money on a huge library of games - some of which they may only play a few times - who are living in the past.
And I care massively about getting the best from gaming. Have done since the 80's.
Jeez, I give up on you all.

 

[Northstar]

What?! I am living in the dark ages? It's those people who wont get a decent tv for their HD consoles and would

What if they can't get a HDTV for whatever reason? Even if they could afford it they are still not easily accessible in certain parts of the world(sort of like broadband internet).

This has been asked countless times and you never answer(which seems to be a common thing with you)

rather spend money on a huge library of games - some of which they may only play a few times - who are living in the past.

Once again, I would rather have 100 games and an SDTV than 1 game and a HDTV.

And I care massively about getting the best from gaming. Have done since the 80's.

Really? I could never tell.

Jeez, I give up on you all.

 

[Famine]

What?! I am living in the dark ages? It's those people who wont get a decent tv for their HD consoles and would rather spend money on a huge library of games - some of which they may only play a few times - who are living in the past.
And I care massively about getting the best from gaming. Have done since the 80's.
Jeez, I give up on you all.

I thought you might miss the point a bit.

You have the equipment you deem necessary and you think that Sony should cater directly to you - anyone with lesser equipment "obviously doesn't care" and isn't worth thinking about. And yet you don't have the top rung of equipment. Move the goalposts to only those people - who'd think that you, with lesser equipment "obviously don't care" and aren't worth thinking about - and you get all indignant. Why should you miss out or be characterised as second-tier just because you don't have the top line of home entertainment?

Do you not see the inconsistency here?

 

[LaBounti]

6)Only make one socket on the back - an HDMI output. These days, playing
games on anything other than an HD connection is pretty pointless. If you haven't got an HD telly then you are WAY behind the times.

This is where the problem started. No one says anyone should stick with SDTV. HDMI is not the only High Definition cable component. This is(like I already stated) where the Multiout comes in handy. There is no positive reason to not have it.

PlayStation Multiout supports High Definition............ no reason to remove it even for PS4. HDMI is not the TV standard and wont be for a long time.

 

[jjaisli]

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I don't see HDMI as a standard on all devices for another 7-10+.

This is where the problem started. No one says anyone should stick with SDTV...HDMI is not the TV standard and wont be for a long time.

My main point is that I suspect the next generation of consoles will be HD only. IF that turns out to be the case, than it eliminates the need for multi-out. And I say that because I think you vastly underestimate the adoption rate in which HDMI is taking over. 7 years? 10 years? That's pure fantasy. It's happening right now and much quicker than you realize.

The amount of market penetration is what determines whether something is a standard. The level or percentage of market penetration is open for debate. When did DVDs take over from VHS tapes? When they had 30%? 40%? 65% market penetration? Who can say for sure. But certainly HDMI is and has been the standard on any NEW TV sold in the last 3-4 years. Component has been on the way out for a while now. It's the direction the industry has been going for some time. And part of that push is being led by the movie studios themselves and agreements with manufacturers of recording equipment, display top boxes, TVs and content providers. (To put it in very basic terms, they want to eliminate HDMI "In" on any kind of recording device.) So one could argue that for this reason alone, the big push is now in progress.

I'm no expert in the field but I can tell you this. I bought my first HD TV about 6 & 1/2 years ago. It had 2 component in rows, 2x composite in rows, S-video, coaxial and 1xHDMI. At the time, I didn't even know what HDMI was. The HD cable box I received had component out. So that's what I used. About 4 years ago, I bought an HD TV for my basement. That TV had every input connection under the sun: 2xcomponent, 2xcomposite, 2xHDMI, CF card slot, coaxial, PC input, optical digital input/output, etc. A few months ago I bought a new HD TV to replace the original unit I bought 6+ years ago. It had 1 component in row, coaxial, and 4 x HDMI. And that's it. I went to my local Cablevision store and wanted a box that was HDMI out. The guy behind the counter laughed and said "Yeah, you and everybody else." They had stack upon stack and row upon row of 'old' component out boxes that people had exchanged for newer HDMI out boxes. (Granted, Cablevision was slow on the draw for HDMI out boxes. For years, only their DVR boxes had HDMI out).

Believe me, the big push is happening and it's happening NOW. Is it already the standard? I could probably argue 'yes'. But if not, it will be by the time the PS4 is released. Does that mean that the PS4 won't have multi-out? Well, I have no idea. But certainly Sony engineers are looking at this and studying current trends. And it wouldn't surprise me.