[POLL] How would you feel about Stealth and Chromeline Cars as DLC?

[trevor24]

Man I wouldn't mind having stealth cars and that jaguar chromeline as a DLC

 

[maxpontiac]

When I bought GT5 a year ago, I made the decision to spend a few more bucks on the Collectors Edition due to the cars it came with.

Perhaps those who missed out can have them as well once GT6 is released.

 

[McClarenDesign]

They should be available as DLC, because Amazon screwed me over when they decided after purchasing that suddenly I'm no longer entitled to the Stealth car code they promised when I pre-ordered. I really want the Mclaren F1. Already have the collectors edition chrome cars, don't need another set.

I did try to buy the signature edition when It was on sale for cheap, but it sold out before I could make my order, meh.

I am SO glad I went to GameStop for mine, plus I got the Joey Leganotgonnaworkhereanymore's NASCAR and the Stealth F1. I could care less about the NASCAR, but having it has made a few fanboys jealous, and that's a nice feeling.

I was also fortunate enough to get the Edge SS Camaro, so I certainly understand if the elitist Europeans want to keep their Chromeline.

Considering how much collective time I've spent with the GT franchise, the extra money spent on the CE was well worth it, and I was prepared to double it had the SE been offered (I suppose I could've tried to go super-elitist and find PAL stuff, but my elitism is often limited by time).

Whatever the DLC in the future, I'm gonna get it. Not to be better than everyone else (cuz I am), but because I spend so much time with the series and enjoy it so much, it ends up saving me money from not doing the things I could (small fortune saved on trips to the bar, strip club, ebay, your mom).

Rest assured, if the Stealth Mazda, Merc, Audi or the Chromeline Jag become available in the US, I'm gonna snag them the minute they become available.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

When I bought GT5 a year ago, I made the decision to spend a few more bucks on the Collectors Edition due to the cars it came with.

Perhaps those who missed out can have them as well once GT6 is released.

It wasn't a few more bucks and I should know because I own a CE copy. I see nothing wrong with people wanting to pay up for DLC, they're still giving to PD and it is essentially doing what they might not have been able to do a year ago. What is so hard to understand about that.

 

[MustangCobra95]

Not sure why this negative approach is needed. Perhaps a good majority of the people who bought the collectors and special editions have a sense of "self-importance " or "elitism", but a majority of us, especially the elder crowd, bought these editions for one purpose, the collection of it. I would be quite outraged if PD decided to start pawning off portions of a complete edition that many of us went out of our way to obtain. It would, effectively, take away from it's rarity.
I'm an avid baseball collector, so I'll use this as an analogy:
Let's say upper deck runs a promo for a Frank Thomas collection set, limited to 1,000 pieces, only available through pre-order. It comes with an autographed card, a piece of his helmet, and a piece of his jersey from his world series game. Only people privy to these items are the preorderers. The autographed cards, however, are inserted into production packs.
Well after six months, they realize the set sold so well, and have a bunch of other pieces leftover, they start selling bits of it to anyone who will pay the price they charge. Well now my collection seems a bit drab, and it's rarity has lost it's appeal and value.

Do I still have the cars and box and trinkets at the end of the day? Yes. Should it matter that everyone else gets a stab at the cars you have for their own collection? Well I suppose not. I'll still live, and quite happily at that.
But if that's how big companies are going to run their promotions for a product they deem rare and collectible, then I think it should be left at that, rare and collectible.

I get what you are saying, but do you actually use the cars (This goes for you and everyone with the stealth/chrome line cars)? I know a few people who have the Signature Edition and never use those cars. And what about the people who couldn't get the collectors/signature edition due to it being sold out, like me?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I get what you are saying, but do you actually use the cars (This goes for you and everyone with the stealth/chrome line cars)? I know a few people who have the Signature Edition and never use those cars. And what about the people who couldn't get the collectors/signature edition due to it being sold out, like me?

^ Exactly! The only two I use are the stealth Logano and McLaren F1 cars as far as chrome line cars go, they're just fancy editions of cars anyone can get in the game. Not much special is done to them.

 

[plate88]

And to the snobby Sig/Collector Ed. guys: You paid extra for the cars, books, keychains, stickers, and diecast cars. Figuring the Sig Ed. was, what, 150$? $20 for the book, $60 for the game, a good $50 or so for the car, $5 or so for the extras, and roughly $15 for the cars.

I paid nothing for the collectors edition Thank you Sony and Nissan GT Academy.👍

 

[swiftwilly]

Nope. Hope it never happens. A few already came out and peeved me off. Even $15 isn't worth it. Signature edition was very very expensive. $200 more than normal editions in my country. A $200 DLC would be in my books.

 

[hardvibes]

I want NEW car models!! Not tuned cars that are already in the game.

 

[Watt2159]

No, not really, they should focus on new cars instead of different variants/paints of the same car.

 

[Bushby_23]

Nope. Hope it never happens. A few already came out and peeved me off. Even $15 isn't worth it. Signature edition was very very expensive. $200 more than normal editions in my country. A $200 DLC would be in my books.

Implying that you paid an extra $200 for a few cars; ishygddt

As an owner of the pal collectors edition (which came with most chromelines), I wouldn't really care if everyone else got them. Maybe pay a couple of bucks for them, but that's about it.

Not only would they never be able to get away with charging money for something that has been on the game disc since day one, but the self-important people would come out of the woodworks to protest it.

So it's a moot issue.

Isn't that technically what the current dlc is?

 

[Raitziger]

Nope. Hope it never happens. A few already came out and peeved me off. Even $15 isn't worth it. Signature edition was very very expensive. $200 more than normal editions in my country. A $200 DLC would be in my books.

You paid for the lottery ticket for the SLS AMG, not some black paint jobs.

 

[GTP_Monkey]

Do we use the cars, Yes I use all 6 stealths regulary. As for the chromlines I only use the Jag XJ13, the other 5 are useless except as a collectors edition.

Let me clarify something here, If you where to use them and tune them you will be at a disadvantage on all but 2 off them as they come partially tuned but when you add all the rest they do not reach the high power or lower weights there NCD counterparts do. Some not all, do however have front downforce F1 and the Merc but they suffer against NCD version.

NCD F1 fully tuned 885 bhp and 970kg.
Stealth F1 fully tuned 790 bhp and 1100kg.

The NCD F1 is quicker round Nurburgring by around 5 secs and 30 mph faster down the Mullsaine.

Chromelines, Well performance wise all 5 are pretty ****e really cant add wings,wheels or paint em.
Jag XJ13 a couple of kgs lighter and around 20 bhp more.

So there you go, collectors cars.

And dont go moaning now you want em you had the choice when you purchased the disc's and I dont beleive all this crap about cant afford it or cannot get hold of them, IM retired and money is tight, I didnt buy my game at release so had to do some internet home the find my SE version, and yes they are still avaible to those prepared to hunt for them.

If they do ever get released (and I dont think they will) the price shouild be relative to the cost we paid for our discs say 50 dollors for 6 stealth and again the same for the chromelines, remember as they are supposed to be something special then you should be prepared to pay for that something. Not the smae regular DLC price as this would just not do them justice.
The fact that there stealth/chromeline puts them above all other cars so pay accordingly.

 

[Akwaaba]

Interesting, 127 votes so far:
20% not bothered
31% No Way should Stealth & Chromeline become DLC
41% Yes and would pay $15 for a pack of 6
(8% other)

and what I didn't consider, that if you have these, and want another set - just create another account on your PS3! Which would explain why if you have the cars, you would pay for another set. However, It would be nice to have them in the NCD - so that you could have 0/0/0, stock to race and tuned to race - I gather some people like to have three in their garage.

 

[Galvatron1]

I picked up a used copy at the end of Aug '11 for $25, bought the Complete bundle DLC pack 1 & got the Stealth NSX. Then I found the Stealth GT-R code online as a bonus for the end of the GT Academy & Spec V GT-R Academy car in the Time Trial. I would love to have the other stealth models, since they were never offered as a complete pack in N.A. But after hearing of their lackluster performance, I think $15 is too high for the stealth pack & I already have almost half of it any how. There is faulty logic with the retired guy wanting those who didn't get the CE or SE to pay what he paid a year ago, case in point: a $60 game cost me only $25 after less than a year later. Nobody would pay full price for a game over a year old already or content that's been around equally as long, which half of was given away already & many have complained about it's quality & content. I don't agree with region exclusivity either, everyone should have an opportunity to purchase it, & the prices should rightfully drop after a year or more has passed, or else it will sit on the shelf with the rest of the older games collecting dust, as the new crop of games entertain us.

 

[Borna12345]

The Stealths - yes
The Chrome Lines - nope

 

[HP]

Just out of interest how much extra were the Signature/Collector Editions over the plain Disc?

My Sig Edition with 2x books, wallet, car, 2x sets of stealth codes, USB & Keychain in big sleek case was $295aud... and for that cash I expect to get exclusivity on the included extras or I'll likely never pay that much again.

That's not being elitist either, it's wanting Sony to keep the exclusive stuff exclusive; surely that's not too much to ask when Sony demand top dollar for such releases?

 

[Akwaaba]

My Sig Edition with 2x books, wallet, car, 2x sets of stealth codes, USB & Keychain in big sleek case was $295aud... and for that cash I expect to get exclusivity on the included extras or I'll likely never pay that much again.

That's not being elitist either, it's wanting Sony to keep the exclusive stuff exclusive; surely that's not too much to ask when Sony demand top dollar for such releases?

So how did you feel when people were selling the codes for these on internet auction sites?

 

[grubymike]

I would like to have them!
But whats exclusive its exlusive, and should stay that way! So NO is my choice.

ps.
if you realy want it, theres still some of signatures editions out there to buy with codes valid till December 2012 buy it and enjoy it

 

[HP]

So how did you feel when people were selling the codes for these on internet auction sites?

Not much to be done about it so I paid it little mind... I got 2 lots of codes with mine & I guess others did too hence the number of them on eBay. I shared the love & gave my mate my spare

 

[Raitziger]

If they do ever get released (and I dont think they will) the price shouild be relative to the cost we paid for our discs say 50 dollors for 6 stealth and again the same for the chromelines, remember as they are supposed to be something special .

They would sell about four downloads at those prices. Yes they are supposed to be special, but they really are not. They are mostly just paint jobs.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

I am a CE owner, and I really wouldn't care if stealths and chromelines became available to buy. At least then, I can get the stealths I don't have yet at the expense of everyone else being able to get them. But again, I don't really care about the exclusivity of these cars anymore.

And are some people forgetting about the Apex book, the model car, key chain, and all the other extras, which are still exclusive? Did you really get the CE/SE just for some cars? I know I didn't.

 

[Griffith500]

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So there you go, collectors cars.

And dont go moaning now you want em you had the choice when you purchased the disc's and I dont beleive all this crap about cant afford it or cannot get hold of them, IM retired and money is tight, I didnt buy my game at release so had to do some internet home the find my SE version, and yes they are still avaible to those prepared to hunt for them.

If they do ever get released (and I dont think they will) the price shouild be relative to the cost we paid for our discs say 50 dollors for 6 stealth and again the same for the chromelines, remember as they are supposed to be something special then you should be prepared to pay for that something. Not the smae regular DLC price as this would just not do them justice.
The fact that there stealth/chromeline puts them above all other cars so pay accordingly.

I'm not sure it's fair to judge anybody else's financial decisions. Sure, I could have bought multiple copies of the SE at release (assuming that's even possible / worthwhile regarding the SLS "lottery" etc.). But at the time, I deemed that other things were more important, and over time I became less bothered about the "benefits" altogether, so I forgot about getting hold of one. In that sense, these exclusive cars are really not that important, especially to me. I guess I never really cared about them, I just like the look of the Stealths, really. If they came up in a pack for a reasonable price, I might consider buying them, though. But that's just me.

You didn't pay anything like 50 dollars for the cars; you paid extra for the lottery entry and the other, tangible paraphernalia as already stated. If the current DLC is going for around a dollar per car, then I suspect these are worth about the same (actually less, given they're only derivatives of existing models, like the TCs were: ~50 cents per car, probably still less.) The only thing boosting their "value" is their relative rarity and availability; neither of which would be viewed as substantial justification for over-pricing by everyone.

But the price is irrelevant, because you were prepared to pay it, so what does it matter what price they might be sold at in future?
The first line in your quotation above is really the point, I think. It's odd, though, because in most other things, collections are never permanently "exclusive"; but why should they be exclusive at all?

My Sig Edition with 2x books, wallet, car, 2x sets of stealth codes, USB & Keychain in big sleek case was $295aud... and for that cash I expect to get exclusivity on the included extras or I'll likely never pay that much again.

That's not being elitist either, it's wanting Sony to keep the exclusive stuff exclusive; surely that's not too much to ask when Sony demand top dollar for such releases?

But why do you want them to keep it exclusive? Genuine question.
Equally, if they show up as DLC, I expect there won't be much to be done about that either, but expect there will be plenty of people paying it plenty of mind. And the price is irrelevant, remember; these cars are worth next to nothing in material terms.



Incidentally, I doubt it will ever happen. Imagine the complaints (in the same vein as the TCs, but worse, obviously) if the next batch of DLC is just the Stealth cars!

 

[Rayzah]

I get what you are saying, but do you actually use the cars (This goes for you and everyone with the stealth/chrome line cars)?

I use my stealth cars quite a bit, and used my chromelines when I first started playing, besides what does it matter if I do or not. If you would assume these
cars aren't to be used, then why do you have a desire for them?

And what about the people who couldn't get the collectors/signature edition due to it being sold out, like me?

Hence the whole point of it being a limited edition

 

[Blitz24]

I'm not sure it's fair to judge anybody else's financial decisions. Sure, I could have bought multiple copies of the SE at release (assuming that's even possible / worthwhile regarding the SLS "lottery" etc.). But at the time, I deemed that other things were more important, and over time I became less bothered about the "benefits" altogether, so I forgot about getting hold of one. In that sense, these exclusive cars are really not that important, especially to me. I guess I never really cared about them, I just like the look of the Stealths, really. If they came up in a pack for a reasonable price, I might consider buying them, though. But that's just me.

You didn't pay anything like 50 dollars for the cars; you paid extra for the lottery entry and the other, tangible paraphernalia as already stated. If the current DLC is going for around a dollar per car, then I suspect these are worth about the same (actually less, given they're only derivatives of existing models, like the TCs were: ~50 cents per car, probably still less.) The only thing boosting their "value" is their relative rarity and availability; neither of which would be viewed as substantial justification for over-pricing by everyone.

But the price is irrelevant, because you were prepared to pay it, so what does it matter what price they might be sold at in future?
The first line in your quotation above is really the point, I think. It's odd, though, because in most other things, collections are never permanently "exclusive"; but why should they be exclusive at all?



But why do you want them to keep it exclusive? Genuine question.
Equally, if they show up as DLC, I expect there won't be much to be done about that either, but expect there will be plenty of people paying it plenty of mind. And the price is irrelevant, remember; these cars are worth next to nothing in material terms.



Incidentally, I doubt it will ever happen. Imagine the complaints (in the same vein as the TCs, but worse, obviously) if the next batch of DLC is just the Stealth cars!

If its just the stealth cars it would be received with a huge amount of complaints due to the new DLC being relatively pointless as some members already purchased it. PD is likely looking to sell future DLC as something that everyone WOULD or WOULD WANT TO buy (maximizing profit). Selling something that could be 10-20% already purchased and could be frowned upon by some members who want completely new cars as opposed to cars already available.

It doesn't suit PD well (if they are looking to make money) to sell something which was originally sold as an "exclusive" while they have future DLC already planned (or requested) that more people would be willing to buy.

If the Chromelines and/or Stealths were to become DLC, the earliest I would anticipate them (if it was in my decision) would be as the final DLC for GT5. This has nothing to do with elitism.

 

[Griffith500]

If its just the stealth cars it would be received with a huge amount of complaints due to the new DLC being relatively pointless as some members already purchased it. PD is likely looking to sell future DLC as something that everyone WOULD or WOULD WANT TO buy (maximizing profit). Selling something that could be 10-20% already purchased and could be frowned upon by some members who want completely new cars as opposed to cars already available.

It doesn't suit PD well (if they are looking to make money) to sell something which was originally sold as an "exclusive" while they have future DLC already planned (or requested) that more people would be willing to buy.

If the Chromelines and/or Stealths were to become DLC, the earliest I would anticipate them (if it was in my decision) would be as the final DLC for GT5. This has nothing to do with elitism.

No, and it's not the point either. "How would you feel about..."
I already stated how unlikely it would be.

 

[dtn23]

I already have the McLaren F1, NSX, and GTR stealth and the GameStop NASCAR. But I'd gladly pay for the stealth SLS and 787b. Don't so much care about the chrome lines.

 

[Tornado]

If they do ever get released (and I dont think they will) the price shouild be relative to the cost we paid for our discs say 50 dollors for 6 stealth and again the same for the chromelines, remember as they are supposed to be something special then you should be prepared to pay for that something. Not the smae regular DLC price as this would just not do them justice.

I dunno about you, but when I bought my CE I got a hell of a lot more with it than a little card with the unlock code on it.



Similarly:

Nope. Hope it never happens. A few already came out and peeved me off. Even $15 isn't worth it. Signature edition was very very expensive. $200 more than normal editions in my country. A $200 DLC would be in my books.

You didn't pay $200 for some barely modified versions of cars already in the game. That wasn't anywhere near the only thing that came with the Signature Edition.

I'm an avid baseball collector, so I'll use this as an analogy:
Let's say upper deck runs a promo for a Frank Thomas collection set, limited to 1,000 pieces, only available through pre-order. It comes with an autographed card, a piece of his helmet, and a piece of his jersey from his world series game. Only people privy to these items are the preorderers. The autographed cards, however, are inserted into production packs.
Well after six months, they realize the set sold so well, and have a bunch of other pieces leftover, they start selling bits of it to anyone who will pay the price they charge. Well now my collection seems a bit drab, and it's rarity has lost it's appeal and value.

DLC unlock codes are not tangible, and thus have no value or rarity. When PD starts giving out the other stuff that came with the CE/SE/LE, then we can talk.

Not sure why this negative approach is needed.

Then tell me what it is. Everyone paid for the Stealth and Chromeline cars. Everyone. They are all included on all of the game discs. They were developed alongside the game. Everyone's $60 (or whatever) paid for their development. PD making them exclusive to certain people doesn't change that. The extra money that the various special editions cost mostly went towards the feelies that were included or (as is usually the case) padded PD's profits more.


So tell me why not even allowing people the option to pay for them again, which is all the people who bought the CE/LE/SE did in the first place, is not being elitist. And tell me why these cars are apparently so special that if PD does release them they have to charge the difference in price between the regular editions and the various special ones, as if there was nothing else included in those version to justify the extra costs. Not that you have been saying that, but I honestly can't understand where the logic of that is coming from, so I'd like some help.

 

[TankAss95]

The Stealths - yes
The Chrome Lines - nope

I agree.
As I've said before, I have both the stealth F1 and 787B. I absolutely love the things and I wish I could have the other stealth cars. Chrome lines don't really concern me.

 

[MustangCobra95]

I use my stealth cars quite a bit, and used my chromelines when I first started playing, besides what does it matter if I do or not. If you would assume these
cars aren't to be used, then why do you have a desire for them?



Hence the whole point of it being a limited edition

I'm just saying if you don't use those cars, why would you buy the Signature Edition in the first place? And it matters because I actually use my Stealth Cars a lot and it wouldn't be fair to someone else if you have the Signature/Collectors Edition and didn't use your bonus content at all. That's basically just burning a copy of the Sig Edition that someone could have bought but you did first.

Nice smartass remark by the way. I hate people that do that. 👎