POLL - YES/ MAD NO/don't care about NO ONLINE MODE

[Apclps]

Look at the facts and think about it :

- because of this move, GT4 will come out a lot earlier
- they didn't lie, there still will be an online version
- accurate real-time online racing is still a very laggy thing these days, this probably will ruin the GT experience.
- the game will kick some major a$$ anways. think about the cars, the tracks, the graphics, etc.

Plenty of spoiled people keep on nagging for no reason...

 

[j_]

You obviousely have'nt read many of my posts about people believing them too much. I just think you and everyone else moaning about getting GT4 this year instead of next are being stupid. Yes it's childish, you can speak your mind without being childish you know, it is possible. PD haven't screwed anyone, we all know a games specs can change at any time and GT4's have. You believed too much of the hype, and that also makes you a fool, the more hype you believe the more you will be let down when it gets here.

i'm not the one who resorts to calling other people stupid, childish and 7 years old my friend. you just proved to everyone reading this that you fit the description better than i do. I merely voiced my opinion saying i wasn't going to buy GT4 to show them how i respond to their broken promises, but i guess that's childish and stupid to you.

i shouldn't believe all the hype and that makes me a fool, huh? well how do you know that next years online mode isn't just hype? let me guess, "because Kaz said so?".
who's the real fool then.

 

[Soman]

I wont be suprised if there never comes GT 4 + Online or whatever Online just as GT4 The ULTIMATE online racing never got Online play

 

[Dave A]

Pointing out the way other people are acting is not childish, I said "I just think you and everyone else moaning about getting GT4 this year instead of next are being stupid", an that you can speak your mind without being childish, ie PD have screwed us, so screw them blah blah, I have no idea what next years online ode will be like, I'd like to know, but what I do know is I'd rather get GT4 offline now rather than wait until next year when the online mode is done to get it. The online mode is coming no matter how good/bad it is, and theres never been any hype from PD regarding the online mode, KY has always played it down. If anything Sony has made a big boob on this one, since it was them who really pushed the ideas for the online mode, and it's backfired. Obviousely, either GT4's game engine is doing too much behind the scenes for it to be stable online, or PD has no one capable of building good online code at this point in time, there nothing you can do about it. Moaning doesn't work.

Your trying to make me the fool but your the one who's anded up so dissapointed you said this " i'm angred, and will not be buying any incarnation of gt4, online or not. they screw me, i screw them right back. if this huge dissapointment wont have a negative effect on their sales they will keep screwing people because they figure we will take it bent over forever, enough is enough already." And as I said, thats not the kind of commnet a mature person makes, neither is your last. As for not buying GT4, as I said, which you obviousely didn't read, thats up to you, but your the only one who will lose out by missing a great game. End of discussion.

 

[The359]

if you can't see that the fact that "japan and europe" networks has NOTHING to do with the fact that they didn't even have anything done when it came to actually implementing the newtwork code then you're obviously as stupid as they get.

Are you claiming you know how far PD got into coding the online capabilities for GT4? Because nowhere in the article does it claim that, and you don't work for PD. Your entire post is moot.

 

[The359]

They can go and get ****ed, the only reason i bought broadband nearly a year ago was cause i've been waiting for gt4 online since then.

**** THEM

Sorry but i actually have friends and wouldn't mind going "ay lad drift comp tonight" instead of going "ay lad drift comp tonight" only in the second instance there's a chance i'll crash my real car


I wouldn't care if it was delayed another six months, i wouldn't care if they ****ed off evetything else and just made 600 cars, 30 tracks, and online play, **** the licence tests and all that, and no i don't want some **** add on, this isn't some **** pc game, is supposed to be a console game, where you get the whole package in one not where you get screwed.

Wait, wait, you buy broadband a whole year before the game comes out, meaning its going to waste just sitting there for a year, and then say that you can't possibly wait a while longer to use your dust covered broadband system?

 

[GrF.:satan-san:]

but maybe a LAN feature lol

Sony change your politics and launch PS3 with the GT4(5) online .... lol

just one year and will all are playing with PS3



ps2
release NIPPON 4 march 2000 so today its 4 years and 6 months some days....
" " AMERICA octopussy 2000 like above
" " EUROPE novm 2000 like above

so Ps2 was presented 99 at the END of 99 , few months later ( 4 march 2000 ) ..well
the story you know all how it further goes... lol

so next year @ E3 presentation thats true , we hope .... few months before SONY will make ownSHow ( like at 99 ) , they say here EUROPE it will be in SEPTEMBER 2004 , maybe they mean TOKYO game show , but its not a Sony only Show....

i think until Christmas , we will be surprised any many ways ......

so cu ONLINE ( LAN ) in GT4

a link with all movies from GT4 ( TOKYO :

http://www.gamefront.de/

 

[GTXLR]

Can anyone decipher this post---^^^

Lastly, look people the poll says most people don’t care about online mode so maybe you guys shouldn’t. Go find a new hobby guys and wait 6 months until the final online portion gets released.

Personally I would say that 37% of people voting Mad about it is quite a high percentage considering the proportion of people that have actually got Their PS2 online.

There are also those who dont have net access and have never tried it who simply dont no what there missing to take into consideration.

The online mode is coming no matter how good/bad it is, and theres never been any hype from PD regarding the online mode, KY has always played it down. If anything Sony has made a big boob on this one, since it was them who really pushed the ideas for the online mode, and it's backfired.

Not sure how long youve been following KYs vision for GT4, But way back in the early concept for the game during the end developement of GT3, He announced his vision for the next GT, He was extremely hyped about the direction he would be taking GT in the online world, so im not sure Sony had to do much arm twisting there.
KY seems to have become disillusioned with his atttempts to get it working properly, but to say its coming no matter how good/bad it is is nonsense.
There is no way We will see it if its Still bad, if he had that attitude we would have it now.

 

[Mr.Kwik]

Is that addressed to me? If it is, it is an utterly stupid question. How is anybody supposed to know what 92 anonymous internet users have or haven't done? Nobody is a mind reader and neither are you. I think you can answer that question yourself.

No, this wasn't addressed to you! I don't know what you found offensive about asking if anyone who said "no" had linked up. The main reason for the question is that most people here have never expeirenced racing against another human except for mabye that split screen stuff. It is so much fun to race against five of your friends, Hell, we have all bought the stupid NASCAR 2005 so we can meet and race online. That is fun even with four people it's a blast if everyone is a good clean driver. If EA sports can do it I know Sony can! The club I am in have alot of money tied up in the game room and was HIGHLY anticipating the new online version. Everyone of us have a driving force pro, a racing pod (cockpit) individule T.V, PS2, GT3 and was promised the online version of GT4. So that's why we are preturbed about this whole deal. Most of us have the same set up at home just to practice on, that's not to mention paying pretty good monthly bills for T1 connections! I attached a file of my lonley practice pod. Without GT4 I guess I'll put it out in the garage.

 

[9mm]

If i had network adapter i'd vote the mad option.
But i'm not having one, nor i was planigh to bouy it, so i don't care.

 

[TurboLevin2NV]

Pointing out the way other people are acting is not childish, I said "I just think you and everyone else moaning about getting GT4 this year instead of next are being stupid", an that you can speak your mind without being childish, ie PD have screwed us, so screw them blah blah, I have no idea what next years online ode will be like, I'd like to know, but what I do know is I'd rather get GT4 offline now rather than wait until next year when the online mode is done to get it. The online mode is coming no matter how good/bad it is, and theres never been any hype from PD regarding the online mode, KY has always played it down. If anything Sony has made a big boob on this one, since it was them who really pushed the ideas for the online mode, and it's backfired. Obviousely, either GT4's game engine is doing too much behind the scenes for it to be stable online, or PD has no one capable of building good online code at this point in time, there nothing you can do about it. Moaning doesn't work.

Your trying to make me the fool but your the one who's anded up so dissapointed you said this " i'm angred, and will not be buying any incarnation of gt4, online or not. they screw me, i screw them right back. if this huge dissapointment wont have a negative effect on their sales they will keep screwing people because they figure we will take it bent over forever, enough is enough already." And as I said, thats not the kind of commnet a mature person makes, neither is your last. As for not buying GT4, as I said, which you obviousely didn't read, thats up to you, but your the only one who will lose out by missing a great game. End of discussion.

I got angry with what he was saying to you and I was about to B*tch him out until I read your last post. You did it for me good stuff

 

[Bahbo]

I was going to race online, but I am not mad about it, so there is no option for me on the poll.

 

[spawn9999999]

WHY DOSEN'T ANYONE GET IT?????? If LAN play is available, then an online mode wil be possible via a computer. How hard is it to download some software and plug yur PS2 into your computer? Seriously, much can be done and I'm sure a couple of weeks after GT4 comes out, hundreds of people will be ding this already. Why is no one listening? YOU WILL BE ABLE TO PLAY ONLINE THROUGH YOUR COMPUTER!!!!!!!!!!!! Stop crying already.

 

[scoobyonline200]

No online mode, sure its dissapointing after all the hype and hopes they gave me, and us if Im not alone on this. But if taking more time to perfect this mode is required and will result in not having this just yet, then fine. I think its better for them to take as much time as they can to perfect this mode rather than give us a crappy online mode that will cause alot of people to be very mad and complain about how crappy it is. So in many ways if more time is needed to make the mode better and good, then cool just wish they would have seen this or figured this out before they said GT4 was gonna be online, that way all of us wouldnt have had our hopes up. Still GT4 is gonna be awesome!!

 

[Shannon]

this post is titled "are you mad as hell or do you not care about online play", and you tell those who are pissed off about it and speak their opinions to stop clogging up the forum?
maybe it's you who shouldn't be in this thread if you won't want to hear it...

myself: i'm angred, and will not be buying any incarnation of gt4, online or not. they screw me, i screw them right back. if this huge dissapointment wont have a negative effect on their sales they will keep screwing people because they figure we will take it bent over forever, enough is enough already. 👎

Meh. I rarely ever visit the GT forums because everyone focuses on the negative side of the game and complains about the smallest things. If Polyphony didn't even mention online play you wouldn't be complaining about not having it now would you? Game developers come up with a lot ideas, but not all of them can be executed due to time restraints. Why don't you think about that before saying Polyphony 'screwed you'... you're a self-centered child who thinks the whole world revolves around you.

 

[ALPHA]

Looky here, from the translators mouth. Listen closely children and don't say we didn't tell you so. Ok?

mms://a1973.m.akastream.net/7/1973/5372/1/gamespot.download.akamai.com/5372/netshow/gslive/300k/gt4_0924m5.asf

 

[SaintKamus]

Because other racers that are as good as and even better than games like GT3 are online, games like GTR and Forza will now have a big edge over GT4, however we all need to remeber GT is still going online next year.

yeah, and we all need to remember that even if it does get released(wich is highly doubtful), we are faced with these issues:

-You have spent 30 bucks on Prologue, 60 Bucks in GT4, and will have to spend again, 40-60 bucks just to get online funcionality.

-You won't find nearly as many players as you would've if it was included in the original GT4 to begin with.

-People that got "sold" with the idea of network play and went out and bought a network adapter just for that game suddenly made a useless investment (this is a lot more people than you think). same goes for Driving Force PRO users (i bought this one myself... it's a good thing it also works on the PC, or there go 150 down the drain, but for people that don't use it on the PC... we'll, i'm sorry for them)

The fact is it's very irresponsable to taut online functions and then take them out at the last minute, they had 4 years to implement a robust feature set, but they just didn't care for online play enough to do it.
KY's main concern was that the lag would "ruin the GT experience", because of the "jumpy, laggy cars".
this is a legitimate concern, but a PS10 can come out and we're still gonna be faced with the limiting factor: the speed of light, nothing can change that.
there are alternatives for people that would have lagg issues, a lot of games use those alternatives and they work flawlessly, KY either didn't have the vision to see those features (doubtful, you can check some of my older threads to see how alternative modes would work if you're intrested at all), or he thinks that if he can't get the "true" mode then he'd rather have us not play the game at all, i think that's for the players to decide, all he had to do is warn users of the potential problems before entering a network game.

so ok.. so he doesn't have an online mode yet, and decided that he'll release a new version with online features (wich by the way, they better be a LOT of features if they plan to sell the same game again just for that).
ok.. cool, so they will release a game (again, this is not even confirmed, chances are we won't ever see it, be realistic.) with lots of online features.. if they're going to do that, why don't they just include a very basic online mode for GT4? i know the network code is done, they've said it themselves. they could just include a basic mode and warn people of how limited it is and that it's only included so that players have an option, but that they don't recomend using it (hell, it could even be a hidden option if they REALLY didn't want the avarage joe touching it).
so lets see:
30 bucks for prologue, 50-60 for GT4, 150 for a DFP (this is of course optional, but i know a lot of people that bought this JUST so they could play online, myself included!), 50 bucks for a network adapter just for GT4 (most people that bought this adapter for GT4 won't ever play any other game trough it). This last one people got because online play was confirmed, so it was supposed to be a sure thing.. and now.. a final 60 bucks to make those things worth it (Gt4 online, assuming it wlil ever get released).

why do i think it will probably never be released? easy, because such game didn't exist a few weeks from today (i'd go as far as saying a WEEK from today!)

If they were serious about such game they would've actually given people some details on it, specially important ones like this:

Is it an add on?
is it the full game just with online as a bonus?
How much will it cost either way?
what are some of the features?

why do i think it's important that they at least gave us such details? because that way people would be able to see if they want to wait for that version, or just go get it in december (if it's an addon, people would get it in december, if it was a full game, people like me would just wait it out).
there are a number of reasons they didn't give any of the details.

some could be:

-They don't even know themselves, because they just thought of it.
-They know, but they won't say so they won't hurt sales in december (assuming it was a full game.
-the game is just an idea, if GT4 sells well, they might not even release it at all (this is why the announcement is not official.), and in that case, they'll just go ahead and finish the PSP version instead, and then when the new developer kits for the PS3 arrive they'll get working on that instead (this is a VERY realistic posiblity, because of the time it will take to develop a game for that, should be more than any previous GT.)

In the nd, GT4 might end up being the most expensive game ever for online GT fans, and they might not even get it.

 

[ALPHA]

You have spent 30 bucks on Prologue, 60 Bucks in GT4, and will have to spend again, 40-60 bucks just to get online funcionality.

Who said you had to buy Prologue and now purchase GT4 and GT4 online? You don't have to, you have a choice.

You won't find nearly as many players as you would've if it was included in the original GT4 to begin with.

Well by players do you mean the type of people like you who continuously whinge whenever you don't get your way? Are you going to ram opponents and wallride your way to victory like a cheat?

People that got "sold" with the idea of network play and went out and bought a network adapter just for that game suddenly made a useless investment (this is a lot more people than you think). same goes for Driving Force PRO users (i bought this one myself... it's a good thing it also works on the PC, or there go 150 down the drain, but for people that don't use it on the PC... we'll, i'm sorry for them)

They haven't made a useless investment GT4 Online is coming next year, nothing has gone to waste. Nobody made them go out a buy a network adapter straight away, it was their own choice. Ok you can use the DFP on PS2 and PC, how is it money down the drain when people don't use it on the PC when you say they can? Choice.

The fact is it's very irresponsable to taut online functions and then take them out at the last minute, they had 4 years to implement a robust feature set, but they just didn't care for online play enough to do it.

Infact PD care so much about online play they have delayed it until next year because of the limited infrastructure avaliable to support it. PD don't want to give you a crappy online experience full of twice as many bugs, glitches and lag as there could be. Patience.

KY's main concern was that the lag would "ruin the GT experience", because of the "jumpy, laggy cars".

No, it was the limited infrastructure of Sony's online network, not the lag. KY would've said something if it were the lag.

This is a legitimate concern, but a PS10 can come out and we're still gonna be faced with the limiting factor: the speed of light, nothing can change that.

You never know we might be flying around in hover cars by the time PS10 comes out, mind you the PS10 will basically be a Sony computer so it doesn't matter. I think you should starting thinking about your own limits and stop thinking online mode is all about you. It isn't. It is about us, the Gran Turismo community as a whole and what is best for us. Not what is best for you.

All he had to do is warn users of the potential problems before entering a network game.

No, but you would be left with people fighting and bickering over how bad the online experience is. PD want quality and not to rush it. They are perfecting it. In actual fact they have finished the online mode. PD are waiting on the online server infrastructure to get updated to properly support it.

so ok.. so he doesn't have an online mode yet, and decided that he'll release a new version with online features (wich by the way, they better be a LOT of features if they plan to sell the same game again just for that).
ok.. cool, so they will release a game (again, this is not even confirmed, chances are we won't ever see it, be realistic.) with lots of online features.. if they're going to do that, why don't they just include a very basic online mode for GT4? i know the network code is done, they've said it themselves. they could just include a basic mode and warn people of how limited it is and that it's only included so that players have an option, but that they don't recomend using it (hell, it could even be a hidden option if they REALLY didn't want the avarage joe touching it).

They don't want to give us a bad expeience although they have completed the online mode. Am I to say it again? PD is waiting on Sony to improve its server network, there is no point in providing an online mode than doesn't work. KY himself said from his mouth an online version will be released next year. Wait. Can you not tolerate this wait? I think you need to walk away from your PS2 and computer and go outside where there is light and fresh air. Go clear your head, all your posts have been the same points just dragged up again and again. Listen to us. Listen, or can you incapable of doing that?

so lets see: 30 bucks for prologue, 50-60 for GT4, 150 for a DFP (this is of course optional, but i know a lot of people that bought this JUST so they could play online, myself included!), 50 bucks for a network adapter just for GT4 (most people that bought this adapter for GT4 won't ever play any other game trough it). This last one people got because online play was confirmed, so it was supposed to be a sure thing.. and now.. a final 60 bucks to make those things worth it (Gt4 online, assuming it wlil ever get released).

Nobody is making you buy all those things, people have choices, so do you SaintKamus. You don't have to have a DFP, online adapater, Prologue or even GT4 Online. People can choose what they want, the amount of money involved is rather irrelevant here.

why do i think it will probably never be released? easy, because such game didn't exist a few weeks from today (i'd go as far as saying a WEEK from today!)

Right, rephrase that one mate.

If they were serious about such game they would've actually given people some details on it.

The announcement of leaving out online mode was obviously a very last minute event. Details are very sketchy as of the moment, when GT4 was first previewed way back in 2002, did people have any idea it would include a Photomode, B-Spec mode, over 650 cars and 50 tracks? No. Kazunori didn't even think so himself.

why do i think it's important that they at least gave us such details?

No it is because you are very upset and you think you know everything but you don't. Keep dreaming, so how about instead of whinging about online you go outside and enjoy the fresh air, or fly to the moon. You have a choice.

 

[The359]

GT4 Prologue was a preview, you knew it and everyone knew it. If you spent your precious money on it, then you made the choice. I don't need GT4P in order to enjoy GT4.

Not only that but you do not know the cost of GT4 Online Add-On, nore can you assume that it's going to be roughly 40-60, especially when GT4P cost must less, and that wasn't a full game.

And those who want to play online are going to buy it anyway. So the number of people online will be the same, EXCEPT that it will weed out the young newbies who shouldn't be racing online anyway.

You're wasting your time arguing SaintKamus. Arguing will not get you online mode, it will not make anyone else hate the lack of online mode. So go ahead, cancel your order for the game, go buy something else, NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR OPINION ON THE MATTER ANYMORE.

 

[Sambert]

NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR OPINION ON THE MATTER ANYMORE.

Have we ever cared about his juvenile rants. As for PD duping people into purchasing network adapters, Kazunori has always flagged his doubts about the ability for quality online racing. His view was that online functionality would be more about community, car talk and the like. The great man doesn’t fancy 30 frames and neither should anybody who is serious about their racing…

 

[Nemo2]

I'm not mad at all, I'm actually happy, this means 150 extra cars and a more polished game. YAY!

 

[N.J.]

If what everything I hear about the Gran Turismo series is true (physics, accuracy, attention to detail, its a SIM...not arcade crap etc. etc.) then I'd buy GT4 for the Nordschliefe Nurburgring circuit and McLaren F1 alone!


p.s

To me everything else is a bonus. (online mode not included - I don't care)

 

[vipersan]

N.J.: nicely put. I would buy it also just for the nordschleife. To drive announced 650 cars on it is a great bonus. Online is not required.

If you want to play GT4 Online, youl get it in 2005 - as it is supposed to be released. We, who don't care about online, will get it sooner. So what.

I am just upset, because I don't doubt, that 2005 release with Online mode will also have other improvenets (other cars, maybe a track or two or something else) and as a GT series fan, will have to buy it.

 

[Cosmic]

and will have to spend again, 40-60 bucks just to get online funcionality.

For the last time! Do you want to get GT4 in of 2005?
I don't! I'll be still happy without the online play!
Get it! Don't you have a life , you will not get it

 

[Mr.Kwik]

I think the SAINT is like most of us who has taken the game one step further. If you still use a controller, haven't took the time to build or buy a pod (cockpit) ,only play one day a week, havent bought high speed internet (just for GT4), havent bought the network adapter,haven't bought a DFP, yada yada yada. See there are alot of us who live for competitive racing whether it be in a real car or in the best game ever made (GT3 because of link mode). I myself have raced at our local track all summer and figured during the off season I would race against real humans on GT4, This obviously won't be the case. I will though buy the new GT4 only in hopes of getting used to driving the different courses and getting the feel for the new cars and added physics, so when the online comes out which I have a gut feeling it will never surface I will be ready to race the serious racers like my freind SAINT. Oh and if any of you haven't you need to check out FORZA on the Xbox they have done what sony couldn't and they have built a game that is predicted to bump the GT series off of the #1 spot in a console sim game. So far I like what I have read, their only problem I can see is that they dont (to my knowledge) have a FF wheel that compares to the DFP. Now before you go rattling about me saying it might bump sony off of the podeum, I think it will do them some good and us the buyer not to mention to have some real competition. I know they can't hold a candle to Microsoft when it comes to online play. I have Xbox Live and it's awesome we just need a race sim to play on it.

 

[GTXLR]

I'm not mad at all, I'm actually happy, this means 150 extra cars and a more polished game. YAY!

you think PD are magically going to add another 150 cars because they removed online?

On a side note.
I really feel quite sorry that all those here who trash the idea of GT online, I cant believe so many of you would prefer to hide away and play the game on your own, hiding all your triumphs, mistakes an incidents in your own secluded world.
To me racing is about interaction, its about seeing how others perform in comparison to your self.

I hope Sony do finally make an effort to get their networks upto scratch and the Online element finally sees a release.
As 650+ cars 50+ tracks and a world of GT players will make a far more interesting game.

 

[9mm]

I'm glad i don't own an X-Box, nor a Ps2 network adapter.
It's just me, my DFP, Nordschleife and 650+ cars.

All this GTvs.Forza or no online discussion has no meanig to me.

 

[GTXLR]

I'm glad i don't own an X-Box, nor a Ps2 network adapter.
It's just me, my DFP, Nordschleife and 650+ cars.

All this GTvs.Forza or no online discussion has no meanig to me.

Just You!
In your solitary gaming world, the same way its been for all of us for over 25 years.

Things have moved on from this, and in the next year or so, and especially next gen, this will all have changed, It will be all about online, gaming without any online elements will be much less common.
Will Sony and PD be able to compete, when they are obviously so far behind.

 

[vipersan]

Have to agre with 9mm .. just give me the Ring and cars. I don't mind the online mode, but won't use it in GT4. Have PC for that, sorry. As long as I get my hands on GT4 soon, because GT3 second time is not so fun anymore, drifting is the only thing that makes my heart racing.

And yes, I play quite a lot, have build my own cockpit, use momo force with moded pedals with clutch or DFP. It's heaven. All I need now is the game .

 

[_aj]

Hmm online is playing against real people all over the world, ok it's fine to race alone or with a mate but come on 6 humans battling for position, closing the door on each other, late breaking etc.. bascially being unpredictable. That's what makes for a fun race racing against real people, if you've never tried online racing don't say you wouldn't use it or don't think it's a major loss cause it is. All of you that are hatrdcore racers I would expect to hear some complaint about the lack of online as you race against like paced people and there's more of a challenge, PD is never going to make the AI better than a human.

So before you start saying no and I don't care, try racing online with TOCA, GTR (when it's out) or even Live for Speed and I'm sure you'll open your curtains, let in the light, open your eyes and see a much bigger and better racing world.