Porsche VGT, it would be cool...

[Kobhalt]

My Porsche VGT would be this one...

 

[Mr Grumpy]

My Porsche VGT would be this one...
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Very nice, not over the top just spot on.

 

[JKgo]

My Porsche VGT would be this one...
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[RACECAR]

I don't know how you can say that it's a 918 when everything is different except the wheel design.

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Did you read anything in that post I quoted? Again, its been altered to achieve its look so naturally it doesn't look exactly like a stock 918. It still has the top mounted Exhausts and the curves on the wheel arches, the rest of it is just altered to achieve is look. Its a 918 with many of its portions altered while many of its elements are still there. I don't understand how anyone doesn't see this, I've seen this sort of alteration all the time on sketches and drawings.

 

[JR98]

I'd love a racing version of this as a Porsche VGT

 

[eran0004]

Did you read anything in that post I quoted? Again, its been altered to achieve its look so naturally it doesn't look exactly like a stock 918. It still has the top mounted Exhausts and the curves on the wheel arches, the rest of it is just altered to achieve is look. Its a 918 with many of its portions altered while many of its elements are still there. I don't understand how anyone doesn't see this, I've seen this sort of alteration all the time on sketches and drawings.

If you take a fuel cap from a Ford GT and put it on your Focus it doesn't turn the Focus into a modified GT.

 

[Scuderia Paul]

That 919 Langheck posted by @Smokey Nismo looks great.

 

[RACECAR]

If you take a fuel cap from a Ford GT and put it on your Focus it doesn't turn the Focus into a modified GT.

Does your response have to require silly exaggeration like that every time someone disagrees with you?

I'm not just looking at parts like that, I'm looking at the structure of the greenhouse, the lines that flow in front and behind the wheels, the space between the wheels. I'm looking at more then a fuel cap.

 

[eran0004]

Does your response have to require silly exaggeration like that every time someone disagrees with you?

I'm not just looking at parts like that, I'm looking at the structure of the greenhouse, the lines that flow in front and behind the wheels, the space between the wheels. I'm looking at more then a fuel cap.

It's not a silly exaggeration. You say it's the same car, because it has three very similar details: Fuel cap, wheel design and the exhaust on top of the car (although the actual exhaust design is different).

Everything else is different, and you say that it's because it has been altered. By the same criteria, taking the fuel cap from a Ford GT and putting it on a Ford Focus would make the Focus a heavily modified GT, because it shares some details with the GT, thus the Focus is just a GT with some alterations made to it.

As for the space between the wheels, three wheels in length is a default proportion used in a lot of car designs:

Take another look, this is not just "not completely stock", it's a different car. You can't make the 918 look like the design drawing without replacing the entire car.

 

[Nessy]

I'm not just looking at parts like that, I'm looking at the structure of the greenhouse, the lines that flow in front and behind the wheels, the space between the wheels. I'm looking at more then a fuel cap.

All of which are different.

 

[TexRex]

If I were the one responsible for the "918" "VGT" image, I dare say I would be pleased to find out that there are people (well, person seems to be the more appropriate word) out there who believe I modified an existing image rather than pulling the whole thing out of thin air. On one hand, it implies the surface rendering is on par with the photograph, and on the other, modification (and I do mean modification, as the differences are many) seems like the far more daunting task.

That 919 Langheck posted by @Smokey Nismo looks great.

Seconded.

 

[RACECAR]

It's not a silly exaggeration. You say it's the same car, because it has three very similar details: Fuel cap, wheel design and the exhaust on top of the car (although the actual exhaust design is different). Everything else is different, and you say that it's because it has been altered. By the same criteria, taking the fuel cap from a Ford GT and putting it on a Ford Focus would make the Focus a heavily modified GT, because it shares some details with the GT, thus the Focus is just a GT with some alterations made.

Except its not even close to what I'm saying, therefore its exaggerated. I'm saying its based on a 918 because of how all those elements come together, not just because they are there. I pointed out three specific elements as well as mentioned the similar lines which start at identical points of the stock 918 and are elongated beyond those points (thus my argument of those being altered), which is not in the same vein as blindly stating a focus is a modified Ford GT just because it has a Ford GT cap and nothing else. Anyone who actually thinks that is beyond stupid (and is probably the same person that thinks a Honda Civic with a Bugatti Badge is a Bugatti)

.You can't make the 918 look like the design drawing without replacing the entire car.

Not really. Its possible to do something like that for real. Here's the best example of making a car into something else done with a real car.


Ferrari Enzo:

Maserati MC12:

Same chassis, engine, Greenhouse and even the mounting points for said engine are the same. This is the kind of alteration I'm talking about, something you simply can't achieve by slapping a Supercar gas cap on a Hatchback

 

[TexRex]

I'm saying its based on a 918 because of how all those elements come together, not just because they are there.

Okay, just so that everyone viewing this discussion is perfectly clear on what you mean by "based on," are you saying that A) the end result is a 'shopped image based on an existing image of the Porsche 918 Spyder, or that B) the person responsible for the end result took cues (even if that meant directly transferring them over) from the Porsche 918 Spyder when creating (and I mean just that, whereas a 'shopped image may not be a creation but rather an alteration) the end result?

A) 'Shopped existing image.
B) Own artistic expression with borrowed styling cues.

If you're inclined to believe A is the more likely scenario, do us all (everyone following this discussion) and check out the artist's blog to decide whether there's evidence to back that belief.

 

[RACECAR]

Okay, just so that everyone viewing this discussion is perfectly clear on what you mean by "based on," are you saying that A) the end result is a 'shopped image based on an existing image of the Porsche 918 Spyder, or that B) the person responsible for the end result took cues (even if that meant directly transferring them over) from the Porsche 918 Spyder when creating (and I mean just that, whereas a 'shopped image may not be a creation but rather an alteration) the end result?

A) 'Shopped existing image.
B) Own artistic expression with styling cues.

If you're inclined to believe A is the more likely scenario, do us all (everyone following this discussion) and check out the artist's blog to decide whether there's evidence to back that belief.

B of course, that's what I've been saying.

Also, I'm the one that asked him that question

 

[TexRex]

B of course, that's what I've been saying.

Then I'm in absolute agreement with you, but I'll also say that this view hasn't been clear.

 

[Nessy]

B of course, that's what I've been saying.

Also, I'm the one that asked him that question

Err no.. You said he's based it on the 918.

He hasn't, he's just used some Porsche DNA.

 

[RACECAR]

Err no.. You said he's based it on the 918.

He hasn't, he's just used some Porsche DNA.

I never said that. I said it was based on the 918 (note that I didn't say he based it on the 918, I said that before I asked him).

Not sure why people are so against the idea that its based on the 918. Personally, it looks to me like its a Modified Porsche 918 with reprofiled lines and the three elements you mentioned (as well as the top mounted Exhausts, a trait exclusive to the 918). Basically, its a 918 Long tail as far as I can work out and I don't see or have a problem with that.

Nowhere in there do I say he said that.

I decided (since surprisingly no one bothered to do it) to ask him and that's when he said it was just inspired by past racing Porsches and he included modern Porsche DNA.

 

[Nessy]

I never said that. I said it was based on the 918 (note that I didn't say he said it, which means I said that before I asked him). I decided (since surprisingly no one bothered to do it) to ask him and that's when he said it was just inspired by past racing Porsches and he included modern Porsche DNA.

I didn't say that you said he said it. I said that you said it was based on the 918.

 

[RACECAR]

I didn't say that you said he said it. I said that you said it was based on the 918.

Edited the post, made abit a screw up on my phone.

 

[R5]

The tail is way too long, like... waaaaaaaay too long.

 

[RACECAR]

The tail is way too long, like... waaaaaaaay too long.

Never seen the Porsche 907 or 908? That's kinda the idea behind this.

 

[R5]

Never seen the Porsche 907 or 908? That's kinda the idea behind this.

So... I'm supposed to like it because it's retro-pastiche?

 

[RACECAR]

So... I'm supposed to like it because it's retro-pastiche?

Didn't say that, just telling you that's the reason for why it looks like that.

 

[TexRex]

the reason for why it looks like that

The render may be longer from the trailing edge of the rear tire, but I'd wager the 907 is longer from the rear axle centerline--the 907 had massive rear tires.

 

[R5]

Didn't say that, just telling you that's the reason for why it looks like that.

I know why, that doesn't really affect the fact that it is too long.

Having said that, it could be the unflattering angle making it seem massive.

 

[TexRex]

Too long for what?

 

[eran0004]

Except its not even close to what I'm saying, therefore its exaggerated. I'm saying its based on a 918 because of how all those elements come together, not just because they are there. I pointed out three specific elements as well as mentioned the similar lines which start at identical points of the stock 918 and are elongated beyond those points (thus my argument of those being altered), which is not in the same vein as blindly stating a focus is a modified Ford GT just because it has a Ford GT cap and nothing else. Anyone who actually thinks that is beyond stupid (and is probably the same person that thinks a Honda Civic with a Bugatti Badge is a Bugatti)



Not really. Its possible to do something like that for real. Here's the best example of making a car into something else done with a real car.


Ferrari Enzo:

Maserati MC12:

Same chassis, engine, Greenhouse and even the mounting points for said engine are the same. This is the kind of alteration I'm talking about, something you simply can't achieve by slapping a Supercar gas cap on a Hatchback

Please point out where those identical points are, because I can't see them.

 

[The Chosen One]

Honestly, if the Porsche VGT wasn't over-the-top, then it'll be forgotten within a week. Just look at all of the VGT's except the Mercedes and Chaparral, no one uses them.

 

[R5]

Honestly, if the Porsche VGT wasn't over-the-top, then it'll be forgotten within a week. Just look at all of the VGT's except the Mercedes and Chaparral, no one uses them.

I don't think that's to do with how OTT they are (the Mercedes isn't too OTT really), and I'm certain people use more than just those 2.

 

[JKgo]

...People don't use VGTs (warning: my opinions ahead) because they're not tunable to a large degree. Cars like Aston, for instance - I freaking abhor its default set up, but there's f-all I can do to it. Quite a few VGTs only allows a tiny set of adjustments and frankly, it's just so damn frustrating.

As for Chappy 2X.... weeeelll, it is a laser car...