Project CARS General Discussion Thread

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RX-7_FD3S
Those shots are stunning as always, but the track still lacks details in my opinion especially when you see a video of it. The handling of the formula car seems good but it doesnt lost grip when you go outside of the tracks ?
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I think i read somewhere that it was pre-alpha.
 
For one, outside tarmac physics are not yet fine tuned.. let's get the real stuff right first and then move on to the secondary things.

edit, and I might add that the tire model on the video was just one of the 15+ that I've now tried with the B formula. Each iteration has had it's specific meaning to gather comments of the behaviour.. so don't take these vids as "final".. Just DL'd a new build and there 4 more new tires to test with this car :D Love this. It will be great in the end - in every way.
 
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Well, what i get from what Ian posted recently, it that the game just jumped from pre-alpha status to get it out quick status!

So, all the things we wanted, wont be added and decisions have to made on what gets cut :(

Finalised tweaks are likely to be slightly more rushed (less effort put in) due to no finances left, time constraints and being forced to move onto the next stage (as per Ian's post re: stop focussing on the minutiae). These are the things I think define a game, the small details... Sometimes they are the most important... Well at least to me they are. I think small details can truly enhance a game, and ignoring them can pull you right back out.

FSA not allowing new income, SMS having to take on a non sim game for spare cash on the side, is not good news for anyone in reality... Looks like this is not good news overall...

I don't see why the FSA didnt just allow more funding?
Issues with budgets happen daily, from houses to road works etc... SMS need a little more, so what, new investors are chomping at the bit, Let them invest!

So we are definetly not getting the complete game we wanted and aimed for, some thinks are being cut :(

It's a sad day...
It'll still be great game, but this isn't awesome news no matter which way you spin it.
 
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SpandxRacer
I don't see why the FSA don't just allow more funding?
Issues with budgets happen daily, from houses to road works etc... They need a little more, so what, new investors are chomping at the bit, Let them invest!

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You don't know how the FSA run then.

The FSA want to make sure the WMD system is 100% legal and not SMS scamming us.

The FSA told SMS to close funding whilst they investigate.

SMS have no choice but to agree as the FSA have the power to close SMS down.
 
SpandxRacer
Well, what i get from what Ian posted recently, it that the game just jumped from pre-alpha status to get it out quick!

So, all the things we wanted, wont be added.
Finalised tweaks are likely to be rushed (less effort put in) due to no finances left and being forced to move onto the next stage (as per Ian's post).

FSA not allowing new income, SMS having to take on a non sim game for spare cash on the side, is not good news for anyone...

Looks like this may not be great news for many of us overall...

I don't see why the FSA don't just allow more funding?
Issues with budgets happen daily, from houses to road works etc... They need a little more, so what, new investors are chomping at the bit, Let them invest!

So we are definetly not getting the complete game we wanted/asked for and aimed for :(
It's a sad day...
It'll still be great, but this isn't awesome news no matter which way you spin it.
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It's the new part that no one has ever seen this open in game development..

This all, is (I bet) just normal in game development.. You just don't know a year before what will be possible to do for the final game.

All the things that we wanted aren't there... That's an absurd sentence. There will be no game that has everything the fans want.

Nothing will be rushed, it's exactly why there will be prioritization happening. Funding is 100% sure (won't go into details here, now) ..I have no clue from where you draw that conclusion. ?

FSA is doing it's thing, for the benefit of all of us (that have put one dime in it). Don't really understand the people questioning FSA's interest on this. It's just bound to happen. And it's a good thing.

We will not get a complete game? Based on what?
 
haitch40
You don't know how the FSA run then.

The FSA want to make sure the WMD system is 100% legal and not SMS scamming us.

The FSA told SMS to close funding whilst they investigate.

SMS have no choice but to agree as the FSA have the power to close SMS down.
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I understand the principles of the FSA :sly:

It seems silly that a girl asks for £6000 to make a documentary re: women in games... Gets a kickstart fund of 150,000 ... Makes a POS £6000 video and pockets the rest yet WMD and PCars gets shafted due to its model.

While WMD is a good idea, if kickstarter was used this wouldn't have been an issue at all. Meaning, it's happening everywhere, every day... It just seem pointless to focus on the WMD model.
 
Timppaq
It's the new part that no one has ever seen this open in game development..

This all, is (I bet) just normal in game development.. You just don't know a year before what will be possible to do for the final game.

Never will be all things that we wanted added. That's an absurd sentence.

Nothing will be rushed, it's exactly why there will be prioritization happening. Funding is 100% sure (won't go into details here, now) ..I have no clue from where you draw that conclusion. ?

FSA is doing it's thing, for the benefit of all of us (that have put one dime in it). Don't really understand the people questioning FSA's interest on this. It's just bound to happen. And it's a good thing.

We will not get a complete game? Based on what?
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Ehh?
Because Ian says so here!

http://forum.wmdportal.com/showthre...outlook-discussion-(from-Better-Trees-thread)

And here...

http://forum.wmdportal.com/showthread.php?13422-Finalising-pCARS-the-money-side

Funding isn't 100% Ian said he has taken a game on the side (non sim) and has/is using some money from that due to support from said organisation!

Quotes from Ian Bell WMD/SMS:

look at what you initially planned to include, accept you can't do everything and focus on what we collectively feel we can't not include and get it to release quality.
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One huge strength of the WMD system (constant iteration from feedback) is also one of the downsides in terms of getting the thing finished.
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In short, it's time to fill in the blanks and get them polished. It's time to ease off on the minutiae.
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As you've no doubt noticed, the FSA have scuppered our plans with regards to ongoing income
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we've managed to sign a non sim game which we're doing on the side
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It's time to stop adding new stuff
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We'll be working towards completion plans over the next month or so
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Timppaq
Wow, 2 links to the same OP on one thread? ..your point was lost I guess. :)

Funding isn't 100%??? Let me show you how to properly give a link..

"..we have enough to finish pCARS without any further funds being needed."

http://forum.wmdportal.com/showthre...he-money-side.&p=409628&viewfull=1#post409628
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My links are completely different, What on earth are you talking about?

Yes, he has enough money to start polishing it "NOW" due to taking on a second game... But the polishing phase was never due yet... Not right now! As his post clearly states, this transition is happening because the FSA scuppered his plans for ongoing finances! He said it in that post himself lol

Ohhhh....hang on.....sorry... Was that the plan all along :dunce:
Run out of money, try to get more money, get FSA grief, take on second game for spare cash, rush game out!

Get real!
 
You really have no idea how games are developed and what WMD is about don't you.

Yes, the other one of you links was the same as mine. I just thought it would be funny to see if you still didn't see the point there. It's 100% funded already.. and where did you get this rushing a game out feeling? As I get the exact opposite.
 
SpandxRacer
Those links are completely different, What are you talking about?

Yes, he has enough money to start polishing it NOW due to taking on a second game...

Oh.....sorry... Was that the plan all along :dunce:
Run out of money, take on second game, get FSA grief, rush game out!

Get real!
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1. The funding was complete way before the FSA got involved. SMS withdrew some funding to allow us to upgrade. They could easily put it back in again if they needed.
2. What's wrong with working on multiple games at a time? A lot of studios do it.
3. FSA was not their fault.
4. They are not rushing they are just stating that they need to be realistic. We don't want GT5 syndrome again.
 
haitch40
1. The funding was complete way before the FSA got involved. SMS withdrew some funding to allow us to upgrade. They could easily put it back in again if they needed.
2. What's wrong with working on multiple games at a time? A lot of studios do it.
3. FSA was not their fault.
4. They are not rushing they are just stating that they need to be realistic. We don't want GT5 syndrome again.
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That's not my interpretation, nor the interpration of many others at WMD and elsewhere...

You clearly have an incredibly bias viewpoint that only incites anger (fanboism) when something you don't agree with is posted x

I love you, it's not your fault 👍 Xx

Night night everyone,
I say let the people interpret the text as they wish, you can scream and shout and abuse all you like... You just sound like the WBC :crazy:
 
SpandxRacer
That's not my interpretation, nor the interpration of many others at WMD and elsewhere...

You clearly have an incredibly bias viewpoint that only incites anger (fanboism) when something you don't agree with is posted x

I love you, it's not your fault 👍 Xx

Night night everyone,
I say let the people interpret the text as they wish, you can scream and shout and abuse all you like... You just sound like the WBC :crazy:
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Clearly you have no bias. Kudos to you. From you posts, I'd love to find some clever view, a revealing point to be taken into consideration that could be used to make everything better while we get closer to the release date (no go so far). My suggestion to you is that you try to do a better job of what you signed up for and help the development of the project on the actual pcars forums. Crying out loud here won't do any miracles, or heal your points of doubts does it?
 
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SpandxRacer
That's not my interpretation, nor the interpration of many others at WMD and elsewhere...

You clearly have an incredibly bias viewpoint that only incites anger (fanboism) when something you don't agree with is posted x

I love you, it's not your fault 👍 Xx

Night night everyone,
I say let the people interpret the text as they wish, you can scream and shout and abuse all you like... You just sound like the WBC :crazy:
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So because I don't agree with you I am a fanboy?

Excellent well thought out argument there.
 
Ahhh.....

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n
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2. a means of exoneration from an accusation
3. a fact, evidence, circumstance, etc., that serves to vindicate a theory or claim

Fun to watch.
 
If there's one thing I learned, its this: The moment someone tries to defend their claims by immediately calling the person that disagrees with them "Fanboy" is the moment they shouldn't be taken seriously.
 
RACECAR
If there's one thing I learned, its this: The moment someone tries to defend their claims by immediately calling the person that disagrees with them "Fanboy" is the moment they shouldn't be taken seriously.
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Without focusing on the fanboy call, seems like something is happening. Closing the founding due to FSA is clearly an issue for SMS, do not try to deny it. End result.. I smell a not so polished console version.

Someone should tell FSA that sim racing is an hobby and some people are ok to invest 2000, 3000, 5000 or even 10000 bucks on their hobby.
 
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HKS racer
Without focusing on the fanboy call, seems like something is happening. Closing the founding due to FSA is clearly an issue for SMS, do not try to deny it. End result.. I smell a not so polished console version.

Someone should tell FSA that sim racing is an hobby and some people are ok to invest 2000, 3000, 5000 or even 10000 bucks on their hobby.
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Ah you're off jumping to conclusions again. Funding WAS complete before FSA came in and the game is not being rushed out. Ian has simply said we've reached the time in development where they have to focus on completing what they have planned already rather than coming up with more new ideas and features. It makes perfect sense to me for a game aiming for release late this year.
 
SimonK
Ah you're off jumping to conclusions again. Funding WAS complete before FSA came in and the game is not being rushed out. Ian has simply said we've reached the time in development where they have to focus on completing what they have planned already rather than coming up with more new ideas and features. It makes perfect sense to me for a game aiming for release late this year.
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YES I'm jumping on conclusions again. Now let's try to talk as customers to customers and not like pr marketing to customers. What the hell is going on there? Oh and I rember you I don't know what the internet is like, if you have something to link then do it.
 
Is it really already time to facepalm yet again? My face still hurts from last time when he went on a "Jumping to random conclusion because why the hell not, who cares if they make sense, meh whateva"-spree.

Dude, seriously... You need to stop making a fool out of yourself. What the hell does the FSA have to do with the console version that is developped by a dedicated team simulataneously? HUH?!? :lol:
 
HKS racer
Without focusing on the fanboy call, seems like something is happening. Closing the founding due to FSA is clearly an issue for SMS, do not try to deny it. End result.. I smell a not so polished console version.
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What the hell are you talking about? I'm not denying anything :odd:
 
FLX1981
Is it really already time to facepalm yet again? My face still hurts from last time when he went on a "Jumping to random conclusion because why the hell not, who cares if they make sense, meh whateva"-spree.

Dude, seriously... You need to stop making a fool out of yourself. What the hell does the FSA have to do with the console version that is developped by a dedicated team simulataneously? HUH?!? :lol:
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The sudden rush Ian seems to have could make me (and not only me) thinking the money is over, FSA changed their plans, SMS tried to re-open subscriptions but no, and now is time to release whatever they did. Therefore I've jumped on MY OWN conclusion yet again.
Now tell me, Is it against forum rules? I didn't stated it is a fact. It is my opinion. If it's against forum rules post the link where it says so. And dude seriosously, attack the point not the people, calling people "fool" is no different attitude than calling people fanboy.

Now take this image, so you can faceplam while you facepalm and your face will hurts even more. :sly:

panic-button.jpg
 
lol:D

I agree with HKSRacer!
If you lot weren't so rude and aggressive to me (and focussed and discussed the point in an adult manner) this thread would not have gone this way... But for those of you who were rude, the below is for you! I've come down to your level :D

You guys...
Of course they are now rushing, of course by defending "with insults" is fanboism! You were aggressive and offensive in your retorte.

WMD members are not happy with this!
The main point is..

Yes funding was complete... But Ian UNDER-BUDGETED the game! He NEEDS more to complete the ENTIRE PROJECT.

He tried to do another round of funding and was challenged by the FSA!

Now, with less money and a second game to complete he has stated as a matter of fact that we will now move to the next phase quicker than expected and are now in discussion of dropping some tracks and cars from the game!

If you children can't understand the logic in tht, then god help us when you get a job! You won't last 5 minutes with that level of understanding!

This is like building a house, an architect and builder say yea, e can do this for 1mil..
Then a few snags, delays are hit along the way....
A time extension is needed (jut like cars)
Due to this time extension the builders need to be paid more for longer work...
More money is needed to py them..
Ask the customer for more...
NO...
Ok.. We can build the house, but we are leaving off the garage and pool to finish n time!

Bizinga!

How you girls can't understand tht is beyond me, so much so that even over at WMD the people that are not happy out weigh those that are!

Let's discuss this in there shall we and see how clever you are facing the majority instead of trying to be smart asses out here!

Now go and read a book on business, economics and projects! The reason I have 3 cars, a large house etc is that I am a project manager for IT projects. NFC are projects I help Implament here in the UK for many bluechip... This exact scenario has happened on every single project due to improper business decisions from CEOs and lawyers or just through unforeseen circumstances.

It's my job to then re structure what WE CAN'T HAVE and go back with what we can have that still meets the criteria, but isn't exactly what tht wanted and loose a few features etc..

The facts are all there girls x
I still love you all, you are like little dumb puppy dogs but ever so cute Xxxxxxx

Now come here and let me tickle your Bellie xxx there's a good boy xxxxx who's a good boy xxxxxx you are xxxx thts right xxxx you are lol xxxxx
 
SpandxRacer
I agree with HKSRacer!
If you lot weren't so rude and aggressive to me (and focussed and discussed the point in an adult manner)
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From my experience it's the other way round. How is calling me a fanboy not rude?

And HKS. Please actually listen for once. We had funding secured. SMS took a bit out so we could upgrade our membership and that's the only reason SMS could put their money back in quite easily. Also we were not underfunded and needed another round of funding. SMS didn't raise the budget they took some of their own money out.

There is no rushing. The FSA didn't put a stop to the plans.

Fine. We will stop making realistic decisions. Expect the game in 2020.
 
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I don't see the problem, if you don't like the way things are, just give this thread a miss. Don't buy the game. Simple.
 
lots of snips
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So lets recapitulate:

- starting to focus on getting the game ready for alpha phase 6-9 months ahead of release is rushing things
- pCARS is under-budgeted and that was corrected by... leaving the budget at the exact same 3.75 Million Euros
- I have no problem with swiftly insulting people whose posts reek of ignorance, stupidity and false assumptions

Hey, you fellas got one out of three correct, well done! Maybe somebody accidentially Implamented some sense in your ramblings, after all! 👍
 
SpandxRacer
lol:D

I agree with HKSRacer!
If you lot weren't so rude and aggressive to me (and focussed and discussed the point in an adult manner) this thread would not have gone this way... But for those of you who were rude, the below is for you! I've come down to your level :D

You guys...
Of course they are now rushing, of course by defending "with insults" is fanboism! You were aggressive and offensive in your retorte.

WMD members are not happy with this!
The main point is..

Yes funding was complete... But Ian UNDER-BUDGETED the game! He NEEDS more to complete the ENTIRE PROJECT.

He tried to do another round of funding and was challenged by the FSA!

Now, with less money and a second game to complete he has stated as a matter of fact that we will now move to the next phase quicker than expected and are now in discussion of dropping some tracks and cars from the game!

If you children can't understand the logic in tht, then god help us when you get a job! You won't last 5 minutes with that level of understanding!

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How you girls can't understand tht is beyond me, so much so that even over at WMD the people that are not happy out weigh those that are!
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Hello darling,

Could you do me a favour please? I've read back through this thread and I just can't find a single post where anyone has insulted you! There must be one since I know you'd never ever lie. I also can't find any sign of aggression or offence! How odd, must just be me I suppose.


Anyway, could you also prove (with facts):

- that the majority of WMD members are now up in arms over this,

- that Ian under-budgeted the game,

- that the second game will interfere with Project CARS in any way,

- that we're children without jobs,

- that we're girls (p.s. the casual sexism is doing wonders for your reputation, by the way, I actually do find that legitimately offensive).

I think that's it for now babes. I'm sure a level-headed, rational, mature big strong man like you who has no trouble using facts and evidence and knowledge and being really clever to prove his well-thought-out and researched opinions will have no trouble with this.

Kisses.
 

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