Project CARS General Discussion Thread

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mr_geez
Hey gals/guys!

Since the price of PCARS went down recently, I would like to ask few questions about current state of PS4 version (probably answered already but it is hard to go through 620 pages looking for details).

1. Did they take care of the nasty bugs from release version? From what I remember reading there were major problems with tires after pitstops, AI of both CPU and B-spec driver in endurance races and cars settings resetting randomly.

2. What do you think about DLC cars? Are they worth the price and are they included in single player "campaign"?

3. The most important one. I'm owner of perfectly fine Logitech DFGT and from what I read in other thread there is no chance of backward hardware compatibility for PS4. Since there is no really good alternative for DFGT in similar price range at the moment, how the game feels when using Dualshock 4? It has been years since I played true racing game without the wheel and I'm concerned it won't be fun at all without proper equipment, plus I saw some threads that there are some big issues with default controller settings (and if there are, where can I find "good" settings?).

Thanks in advance, Cheers.
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1. A lot of the bugs from the original release were cleaned up with the most recent patch, but I have not specifically tested the AI tire glitch.

2. The DLC cars should be free in my openion, but they know damn well we can't stand to see someone else driving one we don't have. Also, they are not used in career mode. At least not in my experience. I have been taking the open wheel route, so I really don't know about the others yet.

3. I was actually surprised at how pCars plays with the controller. I owned the DFGT and played GT on PS3 for years and since have ordered the Logitech G29 for the PS4. I didn't wait for the wheel of course as I could not wait to try out Project Cars. With the default settings for the controller I was able to play pCars. They obviously tweaked the assists specifically for console drivers using a controller. I don't normally drive with assists, but with a controller, I simply had to. I was able to enjoy the game, and I was even winning some races. The only assist I didn't use was the breaking assist. The steering assist is not necessary either, but I hated all the small jerky adjustments I kept having to make using the controller so I turned steering assist on just to clean that up. Once I got my G29 and hooked it up I actually had to get used to using a wheel again. I am very happy with the G29 wheel by the way.
 
Well I sorted my squeaky brake pedal out. Unscrewed the base plate (so. many. screws!) and sanded the side of the arm down a bit. Got covered in grease (so. much. grease!) then put it all back together again. Brake pedal now goes up and down nice and smooth without rubbing BUT the goddamn accelerator pedal is scraping now!

Typical. Gonna have to do it all over again but this time with the accelerator pedal and hope I don't screw anything else up. :banghead:
 
bleeder
Well I sorted my squeaky brake pedal out. Unscrewed the base plate (so. many. screws!) and sanded the side of the arm down a bit. Got covered in grease (so. much. grease!) then put it all back together again. Brake pedal now goes up and down nice and smooth without rubbing BUT the goddamn accelerator pedal is scraping now!

Typical. Gonna have to do it all over again but this time with the accelerator pedal and hope I don't screw anything else up. :banghead:
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Thanks for fixing my one and only problem with the T300! :cheers: I usually forget about it mid-race when I have the engines to listen to, although it is sometimes audible when exiting a corner (squeaky throttle for me!).

Nevertheless, I'm really enjoying this wheel! The response is instantaneous and I'm starting to get really good at catching slides (and now drifting around corners in the Bac Mono!), which had been hard for me with the G27 and GT6.
 
bleeder
Well I sorted my squeaky brake pedal out. Unscrewed the base plate (so. many. screws!) and sanded the side of the arm down a bit. Got covered in grease (so. much. grease!) then put it all back together again. Brake pedal now goes up and down nice and smooth without rubbing BUT the goddamn accelerator pedal is scraping now!

Typical. Gonna have to do it all over again but this time with the accelerator pedal and hope I don't screw anything else up. :banghead:
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Yeah i had the same squeak on my mine, its a bit of a head peck :lol:
I ended up upgrading to a pro set.
 
Well it turns out my worry was misplaced. I use a wheel stand pro and as soon as i unscrewed the red bar that holds the pedal board down the new squeaking stopped. I must've had it too tight which caused the plastic of the footplate to flex slightly and made the accelerator scrape. Loosened and repositioned and it seems as good as new!

So there's my tip for WSP users: if you hear strange noises try loosening your pedal bar. It might just work.
 
Question: Is the Mercedes DTM C-Class free for everyone in a private lobby or only available on the Limited Edition?
 
Spent about 30 minutes again on Pcars at my mate's PS4 tested the LSD on 1M as I was curious about the way it locks and how it behaved with preload changes. There's something odd about the way it works ( accel/decel lock % ), it's like adding more preload with adjustable lock% based on car torque output , so on cars with high output torque, this makes high % lock on accel really "wonky" IMO for a typical plate type LSD ( if Pcars uses this as a model ). Never knew how Pcars treat lock %, but after more driving and some tests, I can almost sure it uses engine torque as reference, of accel lock at 50%, then it has 50% locking torque of the total engine torque output. The lock torque strength can fluctuate based on how much torque the engine produce ( engine load/throttle )

On a car with 400Nm torque, 50% accel lock will have 200Nm locking torque, but the gearing might affect this too. Anyway, this might be done for simplified model across all car LSD and allows a full locker somehow implemented - although still not ideal IMO ( 100% lock ), so if I want 100Nm lock torque for example on another car with 200Nm max torque output, I can just input 50% lock or 100% for 200NM. Very basic, unlike real life where lock % and response ut can be dependent on many factors ( disc diameter+material, number of disc+arrangement, ramp/cam angle, preload spring ) and it's not related to engine torque directly ( when someone says 80% lock on drive, it's not really about 80% of engine torque ) :P
 
It's a good discussion too. I've chatted with @Ridox2JZGTE on several occasions and also with the devs of the game. They are in fact very much interested in information like this (and already have it in most cases), but time does not allow them to implement everything in full detail for every car. There is a line where the simulation stops (in every sim). They do have stuff for specific cars like the active aero on the Huayra, P1 for instance, but not the active brake-bias from the Clio for instance (which shifts from rear-biased to front-biased if you apply a lot of pressure).
 
Well if you want a "true" sim,call Ferrari, Mercedes, or any other F1 racing team. I'm sure they will let you try their "sims".As for values that are not correct.Are you sure someone's gathered information is correct?.Take it with a grain of salt,this is not a sim,its a 🤬 video game.Have you seen any technical data for these cars?
 
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TexasTyme214
Actually, some drivers have said that PCars' tire model is stronger than some of the racing sims you mentioned, but SMS won't release their names to the general public.
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Yes,I get it. Some people want a sim,well guess what,for $60 your not going to get it. SMS promised this and that,so did another huge Devoloper and its still a joke.OK, it's not perfect,get over it. Play the game,let SMS at least try to fix it,they seem to listen and are patching it.
 
TexasTyme214
Actually, some drivers have said that PCars' tire model is stronger than some of the racing sims you mentioned, but SMS won't release their names to the general public.
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"Some people" + "won't release their names" = unreliable information

Those 2 parts alone should make you really question and consider your source!

Is this the same person that said the game would be polished for the best possible release? If there is no factual evidence supporting a claim made by a PR machine, you really should question what they are telling you.

It's also very possible that those people were just being polite, or even said it in jest such as:

"it's even better than ours hahaha" said with a smile and a sip of free wine.

I have been in people's houses and they have offered me food, I have eaten it, said it was as good as a restaurant meal (to their face) but I never believed that in my heart, one meal was so bad, I was nearly sick, but I didn't want to upset and/or hurt their feelings.

Those words could have been delivered In the same way. We have no Information to go on, except the fact that the guy who said it, has lied to his user base and the media on numerous occasions.

Just saying...
 
I only read the first couple sentences of your post, but I've seen the drivers say it in the forums during development. I didn't drop their names because of respect.
 
TexasTyme214
I only read the first couple sentences of your post.
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That explains a lot and speaks absolute volumes!

TexasTyme214
I've seen the drivers say it in the forums during development. I didn't drop their names because of respect.
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That doesn't make any sense?
If it's posted (under their real name) in a forum open to 80,000 members that was known to be leaky (forum posts screen dumped all over the web) development posts released from SMS including all Nic and Bens feedback etc... Then they said it knowing it would/could be screen dumped or released ... So ???

Just saying you should consider your sources, or if you have a "secret" that you can't tell us about, or prove, or back up etc... Don't say anything at all ;)
 
LOL, it's not like there have been hundreds of drivers involved in the project, so we know who we're talking about here. ;) BTW, it's well-known that Ben Collins hated racing sims/games until he went along with Project CARS. Though that statement doesn't necessarily mean anything because we don't know what his opinion is of other sims (as far as I know anyway).

That said, time will tell. I'm sure we all agree that as sims become more realistic, they should all be converging (from different angles) on the same thing (given time), no? I can speak from personal experience that it takes very little effort for me to switch between Project CARS and let's say Assetto Corsa (Wheel or controller, doesn't matter). Sure there are differences, but hopping in GT or Forza takes a fair bit longer for me to adjust again (because the difference is a lot bigger).
 
TotalBallAche
"Some people" + "won't release their names" = unreliable information

Those 2 parts alone should make you really question and consider your source!

Is this the same person that said the game would be polished for the best possible release? If there is no factual evidence supporting a claim made by a PR machine, you really should question what they are telling you.

It's also very possible that those people were just being polite, or even said it in jest such as:

"it's even better than ours hahaha" said with a smile and a sip of free wine.

I have been in people's houses and they have offered me food, I have eaten it, said it was as good as a restaurant meal (to their face) but I never believed that in my heart, one meal was so bad, I was nearly sick, but I didn't want to upset and/or hurt their feelings.

Those words could have been delivered In the same way. We have no Information to go on, except the fact that the guy who said it, has lied to his user base and the media on numerous occasions.

Just saying...
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We have the game in our hands and can evaluate the tire model for ourselves and it stacks up pretty good to me relative to other sims.
 
I just finished my first 125cc kart season. These karts are pretty fun! Was still beating the AI by 20-25 seconds on 70%, but I didn't bump it up because I just wanted to finish these karts.

I did a Focus RS invitational event, and the difference was huge. Went from something so agile to such a lazy front wheel driven car. So much understeer, unless I threw it around a bit to get the back out somewhat.

The T300RS is a such a good wheel, second day of use and I am just loving it! I do think there's barely any life in the pedals, though. I find it very tough to judge where the limit of braking traction is.

Then I drove some fun laps with the Audi R8 LMP round Hockenheim. I like the evolution in the tyres from cold to operating temperatures, but I noticed that my wheel was on 270 degree lock, yet the driver was operating a full 900 degree lock. I don't think these prototypes actually have 900 degree lock?

Anyway, I'd better check my lock after my brother has played Dirt 3 before I hop over to Pcars... :p
 
Johnnypenso
We have the game in our hands and can evaluate the tire model for ourselves and it stacks up pretty good to me relative to other sims.
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Yes? .... I agree...
But that's not what's at question here? No one is questioning the game/physics etc?

What's at question was the authenticity/validity of the statement.

He said:
"Actually, some drivers have said that PCars' tire model is stronger than some of the racing sims you mentioned, but SMS won't release their names to the general public."

Thats hear say, hyperbole, out of context, unreliable, nonsense!

First he says "SMS" won't release the names (because actually Ian Bell posted something similar to this on the PCars forum, he said they said it to him personally at an event"

The problem with the statement is Ian Said it was the "teams themselves" who said it, not the drivers!
http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/sh...lly-shocked!&p=1019168&viewfull=1#post1019168

Then when questioned further, the user reveals that he is a WMD member, and "HE" won't release the names, but that they wrote it on the forums (that are open to 80,000 members including known leakers) which directly contradicts what Ian Bell said ;)

What if I just say...
"Actually, some drivers have said that the PCars' tire model is worse than any racing sim in existence, but SMS won't release their names to the general public"

It's pointless, as I could just be making it up!
Saying stuff on the Internet with no source, no facts, evidence or verification to back it up is mental.

But to believe it blindly, well then those who do are beyond help!

You are believing a statement, made up by a WMD member who profits from the sale of the game (110%) who said that drivers claim its the best, but with no evidence, facts, proof, verification... Nothing?

It's an absolute, unquestionable and undeniable categorical fact that "every" WMD member receives payment and profit the more the game sells.

It's the statement at question here, not the game.
Also, I have some super concentrated water (poliwater) for sale if you are interested?

It's like being back at school :D
"I've got something to tell you, but I can't say what it is, or who said it!" :D

Go away troll, you haven't paid the toll!
 
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You can subscribe to the "all WMD members are just in it for the money and will make stuff up if it helps their wallets" conspiracy theory mindset if you like, your choice.

Having also read the WMD forums on this particular topic I know this is not made up. But sadly for you that's all the info you are going to get. If you want in on pCARS 2 in order to read the internal forums yourself, funding is open. You are welcome to join, but sadly there is no profit sharing this time ;)
 
skazz
You can subscribe to the "all WMD members are just in it for the money and will make stuff up if it helps their wallets" conspiracy theory mindset if you like, your choice.

Having also read the WMD forums on this particular topic I know this is not made up. But sadly for you that's all the info you are going to get. If you want in on pCARS 2 in order to read the internal forums yourself, funding is open. You are welcome to join, but sadly there is no profit sharing this time ;)
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And without knowing it...
You just proved my point entirely :D

Thank you :)
 
This game is hard hehe... Got an invitational event to drive a RUF RGT-8 round Brands Hatch.

I set the AI difficulty to 70% and finished 3rd. Either I am really that slow, but I find these road cars pretty difficult and unpredictable to drive! In the slow corners I couldn't really point in the nose how I wanted, but in high speed corners the car felt pretty good.

Then I turned in some laps at Road America in the Bentley Continental GT3. Man oh man, I guess this is where the game comes alive to me. Such a joy! I really hope this car is part of GT3 in career mode, I'd love to drive this thing throughout an entire GT3 season.
 
TotalBallAche
Yes? .... I agree...
But that's not what's at question here? No one is questioning the game/physics etc?

What's at question was the authenticity/validity of the statement.

He said:
"Actually, some drivers have said that PCars' tire model is stronger than some of the racing sims you mentioned, but SMS won't release their names to the general public."

Thats hear say, hyperbole, out of context, unreliable, nonsense!

First he says "SMS" won't release the names (because actually Ian Bell posted something similar to this on the PCars forum, he said they said it to him personally at an event"

The problem with the statement is Ian Said it was the "teams themselves" who said it, not the drivers!
http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/sh...lly-shocked!&p=1019168&viewfull=1#post1019168

Then when questioned further, the user reveals that he is a WMD member, and "HE" won't release the names, but that they wrote it on the forums (that are open to 80,000 members including known leakers) which directly contradicts what Ian Bell said ;)

What if I just say...
"Actually, some drivers have said that the PCars' tire model is worse than any racing sim in existence, but SMS won't release their names to the general public"

It's pointless, as I could just be making it up!
Saying stuff on the Internet with no source, no facts, evidence or verification to back it up is mental.

But to believe it blindly, well then those who do are beyond help!

You are believing a statement, made up by a WMD member who profits from the sale of the game (110%) who said that drivers claim its the best, but with no evidence, facts, proof, verification... Nothing?

It's an absolute, unquestionable and undeniable categorical fact that "every" WMD member receives payment and profit the more the game sells.

It's the statement at question here, not the game.
Also, I have some super concentrated water (poliwater) for sale if you are interested?

It's like being back at school :D
"I've got something to tell you, but I can't say what it is, or who said it!" :D

Go away troll, you haven't paid the toll!
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I believe you missed my point entirely. We have the game in our hands so we are able to evaluate the physics for ourselves in order to determine the validity of that statement. I can say without a doubt that the physics on average are very good, as good as or better than any other sim I've tried. Whether a real driver said this or not, I don't care because I can verify the statement myself but I see no reason to doubt Mr. Bell in this regard. I'm a smart enough consumer as I suspect everyone else here is, however, to not rely on a statement like that when making a game purchase, knowing it could be just marketing speak.

The whole presumption that because WMD members might make a profit from the game therefore you are a fool to believe anything they say is nonsense. While caution is always warranted on any individual statement, I spent 2 years reading this and other forums about the game and I cannot recall a single discussion that later proved to be false or an outright lie if you will. Remember the members only played the pc version of the game which was in good shape from the get go. The problems with the console versions of the game were not available to them nor were they able to play it so you can't hang that on them. If you are going to continue to make accusations or slanderous remarks along those lines I suggest you come up with some specific examples of things that were said pre-release that turned out to not be true, or withdraw your accusations and inferences.
 
"Safety cars will be introduced with the Oval track pack" - how about that for an untruthful statement from a WMD member? 2 weeks later we are told by Ian Bell himself that we won't be getting safety cars at all.
 

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