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Who the hell will wear 3D glasses for 3 or 4 continuous hours playing GT5? it will just blow off your head. Anyone been to 3D movies? specially AVATAR? i started having a headache in very first 10 minutes!
PS3 3D June update/GT5 same day?
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That does happen to some people but I sat through the whole thing without a problem and think I could have easily watched it again without a problem other than a numb bum!
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I've seen Avatar 3D twice and Clash of the Titans 3D and have had ZERO problems.
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Same T__T
I saw Avatar in 3D and only a few scenes were really cool, rest is just a gimmick in my opinion. Should wait until they get the technology right and even then having a smaller resolution and framerate problems, I'd rather have "2D" games really stable than wonky "3D" ones
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Sony Talks 3D Firmware, Playstation Move
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/108/1085581p1.html
Says the developer kit became available in Jan (surprise! surprise!),
talks about some optimizations that dev's can make.
Doesn't mention GT5, but there's at least the FT-86 pic.
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/108/1085581p1.html
Says the developer kit became available in Jan (surprise! surprise!),
talks about some optimizations that dev's can make.
Doesn't mention GT5, but there's at least the FT-86 pic.
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3.20 was 3d firmware update for devkit ps3s..it was released in Jan.
Taku Imasaki said /GT5 will come out in later this year
Taku Imasaki said /GT5 will come out in later this year
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I honestly do not see the point of 3D. I saw Avatar in 3D and I felt it almost ruined the movie - to me there was not one scene that I prefered in 3D (yes I went back and saw it in normal vision). 3D just doesn't work, it made Avatar look cheap and very rough, hence why I'm looking foward to picking up the Blu-Ray version.
3D is currently ruining movies, please don't let it ruin our games as well (although I assume GT5 will be offered in both variants). But if this massive delay is only becasue of 3D...................
3D is currently ruining movies, please don't let it ruin our games as well (although I assume GT5 will be offered in both variants). But if this massive delay is only becasue of 3D...................
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Whilst many of you have suspected it to be the case (I myself thought otherwise), the evidence now, I think, very strongly indicates that GT5 was delayed to implement 3D.
As it has been confirmed that the 3D version will be included in the standard game release, it is perhaps also highly likely that we can expect a summer release, given that GT-3D will probably be one of Sony's biggest selling points for the new 3D TVs.
Assuming that this may be Sony's plan, good news then? I only hope the development of GT5 as a whole has not suffered because of it.
I gather that these new 3D TVs are using the cell processor. Perhaps a reason for the limited PS3 supplies lately?
As it has been confirmed that the 3D version will be included in the standard game release, it is perhaps also highly likely that we can expect a summer release, given that GT-3D will probably be one of Sony's biggest selling points for the new 3D TVs.
Assuming that this may be Sony's plan, good news then? I only hope the development of GT5 as a whole has not suffered because of it.
I gather that these new 3D TVs are using the cell processor. Perhaps a reason for the limited PS3 supplies lately?
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It's not really a case of getting the technology right. It's a case of, the technology is what it is, and having two slightly offset images is only ever going to be as good as the people who make the footage in the first place.Should wait until they get the technology right and even then having a smaller resolution and framerate problems, I'd rather have "2D" games really stable than wonky "3D" ones
3D as it is being implemented is an old technolgy, and one that I feel will quite quickly get superceded by something that offers true depth perception in a flat plane, much like holograms do. No stupid glasses, no nausea, no headaches.
How can we forget something that was never said?
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I suspect a lot of people expect to see things coming out the screen and floating around in front of them when viewing 3D content and I have to agree that it's not always particularly effective in that sense, especially if there's any ghosting at all which destroys the illusion and can be annoying to look at. There's some exceptions maybe, like the pickaxe through the windshield in my bloody valentine and maybe some others. At present this is still new to a lot of moviemakers and directors and techniques and methods will improve as they learn. Still, I think that can be gimmicky but what I do like in 3D movies is the depth into the scene it can give and the feeling of looking into the space where the subject(s) is rather than the feeling of looking at a moving image on a flat screen.
Filming 3D movies isn't just about having 2 cameras side by side, there's a lot more to the geometry than that and filming different scenes requires different setups and no setup is absolutely correct and if done badly will result in a lot of headaches. Couple that with the fact that when viewing movies you can't alter the content to suit screensize and viewing distance and position so you bring in a whole lot more problems.
Games on the other hand can be done geometrically correct and could be callibrated for screensize and viewers position, bring in headtracking and the viewers position is recallibrated in realtime. This would take it beyond the typical stereoscopic view and in some cases could add to the gameplay. For these reasons if it's done properly I think 3D in games could be more effective and a lot less headache inducing than in movies.
Different manufacturers are developing different tech for all this, some of it's not much more expensive than what's currently available. There have been demonstrations which don't require glasses but they've not been particularly impressive but it shows they're working on it. Some people complain that they wear glasses and can't wear the shutter glasses over them but there are polarised systems on the way too which will use passive glasses and there are the clip on filters available for anyone who needs to wear glasses and would also work for going to the cinema.
I'm looking forward to seeing what Sony do but I'm not expecting to jump in straight away, just going to wait and see what happens.
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Mr Latte
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Its simple as this guys those of you that moan about 3DTV or indeed 3D games.
You dont have to buy it, put up with it or have to worry about it.
I do however think many people dont give 3D a chance in how good it could become for games. If any format can make great usage of 3D effects and depth of field then its gaming. The industry is already fully behind it so this isnt going to be a 1-2 year feature then just dissappear.
Lets wait at least to see how good or bad it is before condemning it.
You dont have to buy it, put up with it or have to worry about it.
I do however think many people dont give 3D a chance in how good it could become for games. If any format can make great usage of 3D effects and depth of field then its gaming. The industry is already fully behind it so this isnt going to be a 1-2 year feature then just dissappear.
Lets wait at least to see how good or bad it is before condemning it.
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Agree that the whole 3-d update is unfair for most of us as I know most want gt5 even without some of those flash features but even if as you say most of us will start to have 3-d tvs in 5 years time ,well shouldn't we expect gt6 by then.
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For arguments sakes, lets say they are delaying it due to 3D, that means there is more time for polish to be added. So even if you don't plan on getting a 3D TV any time soon, you can still benefit from it.
Lets also say that we all have 3D TV's (well, that won't happen, let's say a fair size of the market) in 5 years time, so GT6 will be a 3D release too. Having the experience of releasing GT5 on 3D platforms gives them experience for GT6.
GT5 could be pioneering for a reason other than being the latest installment in the largest racing simulation brand.
Lets also say that we all have 3D TV's (well, that won't happen, let's say a fair size of the market) in 5 years time, so GT6 will be a 3D release too. Having the experience of releasing GT5 on 3D platforms gives them experience for GT6.
GT5 could be pioneering for a reason other than being the latest installment in the largest racing simulation brand.
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IMO 3D TV in its current stage is a joke. First of all it's not that great (I watched a demo). Secondly, do you really want to sit with those stupid 3D glasses on your head when trying to relax and watch/play on the TV after a hard days work? I don't.
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Old-tech 3D as it is being implemented now, needing stupid glasses, and with all of the side-effects it has...will not last too long. People who don't have decent 20:20 vision who can watch a perfectly good HD image now, will not be able to get the full benefit.
When 3D becomes something that people can enjoy with their own two eyes and actually look around an image with proper depth and parallax, then it will be something different and worth bothering about.
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You know, 3d is an illusion. Until a TV with a cubic screen is launched, 3d will remain an illusion. Why so negative?
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I assume by your comments you are a skeptic, why the attitude though?
Let me go over some of your points raised
Old Tech 3D
The latest 120HZ 3D Shutter technology is much improved over previous 3D types of glasses. 3D began to die off on the PC as CRT monitors were being replaced by flatscreen technology. Its only now that LCD/LED/Plasma tech has a fast enough refresh rate to offer the dual 100/120 HZ required.
Only Panasonic are offering a true 1080p image in their 3D Plasmas. LCD and LED models from various brands inc Sonys may not offer a true 1080p resolution image in 3D and these can suffer from cross talk.
Side effects
People that have issues or indeed eyesight problems with 3D are a minority. Yes it will have an impact on potential sales but it doesnt mean 3D will not become popular.
Stupid glasses
Cinema sales have proved that people will wear "stupid glasses" to experience 3D. No one is expecting 3D to replace regular viewing but it can become a popular option to be utilised in sports, movies or indeed some games. The viewer has the choice 3D is designed to co-exist with regular TV not replace it. If you told me 10 years ago grown adults would play with toy guitars or drum kits I wouldnt of believed that but look whats happened. Gamers will embrace something/anything that radically makes games more enjoyable.
3D in games has the ability to:
- Allow explosions and debris to have excellent pop out effects offering much more excitment in action games.
- Create a sense of depth, for example dashboard dials to the bonnet will have actual depth perception. You will have a sense of being more in a car. The ability to determine better how close you are to a part of the track or indeed other cars will be more accurate with 3D depth of field.
- Height sensation can be implemented with depth of field. Giving people possible sense of true height, like vertigo this could be applied very well in games like Uncharted or openworld games.
I just dont get the "its crap" attitude by many and not just on these forums. Im all for games developers being able to use new tech that can if I want to purchase or enjoy make games or indeed movies more entertaining. Also the "I just bought a HDTV a couple of years ago" comments by some. Well that doesnt mean millions of other people wont be in the market for a new TV at any given time.
Come back in 2 years time and tell me 3D has been a failure, I dont think it will but thats just me and when content, prices are better people will buy into it.
If great games make really good usage of it offering a new experience particulary if they can implement it with "Move" offering a type of gaming never possible in the home before then Im sure people wont mind the glasses. Prices are high for the first gen sets but wait a while that will all change.
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TokyoDrift
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TV in any form is a illusion, so what's your point? My point is, 3D as it is being implement is old technology, not always that effective, and cannot be enjoyed by everybody who can see a normal TV right now. It's change for changes sake, and I don't normally say that about technology - usually I embrace it, but all of this changing of the HDMI spec and having to upgrade very expensive hardware regularly is really starting to **** people off.
Big it up all you like, it's still one eye seeing a different image to the other
Same with people who get headaches and nausea, right?
3D without glasses would mean no need for a choice.
I never said it will be a failure, I said it will be short-lived - in its current implementation.
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And again, until a cubic tv launches, 3D won't change, at all. So if you buy a 3d tv you won't need to buy one again
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What you on about saying "Big it all up", no im just trying to NOT kill it dead before ANY of us actually get to see how good or bad it will be in the home.
Sickness, I dont recall any article reporting of cinemas showing 3D films having large percentages of people suffering from effects. Yes some do but would it even be 5%?
Its not anything close to a majority of people.
As for the glasses again, say what you want but actual sales of 3D movies are setting records. FAD yeah to an extent but one a majority of the public are spending their money to enjoy.
The glasses thing is like saying the ipod wont become popular cause you have to wear stupid headphones and many people have hearing issues. Or online gaming will never take off as people wont wear a microphone and headset.
If a TV excisted offering 3DTV without glasses youd still need to buy the 3DTV and its going to cost extra. Therefore it doesnt do away with choice at all as people may still decide not to spend more than they need to. YOU seem to have a big issue with the glasses and I gather 3D isnt for you anyways but dont rule out everyone else.
What you on about saying "Big it all up", no im just trying to NOT kill it dead before ANY of us actually get to see how good or bad it will be in the home.
Sickness, I dont recall any article reporting of cinemas showing 3D films having large percentages of people suffering from effects. Yes some do but would it even be 5%?
Its not anything close to a majority of people.
As for the glasses again, say what you want but actual sales of 3D movies are setting records. FAD yeah to an extent but one a majority of the public are spending their money to enjoy.
The glasses thing is like saying the ipod wont become popular cause you have to wear stupid headphones and many people have hearing issues. Or online gaming will never take off as people wont wear a microphone and headset.
If a TV excisted offering 3DTV without glasses youd still need to buy the 3DTV and its going to cost extra. Therefore it doesnt do away with choice at all as people may still decide not to spend more than they need to. YOU seem to have a big issue with the glasses and I gather 3D isnt for you anyways but dont rule out everyone else.
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