PS3 General Discussion

[mclaren777]

You won't be seeing Star Wars like CG in PS3 games. That's just a bit too much.
It will be something simillar to this,the latest render released by Sony:

Were there previous renders like this one? Please tell me yes, and also that you have them.

 

[Omnis]

With the debut of Playstation 3 scheduled for next spring, Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. has announced strategic alliances with several companies and an acquisition all aimed at launching software development for the game console.
A tool shipment plan was also announced Thursday (July 21) at meeting here.

Real-time physics simulations are expected to replace motion capture while programmable shading will replace texture mapping in the new console, Sony executives said.

To support game programming in physics simulation, Sony has entered into strategic licensing agreements with Havok (Dublin, Ireland), a top supplier of physics engines, and Ageia Technologies Inc. a U.S. supplier of physics hardware accelerators. Under the deals, Sony obtains sub-licensing rights to Havok's physics and animation engines and Ageia's NovodeX SDK, a physics library for PS3.

Sony has also joined with with Transmeta for optimization tools and debuggers and with Epic Games, a U.S. game engine developer, to include Unreal Engine 3. Both will be available by the fourth quarter.

Sony also said it will acquire long-time partner SN Systems Ltd. (Bristol, England), making it a Sony subsidiary. The deal allows Sony to acquire SN's ProDG and other tools in the PS3 SDK.

yes! this means that dudes will actually be programmed to run ON the environments, rather than placing a running man mocap on top of said environment.

 

[Nizar1980]

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/636/636848p2.html

I think this settles the debate about the PS3 controller batteries recharge. Great news.

 

[Giancarlo]

You won't be seeing Star Wars like CG in PS3 games. That's just a bit too much.
It will be something simillar to this,the latest render released by Sony:

I smell a new GTA-esque scandal popping up soon.

 

[McLaren]

You won't be seeing Star Wars like CG in PS3 games. That's just a bit too much.
It will be something simillar to this,the latest render released by Sony:

WOOHOOO!!!
The ball is back in the PS3 court for me.

 

[livemusic]

Chair not included, lol.

 

[Driftster]

what about the under developed feature models with snake like skin? are those included?

 

[Cole]

I am totally buying that PS3. It'll probably take a long time since my friend told me it's $240.00.

 

[unsanctified]

The controller looks so uncomfortable.

The system itself looks amazing. I'd chose the white one. PS1 was silver. PS2 was black. So I just need a change of color.

 

[Dave A]

I am totally buying that PS3. It'll probably take a long time since my friend told me it's $240.00.

If you mean American dollars, it's probably more, it will most likely be $300-$400.

 

[Dave A]

The controller looks so uncomfortable.

I think it looks a lot MORE comfortable, the DS and DS2 are too small for me to get comfey enough, thats not the fianl design though, it was just a demo model to gauuge public reaction.

 

[unsanctified]

I think it looks a lot MORE comfortable, the DS and DS2 are too small for me to get comfey enough, thats not the fianl design though, it was just a demo model to gauuge public reaction.

I haved large hands. The Xbox original controller was perfect. The controller-s was a little small as well as the DS2.

I just don't view the boomerhang style as being comfy. If anyone made the perfect controller for comfort I believe Microsoft won. For me anyway, we all have different tastes.

I guess I'll have to wait and see if the controller will actually be comfortable or not.

 

[Omnis]

hmmm...I'm looking at the back once more and I can't help but ask a few questions.

okay, so... a DVI port is definitely not happening? Also, if i'm not mistaken, the AV output says there are 2 HDMI ports (for split screen, possibly?), but I only see one. where might the other be?

 

[Solid Lifters]

hmmm...I'm looking at the back once more and I can't help but ask a few questions.

okay, so... a DVI port is definitely not happening? Also, if i'm not mistaken, the AV output says there are 2 HDMI ports (for split screen, possibly?), but I only see one. where might the other be?

There's two HDMI outputs, and one AV output.

The two HDMIs are side by side.

The AV multi output will display composite (RCA), S-Video, and component (high-def analog).

 

[Omnis]

There's two HDMI outputs, and one AV output.

The two HDMIs are side by side.

The AV multi output will display composite (RCA), S-Video, and component (high-def analog).

Durrrr. thanks, SL. I was looking at the multi out thinking it was the hdmi port.

good to hear that the multi out will have component connectors. I'm guessing it will have all 7 jacks (composite, s-v, component) on the same cable, no? I can't help but feel I've had/seen this conversation before, so I apologize for any redundancy.

Anyway, why do you think they didn't include the DVI port? You think it's because the signal significantly degrades at length? It kind of sucks for anyone who can't accomidate HDMI; DVI being the runner up and all as far as picture quality is concerned.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Durrrr. thanks, SL. I was looking at the multi out thinking it was the hdmi port.

Oops!

good to hear that the multi out will have component connectors. I'm guessing it will have all 7 jacks (composite, s-v, component) on the same cable, no? I can't help but feel I've had/seen this conversation before, so I apologize for any redundancy.

I think I once read the PS3 AV multi out is the same as the PS2 AV multi out. So, I would be able to use my current PS2 AV multi out component cable. I hope this is true. It means one less thing to buy.

I don't think it will come with a multi connection AV cable. If a differnt AV cable is needed other than composite, you have the option to buy a different one like you have now. I think it will come with a standard AV multi out cable in composite, and one HDMI cable. Hmmm, now that I think about it, I doubt they'll supply a HDMI cable. Not that many peopld have a set with HDMI since it's so new. Plus, I'm sure they can afford to buy a HDMI cable on their own.

Anyway, why do you think they didn't include the DVI port? You think it's because the signal significantly degrades at length? It kind of sucks for anyone who can't accomidate HDMI; DVI being the runner up and all as far as picture quality is concerned.

DVI is dead and not that many HDTV sets had it in the first place. HDMI came out to replace it nine months later. But, those with DVI inputs on their HDTV sets can still use the HDMI outputs on the PS3. There are adapters to go from HDMI to DVI. But, it wont pass the digital audio signals. You would need to use the optical out for the digital audio. DVI is digital video only. There should be no loss of video quality making the connection this way, so no need to worry.

 

[Omnis]

Oops!


I think I once read the PS3 AV multi out is the same as the PS2 AV multi out. So, I would be able to use my current PS2 AV multi out component cable. I hope this is true. It means one less thing to buy.

I don't think it will come with a multi connection AV cable. If a differnt AV cable is needed other than composite, you have the option to buy a different one like you have now. I think it will come with a standard AV multi out cable in composite, and one HDMI cable. Hmmm, now that I think about it, I doubt they'll supply a HDMI cable. Not that many peopld have a set with HDMI since it's so new. Plus, I'm sure they can afford to buy a HDMI cable on their own.


DVI is dead and not that many HDTV sets had it in the first place. HDMI came out to replace it nine months later. But, those with DVI inputs on their HDTV sets can still use the HDMI outputs on the PS3. There are adapters to go from HDMI to DVI. But, it wont pass the digital audio signals. You would need to use the optical out for the digital audio. DVI is digital video only. There should be no loss of video quality making the connection this way, so no need to worry.

yeah, but for those (few) with DVI and no HDMI inputs...I feel bad for em. hahaha. But then again, it's not like those people can't afford to get another set, let alone the small percentage of them actually videogame oriented.

As for the whole AV thing, I think I've seen those madcatz wires with the composite jacks along with an s-video line on the same wire. Then again, I could be mistaken as i've not actually opened the packages. Logic says they could add on the component connections as well...but then again, logic counters logic a lot. So maybe you WILL have to buy a seperate cable. Anyway, HDMI is more or less the goal and should be or is the HDTV user's state of mind. More so than component video, anyway.

 

[Solid Lifters]

yeah, but for those (few) with DVI and no HDMI inputs...I feel bad for em. hahaha. But then again, it's not like those people can't afford to get another set, let alone the small percentage of them actually videogame oriented.

I think you missed what I said. Those with DVI inputs CAN use the PS3 HDMI output. Here's the adapter that will help you do it... http://www.dsmiller.com/html/Electronics-AV-Cables-Video-Cables-PR-480.htm

As for the whole AV thing, I think I've seen those madcatz wires with the composite jacks along with an s-video line on the same wire. Then again, I could be mistaken as i've not actually opened the packages. Logic says they could add on the component connections as well...but then again, logic counters logic a lot. So maybe you WILL have to buy a seperate cable. Anyway, HDMI is more or less the goal and should be or is the HDTV user's state of mind. More so than component video, anyway.

Yeah, I've seen those multi video connection cables, but Sony wont supply them. They make more money the other way.

 

[Omnis]

I think you missed what I said. Those with DVI inputs CAN use the PS3 HDMI output. Here's the adapter that will help you do it... http://www.dsmiller.com/html/Electronics-AV-Cables-Video-Cables-PR-480.htm



Yeah, I've seen those multi video connection cables, but Sony wont supply them. They make more money the other way.

HDMI through a DVI adapter will have SOME kind of loss, though. That's all I was saying. the loss shouldn't be significant at all...but it's there. it's gotta be.

 

[Solid Lifters]

HDMI through a DVI adapter will have SOME kind of loss, though. That's all I was saying. the loss shouldn't be significant at all...but it's there. it's gotta be.

No, because it's digital. Ones and Zeros only. You cannot degrade a video image if it's still in digital domain unless something was added to in digital form. A simple adapter cannot do that. If it was analog, yes, there would be some loss of detail. The many wonders of digital home entertainment technology.

 

[Omnis]

Hmm... good point. I don't know why that didn't hit me earlier. It's late.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Hmm... good point. I don't know why that didn't hit me earlier. It's late.

Gotcha!

The same is true about over-the-air television. No degradation of the images. Kind of a cool thought, huh?

Think about it. No more ghosting or electrical interference screwing up your image. Just nice clean super-sharp images all the time.

But, the big problem with digital TV is, you either get the images, or not. If there is a storm, and the signal drops to lower than 50%, then all you get is a black screen. Sometimes, it comes on and off, because the signal becomes too weak, and then strong enough to view. It sucks, but they'll work on that problem later when more people have digital TV sets.

 

[a6m5]

I had no idea. Very educational for me! 👍

 

[Solid Lifters]

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1221

PS3 to run Apple OS X Tiger !

 

[James2097]

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1221

PS3 to run Apple OS X Tiger !

Even though apple has gone to pentiums? (still shouldn't affect the PS3's ability to run Tiger though...) It would indeed be quite amazing if the PS3 could simply run the Mac retail version of Tiger... surely the version would need to be slightly customised for Sony's machine? - and therefore be sold preinstalled on the hard drives, or sold as a specific version for the PS3. Its a very interesting development, apparently Sony are keen for iTunes music shop support etc.

This will certainly explain all those ports on the PS3 if it can function as a Mac! (USB keyboards/mice/cameras/iPods/scanners/printers etc etc!!!)

 

[Driftster]

So now it might crash due to either the OS, or it being a Launch Sony product?

 

[tha_con]

So now it might crash due to either the OS, or it being a Launch Sony product?

Hardly.

for that to happen the PS3 would need to be shipped with an operating system. If it didn't, but was capable of such, then it is a user end problem if they experience difficulties with an OS that they installed.

And don't act like MS doesn't have flukes at launch as well...burning power cables anyone? I'd rather send back a console for a disc read error rather than lose my house or living room to a fire. Ever company experiences problems with first generation hardware, which is why the models are updated, to make them more effecient and get rid of bugs. Learn and let go...child.

 

[LaBounti]

And don't act like MS doesn't have flukes at launch as well...burning power cables anyone? I'd rather send back a console rather than lose my house or living room to a fire.

I'm so out of touch with my Xbox i didnt even know about that until i canceled my Xbox live subscribtion. Its like you have to do a forced survey before they cancel it. But I did talk to a girl that lived in milwaukee that took the call. After hearing that feared leaving my console on unattended since they never mentioed which xboxs shipped with the bad cables.

 

[Driftster]

Oh my god Faulty power chords.
that in 8 cases..singed carpet....

and MS replaced everyone's power cable if they wanted one......

How much did a power chord cost new? what,...15 dollars..
so 15 dollars to fix my X box..
vs
My PS2 crapping out completly....
200+

 

[tha_con]

Oh my god Faulty power chords.
that in 8 cases..singed carpet....

and MS replaced everyone's power cable if they wanted one......

How much did a power chord cost new? what,...15 dollars..
so 15 dollars to fix my X box..
vs
My PS2 crapping out completly....
200+

That's funny because sony fixed mine free, cost me somewhere near 13 dollars in shipping.