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PS3 Save Games Hacked
- Thread starter Dodswm
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- GTP_Stotty
IMO, hacking is different to duping... any half decent driver with enough time, patience and commitment can get anycar in the game. All duping does is give you access to those cars without having to do the endless grinding.
Hacking will likely allow all sorts of short cutting... success in the game isn't measured by the number or quality of cars you own, but by the races you have won (golded), the challenges you have beaten and the trophies you have earnt... if hacking allows you to short cut these achievements then it's a very bad thing IMO.
Hacking will likely allow all sorts of short cutting... success in the game isn't measured by the number or quality of cars you own, but by the races you have won (golded), the challenges you have beaten and the trophies you have earnt... if hacking allows you to short cut these achievements then it's a very bad thing IMO.
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Yeah, that's true. However, if someone wants to hack themselves out of that achievement, that's their loss, isn't it?`I mean, it's not like it would change anything about the trophies for someone who doesn't hack.
I'm obviously just playing the role of the devil's advocate here, but, yeah, you get the idea
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Timppaq
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It would also allow someone to enjoy the game much more than what is now possible.. some just want to drive and doesn't care of any of the "achievements"... the real reward for them is different. So imo, with a purchase of the game should come a code for unlocking everything. Just my opinion.
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- mekonrider
I must admit to action replaying GT4 for the licenses. I simply didn't have the will to bother with them regardless of whether I'd be able to gold them 1st time or not.
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- GTP_Vince_Fiero
+1
Game = achievement is in getting further in the game
Driving = achievement is in improving your time in a certain car on a certain track
No problem if you are a gamer, some people just look differently at what is offered. On the other hand there is some merit in building up your capabilities starting with smaller cars. In GT5p I had all cars, only with the Cervo SR, Copen, OFC-1, ... I had times on all tracks, I was making my way up naturally starting from the low cars.
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The only good thing that may come out of this is an understanding as to how the track maker works. If that is achieved then it's certainly possible for someone to produce a PC based editor which could manipulate certain variables and effectively produce actual tracks that the user defines, rather than a randomly generated one.
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If people want to ruin the game for themselves let them, but I wouldn't be one of them
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Isn't buying a game a bit strange if someone doesn't actually want to play a game? I mean, I can understand the general idea behind that, somewhat, but... Isn't that a bit much? If someone's not a gamer, why would that person have a PlayStation 3 to play games on?
I usually oppose people using that phrase, but if someone doesn't want a game, I guess that's the point where I, personally, think GT5 isn't for them.
By the way, this isn't meant to attack you, Vince_Fiero, I can even understand that idea to a certain degree but... It seems so counterintuitive to buy a game if someone doesn't want to play games.
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This doesn't bother me one bit. If someone wants a 100% save, it's no big deal.
As it sits, there's nothing in this game that is out of reach even for those completely devoid of skill, so complaining that uber_noob_x is going to be driving fast_car_y online without knowing how to drive it, is completely invalid.
As it sits, there's nothing in this game that is out of reach even for those completely devoid of skill, so complaining that uber_noob_x is going to be driving fast_car_y online without knowing how to drive it, is completely invalid.
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I intend in buying a newer PS3 because mine is showing its age now. Its starting to make noise when a DVD is inserted and the fan is running more than ever. I will also put a big SSD in the new PS3 , but I still want the full game on the SSD because even with the game installed on the PS3 the game is almost always accessing the BlueRay while racing.
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Angry comments about how others choose to play their games? Deleted.
If this ends up leading to the recreation of hybrids, like the ones in GT3 and GT4, and a way around it being offline only is found, then there will be serious issues to deal with, with people cheating online. Although hybrids served their own unique purposes in those games (artificially expanding the car lists, if you wanted to go down the realistic engine swap route), now that we have real actual online racing with GT5, cars that aren't available to the regular player could wreak havoc on online lobbies.
If this ends up leading to the recreation of hybrids, like the ones in GT3 and GT4, and a way around it being offline only is found, then there will be serious issues to deal with, with people cheating online. Although hybrids served their own unique purposes in those games (artificially expanding the car lists, if you wanted to go down the realistic engine swap route), now that we have real actual online racing with GT5, cars that aren't available to the regular player could wreak havoc on online lobbies.
TT3AZ
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Well, if the gamers goal is to play online and show all cool cars and having fun, im more than intrested in this hack. I really want some more money in my account, thats the only thing i want with this so called "hack". Then i cant really say that hacked saves ruin the game for you, if you dont like the hack dont use it. It takes more than a hack to show your superiority in online races, and according to me, the only thing that matters are the tuning setup, because those really take som time and effort to make. The x1, x2, x3 etc cars isnt worth anything to me, so i dont bother guys driving around in those cars. A proper tuned midget is more worth than a x1 or veyron to me.
Cherrs
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How can you say the game isn't for them? I work 4-10s and I'm off on thursday, which is almost always busy with something(6-8 hrs of earns). I just don't have the time for the crap they ask for in this game. I went through GT2-4 almost 100%, so I consider myself reliable enough to get in whatever car I'd like and enjoy the ride. If a 100% save game comes out and I don't have to do anything serious to the ps3 for it, well I'll be there. Tons of the GTP elite have downloaded gt2-4 saves for the WRS, does that make them cheaters if they wanted to do the same for GT5? Its almost needed for it so you don't have to spend time getting a car an upgrades for that week, just get in the car and get the most track time as you can. I agree that anything going online would be bad and I hope PD can keep it offline. With that being said, you not liking what the "cheating" users may do offline is a you problem.
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I hope I'm not out of line asking this, people who have seen any of my comments in the past probably know how I feel about these issues.
But, could this be used to transfer my savegame from one PSN I.D. to another? I've created a GTP i.d. now and I would rather just have one account to worry about.
But, could this be used to transfer my savegame from one PSN I.D. to another? I've created a GTP i.d. now and I would rather just have one account to worry about.
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- Dodswm
I'm happy to see that the first thread I've started on GTPlanet got so much interest, even if it's on a fairly negative subject! 
Currently, all this exploit is useful for is duping an entire garage... No hacks are out that modify the behaviour of cars offline or online and hopefully they won't ever come about either.
Currently, all this exploit is useful for is duping an entire garage... No hacks are out that modify the behaviour of cars offline or online and hopefully they won't ever come about either.
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So. The PS3 is getting the usage it deserves, in the form of "Jailbroken" firmware and OS. Good. I'm sure there's a way to tell if the PS3 isn't running a pukka Sony firmware, e.g. via random filesize checks on different parts of the OS, among other things. That would mean that "Jailbroken" PS3s could theoretically be banned online, either by PSN ID, or by the hardware itself.
I don't know if that's a good idea or not, I suppose it's for Sony to decide. If they don't ban hacked consoles, then the risk of hacking in games, online does become a problem. It's a somewhat perennial problem, of course. Back in the days when I would play Delta Force 2 online, there were many interesting hacks and exploits people would use to gain an advantage - from not drawing the terrain properly on their clients, to being permanently elevated several hundred feet in the air, and removing or modifying hit boxes so they couldn't be hit. Similar exploits have been seen in almost every shooter since, despite the extensive use of "anti-cheat" technologies, which were already around at the time I played DF2.
Cheaters will cheat, that's the way it goes. Protection is best afforded by being vigilant, reporting cheaters (assuming Sony has the ability to validate such claims, to stop people "griefing" via the report system) and establishing trusted communities with permanent hosts / rooms.
That does leave a bit of a problem for the casual / beginner online racer, who might have quite a hurdle to overcome in learning where the good places to race are. Match-making can help here, along with an online licence - like in iRacing - where you can have a reputation based on your performance and behaviour in online races - only it shouldn't restrict what events you can enter, necessarily. Then you can choose to only be matched with "polite" racers, if such a thing can even be determined!
I don't know if that's a good idea or not, I suppose it's for Sony to decide. If they don't ban hacked consoles, then the risk of hacking in games, online does become a problem. It's a somewhat perennial problem, of course. Back in the days when I would play Delta Force 2 online, there were many interesting hacks and exploits people would use to gain an advantage - from not drawing the terrain properly on their clients, to being permanently elevated several hundred feet in the air, and removing or modifying hit boxes so they couldn't be hit. Similar exploits have been seen in almost every shooter since, despite the extensive use of "anti-cheat" technologies, which were already around at the time I played DF2.
Cheaters will cheat, that's the way it goes. Protection is best afforded by being vigilant, reporting cheaters (assuming Sony has the ability to validate such claims, to stop people "griefing" via the report system) and establishing trusted communities with permanent hosts / rooms.
That does leave a bit of a problem for the casual / beginner online racer, who might have quite a hurdle to overcome in learning where the good places to race are. Match-making can help here, along with an online licence - like in iRacing - where you can have a reputation based on your performance and behaviour in online races - only it shouldn't restrict what events you can enter, necessarily. Then you can choose to only be matched with "polite" racers, if such a thing can even be determined!
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Hack game saves for use with other PSN accounts I have no problem with. Hack hybrid cars to go as fast as anything possible "Online" I have a big problem with. That would really ruin online competition and integrity. As far as trophies are concern offline is fine they can go ahead and lie to themselves but online I think is another story, especially if it's regarding an online competition too.
With our LAN group we do need to use the same 100% game save to setup the LAN for cars and tracks so when we figure out how to do this with GT5 if its ever implemented through a patch hopefully it will be sorted out. Oh and off topic a bit, I haven't seen any 16 online racers event yet. So is GT5 even capable of doing this?
With our LAN group we do need to use the same 100% game save to setup the LAN for cars and tracks so when we figure out how to do this with GT5 if its ever implemented through a patch hopefully it will be sorted out. Oh and off topic a bit, I haven't seen any 16 online racers event yet. So is GT5 even capable of doing this?
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That's basically what the hack does at the moment.
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Oof, blast from the past, I remember that debacle. If only we had a new equivalent of MK's program from GT3, where we could easily load a replay in and see immediately if a car's to spec...
Considering how it literally took years to crack hybrids in GT4, chances are good they won't happen for a while in GT5. PD apparently caught on and don't like the practice, as that's the only way to explain why they went to a whole new system between GT3 and GT4. I do wonder about GT5 though, and even more, the weird fact that GT5 saves are a fraction of GT4 ones
.alexleighton brings up a good point though; the ability to transfer garages could be handy to those who use their GTP_ account as their secondary. I'm lucky in the sense that's my primary GT-related PSN account (my main PSN account for all other games is my GT "secondary"), but surely having to transfer cars around as is needed currently must get tiring.
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Oof, blast from the past, I remember that debacle. If only we had a new equivalent of MK's program from GT3, where we could easily load a replay in and see immediately if a car's to spec...
Considering how it literally took years to crack hybrids in GT4, chances are good they won't happen for a while in GT5. PD apparently caught on and don't like the practice, as that's the only way to explain why they went to a whole new system between GT3 and GT4. I do wonder about GT5 though, and even more, the weird fact that GT5 saves are a fraction of GT4 ones
alexleighton brings up a good point though; the ability to transfer garages could be handy to those who use their GTP_ account as their secondary. I'm lucky in the sense that's my primary GT-related PSN account (my main PSN account for all other games is my GT "secondary"), but surely having to transfer cars around as is needed currently must get tiring.
You're probably right... to be honest I never got involved with hybrids thing... I avoided the hybrids forum and I only saw the trouble they created with the Savage 'incident''.
My plan with GT5 was always to gold the licenses and then just download an uber save to race on-line with... of course locked game saves put paid to that idea, and I'm not that disappointed they chose to do this.
As far as the WRS is concerned I'm running my GTP account as my primary account. For those using a different primary accout, or new GTP members, most weeks it will be fine to transfer 1 car across... though in weeks where there's a choice people may need to do their testing on their primary account before sending the one car across.
Like a lot of people I do have another account (tagged from another site I'm a member of) that I use for copying/duping. I would love to use for on-line racing, so being able to transfer my garage to this account would be really useful.
But my concern isn't about transferring cars/garages... if that could be done without enabling people to create cheater cars I'd be all for it 👍
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Well, I'm out working for ten and a half hours every day and I've been out for more than 60 hours per week for nothing but work more than once. Thing is, in GT, you don't have to invest a few hours in a single go to advance (like you would have to in MMOs, for example), well, aside from endurance races in A-Spec. Hence, I'm good because I can advance one step at a time.
As it is, everyone can get everything eventually, it's just that people want everything and they want it now.
While I'm opposed to the grinding of XP, as it limits the available events even more, I kinda find pretty natural that a game doesn't offer everything at once right from the get go. Granted, the limitations should come from earnign credits (which should be a little bit faster), but I digress.
Either way, to get back to the point why I am saying that the game isn't for those people. If you read my post again, you will notice that I was on about people who don't want to play a game, as they were named as people who'll enjoy the game more with the hack.
And that's where I'm coming from. If someone doesn't want to play a game, why on earth would he buy one?
Yeah, they should. I think it would be a decent solution if you could add your cars to a car list like the favourites. Afterwards, you could add a few PSN IDs to that list and those people would get access to the cars. At least for as long as you remain online or something.
TT3AZ
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For all that nagging about cheated cars etc in online races, and x1 in honda beat shape, it isnt really that easy to do that kind of hacking. So far "they" have only managed to transfer another ones savegame to your psn or something like that, and that is in this point you cant modify the save game by your own such as adding money, cars, prices etc, etc. Maybe we will get a save game editor a la forza style that you can add money and exp, but it will take som time before we get there. I think online mode is great, and that the host can chouse what ever limitations that he wants. If you dont like a certain server, just find another. The last thing i want, is that PD come and try to limit my online experiance, that sucks.
Hacked saves doesnt really runit the online experiance eather. What does it matter if someone uses a more powerful and rare car than you? If you are the host you can just kick the ones that doesnt match your requirements.
Hacked saves doesnt really runit the online experiance eather. What does it matter if someone uses a more powerful and rare car than you? If you are the host you can just kick the ones that doesnt match your requirements.
GTP_FastM3
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Forgive me for being daft, but what exactly is a "hybrid". In my experience it's an electric/gas powered car, but I don't think that is what's being talked about here. I wasn't on these forums when I was playing GT3 so I have no idea what these cheat cars are.
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From the little that I know, it means paring a car in GT with another car's stats, so that you could simulate engine swaps and the according tuning options.
I could be wrong, though.
