PS3 Save Games Hacked

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tw99
You are all missing the point. Sony is not looking for money. They will take these hackes through very expensive legal hearings. This is to set example not to **** with us and our products. U have to admit what sony did up to this point was being nice. XBOX life bans people daily and sometimes real time. Just look at all the cases where players got baned in game for cheating and what not.

Imagine you join a room and say hey i duped my Enzo looking to trade and 2 min later u are baned from PSN because gm was in the game.

Be happy Sony did not take serious action.
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I am not so sure it's a level of seriousness issue but perhaps just a direction issue. If you compare the lines of action of MS and Sony to handling prostitution:

MS is going the way of punishing the Johns and Sony is going the way of punishing the hookers.

One attacks the consumer to (hopefully) reduce demand and the other attacks the source to try and remove the supply.

Which (if either) is the "better" method is to be seen...
 
Dave Touretzky, a Research Professor in the Computer Science Department and the Center for the Neural Basis of Cognition at Carnegie Mellon University, has challenged Sony's legal standing in the case against PS3 hackers and mirrored Geohot's site on the university's servers.
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Now that's getting even more interesting. I wont post a link, because it mostly on hackers' sites, but google will help.

And now i got a feeling, like it's some kind of free PR for Sony. It's on news, it's on papers and of course it's all over the internet. With nearly zero efforts from the Sony.
Also, it's hard to believe, that their lawyers are that stupid to not understand that they won't win a process vs Geohot and Co. But yeah, very good PR indeed.
Dodswm
How did you do that?! There was no decryption method for saves, when GT5 came out...
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Maybe he just started a few days ago or even today? =)
 
tw99
The technology is even effective on camera recordings of the protected works – if Sony bothers with anything near this level of sophistication in detecting pirates, it may be in a position to ban vast numbers of users should they unwisely take their console online.
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Reading a watermark off a camera recording that's been compressed to fit the avi format that the PS3 actually reads? That's a watermarket that persists through three different changes of frame-rate and resolution? That I would love to see...

Oh... and thanks to everyone in this thread for understanding the necessity of not posting links.

Sony knows it can't win this case, but it's trying to make a point. And trying to deter people. But the law is on Holtz's side. You can't be prosecuted for publishing the truth.

I think "bricking" might be severe, but they're perfectly within their rights to do that... Well... might be within their rights... hell... someone might successfully sue them for a remote bricking...
 
niky
I think "bricking" might be severe, but they're perfectly within their rights to do that... Well... might be within their rights... hell... someone might successfully sue them for a remote bricking...
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Maybe it's just an attempt to sale more consoles.
Even in case with X360, where M$ won't brick your console, just ban from XboxLive and lock HDD (which, of course, is not a problem).
Some people have 2 units now. Clean one for online and another for all other things.
Bricking consoles even better and Sony don't need to brick that much, just a few thousands to proof that they can do that.
I guarantee, after that many people won't risk getting online on their CFW PS3s.
But some of those people may love playing online as well, so they may buy a 2nd PS3.

Well, for now it's all just speculations, we don't know what Sony or hackers can really do, it's too early for that.
But either way, i would love to see a clean online gaming for GT5 and every other game as well.
 
Honestly, it seems like the failoverflow team are just a bunch of arrogant people who want to ruin consoles for us. And this is what they get. Which is a lawsuit from Sony
 
niky
Reading a watermark off a camera recording that's been compressed to fit the avi format that the PS3 actually reads? That's a watermarket that persists through three different changes of frame-rate and resolution? That I would love to see...
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Closest I can figure he is thinking of something like cap codes

http://blog.masslive.com/screenwriting/2008/05/antipiracy_measures_becoming_m.html

These giant dots are on screen long enough and in a color that shows up well on digital recordings well enough to survive through re encoding until the video is of unwatchably low quality.

I am not sure if he is correct the PS3 can detect these or if this necessarily what he is talking about, but I can't think of anything else...
 
Even if you could read those codes... what will the console do about it? It won't be able to discern if you're watching a pirate or are the legal owner of the original (in which case burning it to avi and sharing it with yourself is a non-crime (yeah, opinions differ... but there is a precedent with iTunes... (yes, our entire music collection (except for our LPs (and yes, that is four parentheticals!)) is ripped to iPod format via iTunes)).

Worst they could do is look for the watermark, then report back to Sony if there are duplicates... in which case, they can find the original pirate... but for people watching movies ripped from their own collection of DVDs, I don't see studios individually watermarking millions of DVDs...
 
niky
I think "bricking" might be severe, but they're perfectly within their rights to do that... Well... might be within their rights... hell... someone might successfully sue them for a remote bricking...
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They'd never be able to get away with it. EULAs have never been a carte blanche allowance for the company to do whatever they want, and any attempt by Sony to force the issue by remote-killing consoles would end up with Sony being forced back into their original situation before they performed the action, only with tons of bad publicity and an almost certainly large quantity of money being removed from their posession.
 
Toronado
EULAs have never been a carte blanche allowance for the company to do whatever they want
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Not to mention the fact that they are not legal contracts in many countries (at least over here in the EU), because most EULAs are offered after opening the product.
 
Destinkeys
The one real fix I'd like to see is a patch that disallows a 'gifted' car from entering online. I know, I know, this would queer the pitch for the few that WOULD like to use the feature legitimately, but at this point, it looks like we are going to have to take the bigger picture into account.

Having innumerable players online in cars they haven't EARNED or BOUGHT (you need to be at a particular level to buy certain cars) lowers the likely driving standards, and dilutes the experience of racing competent opponents.

If not this, then perhaps some lobby filter for Level, or passing all S-Class License Tests, or the like. But wait! you are all going to say, why not simply race your Friends? For all those decrying that the game should not have ANY limitations, this must be obvious. Why should I have to wait for THEM to be available JUST to get a fair and decent race? The whole POINT is, log on at any time, night or day, and race online against whoever happens to be around.

But the game seems to have given up on moderating itself to ensure fairness, and left it to US to have to do it for ourselves, when quite reasonable restrictions could be placed in the hands of Lobby creators to filter entrants by experience, Level and License progress.

The hacked game save has some pretty deep implications for the longterm health of the game. Once you have progressed as far against the AI as you are willing to do, what is left BUT online..?

I imagine Sony are taking this VERY seriously, I hope PD is, too...
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Do you know you sound like a pretentious jerk? You are an extreme example even in this website full of elitists.

When you first go online, there are 52 cars in the recommended tab that haven't been 'earned'. LOL I cant even use that word here with a straight face.
 
JediRage
Do you know you sound like a pretentious jerk? You are an extreme example even in this website full of elitists.

When you first go online, there are 52 cars in the recommended tab that haven't been 'earned'. LOL I cant even use that word here with a straight face.
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It was a well written post. Pipe down.
 
drawingdeep
i love how the initial posters claim to be goody two shoes yet both tried it and are clearly using it lol
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In what way am i using it? I tried it, yes - i stated it in the first post, but only with my own save game.

The ones that are floating around the internet haven't got as far as i have in the game :p
 
FanBoy08
Honestly, it seems like the failoverflow team are just a bunch of arrogant people who want to ruin consoles for us. And this is what they get. Which is a lawsuit from Sony
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HAHAH hohohohoho hahahah whaaaat?

Also if sony purposefully goes around bricking consoles you can sue.
 
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rampageturke
HAHAH hohohohoho hahahah whaaaat?

Also if sony purposefully goes around bricking consoles you can sue.
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Yeah sure go ahead and sue its u vs bigger better legal team with unlimited $.

This is how it will go. They will patch your jailbroken PS3, patch will make sure it will never run again. (Of course it will be very easy to just ban you from PSN, but for the sake of making this more difficult and evil lets continue with them breaking your ps3)

1. They not gona tell you about it.

2. You sue.

3. They say you jailbroke it by messing around with it, and in the end you are the one who broke it.

3. Sony will then counter sue your butt, and you move in to refrigirator box.
 
tw99
Yeah sure go ahead and sue its u vs bigger better legal team with unlimited $.

This is how it will go. They will patch your jailbroken PS3, patch will make sure it will never run again. (Of course it will be very easy to just ban you from PSN, but for the sake of making this more difficult and evil lets continue with them breaking your ps3)

1. They not gona tell you about it.

2. You sue.

3. They say you jailbroke it by messing around with it, and in the end you are the one who broke it.

3. Sony will then counter sue your butt, and you move in to refrigirator box.
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1. Tell me about what?

3. It's my hardware, I own it, EULA hardly stands off in court anyway. And no, sony broke it, sony were the ones that bricked it, not me.

It's damage of my personal property. just like if you buy some new windows, the same guys who put them in, smash them a day later on purpose and they did it to other customers also, you think they can just get away with it?
 
tw99
Yeah sure go ahead and sue its u vs bigger better legal team with unlimited $.

This is how it will go. They will patch your jailbroken PS3, patch will make sure it will never run again. (Of course it will be very easy to just ban you from PSN, but for the sake of making this more difficult and evil lets continue with them breaking your ps3)

1. They not gona tell you about it.

2. You sue.

3. They say you jailbroke it by messing around with it, and in the end you are the one who broke it.

3. Sony will then counter sue your butt, and you move in to refrigirator box.
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Since when it's illegal to run Jailbroken PS3 again? Especially offline?
By the way, i wonder if it's even legal for Sony to get those logs from MY PS3 when i'm not even signed to PSN. PSN - yes, you agree with ToS etc, but i don't remember any ToS for the PS3 itself, it's my console, so i can do whatever i want with it.
 
tw99
Yeah sure go ahead and sue its u vs bigger better legal team with unlimited $.

This is how it will go. They will patch your jailbroken PS3, patch will make sure it will never run again. (Of course it will be very easy to just ban you from PSN, but for the sake of making this more difficult and evil lets continue with them breaking your ps3)

1. They not gona tell you about it.

2. You sue.

3. They say you jailbroke it by messing around with it, and in the end you are the one who broke it.

3. Sony will then counter sue your butt, and you move in to refrigirator box.
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Or someone with skill will dig around providng factual evidence Sony did this, class action, everyone gets new PS3's and Sony is on the brink of going out of danger.
 
Cheating I don't like.

But jail-breaking and opening up the possibility of being able to run Linux on PS3 slim, GREATLY interests me.
 
FanBoy08
Honestly, it seems like the failoverflow team are just a bunch of arrogant people who want to ruin consoles for us. And this is what they get. Which is a lawsuit from Sony
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*link nuked* Read the gorram AUP.

They simply can, and aren't arrogant, they seem arrogant to you just because you don't understand what's going on.
 
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If this product is made to work with GT is when people should worry about cheater's.
http://home.cybergadget.co.jp/products/4544859697777.html

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I can see where jailbreaking would void any warranty and someone at Sony typing up a press release similar to this rather soon:

In the course of pushing out a firmware update to our millions of users, an action that we have taken many times before to ensure the highest quality gaming experience for our customers, a small percentage of units that had been tampered with failed to properly install the new firmware and are now inoperable. Consumers are advised against such tampering in our End User License Agreement and in our warranty, we regret that we can take no action to repair these devices.
 
rampageturke
what is it
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I think it's jailbreak dongle and cheat device in one.


A cheat device is coming for the PlayStation 3.

Cybergadget, the Japanese accessory maker is currently working on a cheat device that will enable the users to get cheat codes for their favorite games on PS3.

This device will be used with the PS3 and will cost around 7800 Yen (around $100). The makers of this device have been making cheat devices for the handhelds, for a few years, under the brand name Code Freak.

Though the current firmware version for the PS3 is 3.50, this device will only be compatible with v3.41, as stated on the product’s website.

It will be available for sale by the end of this year and is claimed to provide cheats for more than 50 titles at the moment, that includes FF XIII and Demon’s Souls.

After the PS3 Jailbreak, Sony is expected to provide constant firmware updates to tackle it and it has also implemented methods which prevents users from accessing PSN if they have a hacked console recently.

How long does this cheat device remains active is yet to be seen though.
 
Devedander
This is the far bigger issue to be sure... being paired up against an unskilled driver in an X10 is one thing, but going up against a driver who's car LOOKS like and is NAMED Lup but performs like an X10... that's a whole different ball game.

And the less extreme is really what I would find most annoying... making the tires grip factor really high or nullifying the mechanical effects of damage while leaving the visual ones in would make someone very frustrating to race against but almost undetectable as a cheat.

Only time will tell how bad this gets... having loaded up my copy of MW2 for the first time in months the other day didn't make me feel particularly positive on the outlook...
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I played MW2 over the last couple days and have been in about 5 hacked rooms. In fact, Im at level 60 or something and levelled up 3 times in a game yesterday. I went 17-9 and gained 303457xp...its really stupid and unnecessary. At one point, someone had dropped like 4 emergency airdrops within a 5 second span. It was crazy seeing all those chopper gunner/AC 130 icons everywhere. The amount of cheating I see in certain rooms in that game has ruined online play for me and I'm just fearing the day it gets over to here. I havent even played online yet, but I better do it sooner than later so I get some fun out of it.
 

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