I.e. Oversteer/understeer, definition isn't clear to you or several others here, probably either basics of car turning physics.
You think at car rear has to slide in enormous slide to be described as oversteer, but you forget basic physics, there's always slide in both ends of car, turning of car in "higher" speeds is just balance of slip between front and rear, when this balance changes more slip to front it is considered and described as understeer, and opposite when rear slip exceeds front slip it's described as oversteer.
It doesn't need any Showtime slide to be described as either of those, first of all you need neutral steer definition for certain test speed and that's then allowed balance of slip between front and rear, anything going over that balance is either oversteer or understeer.
About references/quotes/sources you have bit two minded opinion, you will ask sources if those aren't presented simultaneously with conversation input, and if those are presented then those are just things like "don't quote stuff from wiki(etc) to here" and same time you're using Wikipedia as source?
Well here's source one source for this:
I.e.Ackerman steering works fine and give you theoretically zero slip on wheels, but sadly there's no zero width tires available, those would be only one to give zero slip on low speed turn.
Making assumptions about people is a very, very dangerous thing to do if you are not in position of all the information.
You see back in 2005 (yep over twelve years ago) I wrote two tuning and set-up guides for GT4, they can be found
here.
In it I wrote:
"Ask car enthusiasts to explain understeer and oversteer and most will describe understeer as when the car looses grip at the front before the rear and oversteer as when the rear looses grip before the front.
Now there is nothing wrong with these descriptions and for general discussions they are more than adequate. However once we get into describing a cars handling characteristics with regard to tuning they are a little basic, as
they only describe the situation once grip has been lost.
For a more detailed description of over and understeer I turn to the excellent book 'Going faster - Mastering the art of race driving' the handbook of the Skip Barber racing school."
Which then goes on to cover this exact are in great detail, opening with:
And then going into more detail around each of the states of balance of a car.
So yes it most certainly was something I am aware of and have been for a very long time. The issue ios that you didn't use under or oversteer at all, you used the term 'spin' all I was doing was asking for clarification on this. Your response was to assign a view to me that I don't hold (and unfortunately for you can show I don't hold), and then attenpt to claim I would stop you from using wiki as a source! Something I have never done.
If speaking of truth is considered as trolling then I must be a bad troll, avoiding lot of bad speaks directed to me in threads where those "bad speakers" are just hanging and pushing arguments of physics of game which they don't have and/or even tried.
I know how bad my situation looks or sounds just because my inability to express myself in correct words, I'm extremely sorry for this, I'll try to catch some time with my friend who can help me to phrase my thoughts better, easier to understand and avoid picking from native English speakers who are more than happy to disrail conversation on my grammar problems instead of actual message information.
I can jump aside and be more spectator than member of conversation, it will be more fun for me and less to others because they have less changes to pick my grammar then.
Thank you.
Edited Android auto mixed word.
Truth?
In a short period of time you have demonstrated a lack of knowledge around AV systems, how HDMI works, audio coding formats, when people knew the Earth was a sphere, what facts are, how sound is transmitted and how significant pressure changes are to a tyre (and that's just the ones I have been involved in - I know of more).
In every single case you have made an inaccurate or missleading claim, provided no sources or missused those you do provide, dismissed the knowledge of others, ignored sources that contradict your own view and continued to insist that only you are right and no one else knows anything. You do this well past the point that you have been shown to be incorrect numerous times and then simple stop posting.
It would not be quite as bad if you actually acknowledged that your mistakes and errors at times, but you don't, you simply stop posting (until the next claim comes along).
Its a pattern of behavior that fits the description of a troll perfectly and it has not gone un-noticed by the staff. Hence the reason why you will back up your claims with sources from this point on.
