PURE | Flyin' Miata Super Cup | Grand Finale Results & Points Posted!

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Yeah, IMO that's too far. Sorry Wardez. :(
 
Any qualifying still going on?
 
Yeah, don't think the number was posted so here:

1472-6681-3115-0601-4332

Edit: Gravy, I need a team name from you. 👍
 
This is clean from my understanding of the track as the concrete is the base of the curbing and part of the track.
 
R1600Turbo
Yeah, don't think the number was posted so here:

1472-6681-3115-0601-4332

Edit: Gravy, I need a team name from you. 👍
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Team Budweiser white car red wheels.
 
R1600Turbo
Yeah, don't think the number was posted so here:

1472-6681-3115-0601-4332

Edit: Gravy, I need a team name from you. 👍
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Team Budweiser white car red wheels.
The king of beers. Sorry for dp.
 
Wardez
This is clean from my understanding of the track as the concrete is the base of the curbing and part of the track.
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Nah Ed, you're not on the rumble, you're on the white line behind the rumble...
 
I won't be able to attend this race, just letting you guys know in advance
 
Wardez
This is clean from my understanding of the track as the concrete is the base of the curbing and part of the track.
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It's extremely borderline. Tough call, and I don't want to make it. We need a general consensus I think. My thought is 2 wheels between the white lines of the track at all times.
 
Going by OLR rules, and since this bit of concrete isn't something drastic like at GVS or the patch before the tunnel at Deep Forest, I've always qualified people with the entire curb recognized as track.

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Just look at the detail of the curbing. The main question is, is that concrete strip a part of the run off or more part of the curbing?
 
I will, not tonight though.

Edit: Regarding the corner situation, judging by the angle of the car it wasn't on that line the whole time. Can we get a photo sequence through that whole corner?
 
Yeah I've got a video, it'll be up in a minute.
 
 
R1600Turbo
It's extremely borderline. Tough call, and I don't want to make it. We need a general consensus I think. My thought is 2 wheels between the white lines of the track at all times.
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I know this sounds like a lot more work but I believe that we should do what Adam does for the GT4 Cup Series. Before each race, he'd post pictures of the car at certain places at the track where it's considered off-course. That way, we can avoid situations like this in the future.

As for the current situation, I'm inclined for some leniency considering this is only a practice race.
Wardez
Yeah I've got a video, it'll be up in a minute.
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Did you see my PM?
 
outlaw4rc
I know this sounds like a lot more work but I believe that we should do what Adam does for the GT4 Cup Series. Before each race, he'd post pictures of the car at certain places at the track where it's considered off-course. That way, we can avoid situations like this in the future.

As for the current situation, I'm inclined for some leniency considering this is only a practice race.Did you see my PM?
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Yeah for sure, replied 👍
 
Car is definitely not on the "read and white stuff", and including whatever the read-and-white-stuff is based on does not count imho.

And it is already so far outside road actual it is... well clearly not where the track architects intended you to go ;)

So, dirty, sorry :(

I like the "two wheels between the lines" rule, even though it is much stricter than usual OLR. Or "on the line" is perhaps easier to aim for. I do find the "hanging off the edge of a curb" thing a bit too much at times.

Sometimes there are no lines, but only a curb or grass, guess it would just be "two wheels on asphalt" in those cases.

But it would not be fair to change right now for those who have already q'ed.
 
Just watched the video and the tires never leave the white line. I think it's good. Damn that's close.
 
My saying has always been "two wheels between the lines" which are the lines which line the track and run inside the rumble strips. Now, I have been known to be lenient and let that space stretch in the corners to the outside of the rumble strips. This incident puts it on a line outside said rumble strips, but who is to say those are not part of the strips themselves?

I'm thinking what outlaw said is that since this is a pre-season race that it doesn't matter as much, but I will be sure to outline this a bit in the rules later tonight.

Edit: Quali sheet updated.
 
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cicua
Car is definitely not on the "read and white stuff", and including whatever the read-and-white-stuff is based on does not count imho.

And it is already so far outside road actual it is... well clearly not where the track architects intended you to go ;)
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This is an amazing race. Watch how they take Eau Rouge and the exit from the chicane. This shows that it's not up to the track designers as to what the racers will deem legal to use, it's up to the organizers.

 
It's preseason so it's certainly not a big deal.

I would say dirty though, sorry Eddie. It's beyond the red and white rumble, I'm not sure if any other track has this curb beyond the rumble or not, but I don't think it's ever come up before, so awesome job running between distinguished lines! :lol:
 
Updated rules in OP to reflect track boundary limits.
 
Oh boy! Div 1 backmarker! :dopey:
 
I'd still allow it in a series like JGTS. Because of its ambiguity it falls into line with other debated track limits like the chicanes at Le Mans, the run off coming out of Ascari in Monza, the concrete patches at GVS (remember the run off we were allowed to use in GVE-Reverse in the Spec 86 series? What's different here?)

So again, it's up to the organizers to choose what they'll allow.
 
R1600Turbo
I don't mind being parked somewhere, the only problem I see is that someone has to be watching the race to inform of an issue. That's why I went with Wardez's idea of just having the leader of the race slow to the correct speed and they will act like they are following an invisible safety car. That way I can watch everything.

Just thought it would be cooler to actually have a pace car out front. (especially the GT-R with the flashing lights) I don't anticipate us having a lot of these safety car periods anyway, everyone here is usually really careful. (and will be more-so knowing there's heavy damage) I will not be calling out caution periods for every little incident, only major ones that may cause 1 or more drivers to have issues getting to pit road with heavy damage. (engine, etc) Or heavy rain...

Also, the safety car doesn't have to look for the leader. They just enter the track after the caution period has been announced, then it's up to the leader to find it. If the safety car is on track, and you are not the leader, you should pass it and keep going until you catch up to the leaders.
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I'm totally with you, I love the idea of a pace car, it's the fact that you'd have to sit on track, and wait for someone else to call you out on track, or have someone else sit there while you call it out, etc. It just seems like a lot of work for what it gives.
 
Wardez
I'd still allow it in a series like JGTS. Because of its ambiguity it falls into line with other debated track limits like the chicanes at Le Mans, the run off coming out of Ascari in Monza, the concrete patches at GVS (remember the run off we were allowed to use in GVE-Reverse in the Spec 86 series? What's different here?)

So again, it's up to the organizers to choose what they'll allow.
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My real issue with it certainly isn't a qualifying lap, but rather is people pushing that boundary in races, but like you said, organizers decide these things, so wherever the limits are works.

For what it's worth, I don't like when the concrete is allowed at original courses either. I haven't seen a boundary I didn't like at Monza or Sarthe, except going wide at the end of Mulsanne, which imo should clearly be allowed. ;)

We all have different standards on different corners, so I think RT should just pick one and swing at it.
 
CSLACR
My real issue with it certainly isn't a qualifying lap, but rather is people pushing that boundary in races, but like you said, organizers decide these things, so wherever the limits are works.

For what it's worth, I don't like when the concrete is allowed at original courses either. I haven't seen a boundary I didn't like at Monza or Sarthe, except going wide at the end of Mulsanne, which imo should clearly be allowed. ;)

We all have different standards on different corners, so I think RT should just pick one and swing at it.
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The way I see it, we're racers and just like the real ones out there, we'll do anything to gain that extra tenth whether it's by pushing the limits of the car or the rulebook. I personally did the same thing today with the RX7 series and most likely got dinged for it. :lol:

Oddly enough, when I did my Q run here, I actively avoided the strips because I was afraid someone may say I crossed the line. Should have brought this up earlier. :dunce:
 
I'm allowing it this time because:

- We didn't clearly have the boundaries listed, they are now.

- It's not an official race.

This is what pre-season races are for, to discover what needs to be fixed and to make changes. We have done this. :)
 
What it comes down to is preparedness. And I in know way blame RT for this boundary business 'cause neither of us could've saw it coming for a pre-season race. And what I did there was a move to salvage my horrible line taking. I went in too far to the left and (as you can see by my G meter) yanked hard to keep it within limits.

But yes, it comes down to picking between the lesser of two evils. Either change the rule now, when people have qualified already, or go on and learn.

But in order to lighten the work load, and to show my appreciation for Jason's decision I'm gonna visit every track on the calender and take boundary photos, cross-confirm with Jason and get all of that out of the way.
 
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