race question

[SL4sh]

can 1991 Mazda Eunos Roadster win against Mazda Rx8, Lancer evo series, or Subaru Impreza in race in parking lot? (the race is one by one)

 

[Azuremen]

The details, they overwhelm.

We'll need a lot more info, such as type of race (Autocross, drag, etc) along with tires, and so on.

 

[TVC]

Is that the same thing a Miata (MX-5)?

I doubt it... A new WRX STi would easily beat it. An Evo X MR would have a chance and the GSR would probably beat it. The RX-8 would probably be pretty fair.

 

[Azuremen]

Is that the same thing a Miata (MX-5)?

I doubt it... A new WRX STi would easily beat it. An Evo X MR would have a chance and the GSR would probably beat it. The RX-8 would probably be pretty fair.

I have seen bone stock NA Miata's dominate STi's at autocrosses. Like I said, we need more information.

 

[daan]

I persume we're talking hypothetically here, as racing in a car park sounds a bit illegal.

 

[Stevisiov]

can 1991 Mazda Eunos Roadster win against Mazda Rx8, Lancer evo series, or Subaru Impreza in race in parking lot? (the race is one by one)

The driver is one of the biggest factors in car park race, since any amount of power can be difficult to put down and car control is extremely important.

a stock mazda miata most likely wouldn't beat a competent driver in an impreza in most circumstances, more power and 4wd to help put that power down helps of course. On a normal road this would be enough to ensure a domination on most roads but since we are talking car parks, short straights tight short radius large angle bends put things back towards the miata, afterall it is lighter and carries the shortest wheelbase making it more nibble.

assuming both are competent drivers then I doubt the mx-5 will win it but given the right circumstances (which could potentially be provided by racing in a car park) the mx-5 could win.

This said I hope this racing is taking place on a privately owned car park that you have permission to race on.

 

[SL4sh]

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The details, they overwhelm.

We'll need a lot more info, such as type of race (Autocross, drag, etc) along with tires, and so on.

all stock. the race is point 2 point and autocross

 

[Duke]

It's still going to depend on the course, the cars, and the drivers, but I'd say the Mazda has an uphill battle ahead of it.

 

[///M-Spec]

Generally speaking: Evo > STI > RX-8 > MX-5 in an autocross. The tighter the course is, the more equity the Miata will get. Assuming a typical course, equal state of tune and equal driver skill.

But driver skill is easily the biggest single variable. Even an averagely talented, but EXPERIENCED driver in the Miata can easily beat a noob in an Evo. It happens all the time. I've seen a guy with a clapped out old Subaru wagon with over 100,000 miles and street tires beat a noob in a brand new Corvette.

So really, the question is moot. It will come down to individual drivers' experience and natural talent.


M

 

[Pupik]

So really, the question is moot. It will come down to individual drivers' experience and natural talent.

M

I recall a writer from Car & Driver a many years back mentioning that we was driving the then-new Toyota Supra Turbo at Laguna Seca. A stock Corolla was behind it, which eventually caught up and passed the Supra after a few laps.

The driver of the Corolla was Dan Gurney.

That may be an extreme example, but talent and skill can triumph when pitting road car against road car on a racing circuit.

 

[Stevisiov]

Generally speaking: Evo > STI > RX-8 > MX-5 in an autocross. The tighter the course is, the more equity the Miata will get. Assuming a typical course, equal state of tune and equal driver skill.

But driver skill is easily the biggest single variable. Even an averagely talented, but EXPERIENCED driver in the Miata can easily beat a noob in an Evo. It happens all the time. I've seen a guy with a clapped out old Subaru wagon with over 100,000 miles and street tires beat a noob in a brand new Corvette.

So really, the question is moot. It will come down to individual drivers' experience and natural talent.


M

Said it better than I did 👍

 

[Azuremen]

The driver skill example is truth though. I use to put down times, with autocrossing, in a Tercel that was bone stock with some 60,000 mile tires that would embarrass some of the 911 and M3 owners that showed up.

The 99 and upward Miatas are C stock, while the RX-8 is B stock, and the Evo and STi are A stock. If the Miata owner was your typical autocrossing Miata owner, he'd have cheater slicks on It would really come down to how tight the course is, ultimately. In a point to point or circuit, it would go STI > Evo > RX-8 > Miata.

 

[TVC]

Generally speaking: Evo > STI > RX-8 > MX-5 in an autocross. The tighter the course is, the more equity the Miata will get. Assuming a typical course, equal state of tune and equal driver skill.

But driver skill is easily the biggest single variable. Even an averagely talented, but EXPERIENCED driver in the Miata can easily beat a noob in an Evo. It happens all the time. I've seen a guy with a clapped out old Subaru wagon with over 100,000 miles and street tires beat a noob in a brand new Corvette.

So really, the question is moot. It will come down to individual drivers' experience and natural talent.


M

The STi is faster than the Evo.

 

[homeforsummer]

The STi is faster than the Evo.

Depends on the Evo.

 

[Azuremen]

Depends on the Evo.

And the type of track, though the STi generally puts down just slightly faster times. Which could easily be changed with a switch of tires.

 

[niky]

And depends on the STi. Older Subarus had more front-end "push" than Evos, which matters a lot in a parking lot or autocross.

Whoever can get the nose turned around and their foot to the floor faster, wins. Doesn't matter if they do it through better driving or by having a pointier or lighter car, they will win. A friend once recounted to me how impressed he was with a Ford Festiva (Kia Pride) race-car he had occassion to drive at an autocross. It was as fast as many more powerful cars there because it was so light.

Having a small, extremely light, rear-wheel drive (I'm talking about the Miata, not the Kia) vehicle is a good way to win a parking lot race. If the driver of the AWD car going up against you is good, well... they may likely win... but you've got a halfway decent chance of coming close.

 

[Small_Fryz]

I recall a writer from Car & Driver a many years back mentioning that we was driving the then-new Toyota Supra Turbo at Laguna Seca. A stock Corolla was behind it, which eventually caught up and passed the Supra after a few laps.

The driver of the Corolla was Dan Gurney.

That may be an extreme example, but talent and skill can triumph when pitting road car against road car on a racing circuit.

yeah and on the down hill mountain pass Takumi took a AE85 under powered, bad suspension and no LSD to beat those guys in tuned cars!

But so true... In sim games for example ive been in a car that is 3 - 4 seconds a lap slower than another (in my hands) yet because i was more skilled or he was a noob i was able to win still... Same applies to you situation.

Rossi on yamaha...

 

[///M-Spec]

The STi is faster than the Evo.

Between the most recent version of the STI and Evolution X MR, I would definately put money on the Evo. I've read and seen several tests where the STI was way off the Evo's pace.

And the type of track, though the STi generally puts down just slightly faster times. Which could easily be changed with a switch of tires.

It's highly defendant on a lot of factors, I agree. I went to look at National Championship results from Topeka for last year and noticed there wasn't a single Evo running in A-stock, but there were several STIs (whom were all murdered by the S2000). All the Evos appeared to have gone on to Street Mod.

This would appear to indicate more top drivers seem to think the STI has a better shot against the S2000 than the Evo in A-Stock. But without any current generation cars competing at the national level, it's hard to say anything conclusive.


Personally, having driven both the older Evo VIII and the 'bug eyed' generation of the STi, I would favor the Evo; it just rotated better. The 2.5 motor in the STi had a nice fat torque curve though.

Very driver and course dependent in any case.


M

 

[Jim Prower]

Now, if we're talking parking lot drags, there's only one car that wins...

A Police Cruiser. and I'm not talking one that some guy bought...I'm talking one still in the service. with a police officer or two inside.

 

[sn00pie]

can 1991 Mazda Eunos Roadster win against Mazda Rx8, Lancer evo series, or Subaru Impreza in race in parking lot? (the race is one by one)

Yeah, you're not going to win this bet.