RM Z06 Pratt & Miller GP > First major series Spa race this Sunday!

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Also how is qualifying going? Is it one lap or is it the total time of all the sections minus the first one?
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Dude, not to be a dick but you really need to start reading previous posts or at a minimum, the posts by Wardez. It's only fair the to the competitors of this series that all members try their best to be fully versed in the procedures of the race weekend. This topic was recently addressed by Wardez and the conversation topic for the past two pages, other than Spec 2.0, has been qualifying times and procedure. Here is the post in which Wardez addressed the topic of qualifying for this weekend's race:

Wardez
Also, there's going to be a new deadline starting this round!

The deadline for qualifying submissions is going to be midnight October 1st, the day before the race.

So get your practice in soon and do lots of it, this should be treated as almost an epic spot race since we're doing 2.4 hours, handing out one-time prizes, using heavy damage and more!

And yes, heavy damage will need to be turned on for qualifying laps to be valid just for this round.

To give you a quick glimpse of the qualifying process before I post full details tomorrow, here's a rundown:
The qualifying settings for Le Mans will be only 1 lap. Due to the extreme length of the track, we will only be timing your lap from the end of sector 2 and the beginning of sector 3 (after the first chicane), on. Consider the first two sectors to be your "warm up lap" and the rest of the distance to be your qualifying track.

Qualifying will be done on the non-weather, non-timechange, version of the track. We will be runing full weather and time change during the race. And, like in Suzuka, we will be starting in the dry, but after that it will be all a surprise.
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Brosif... just noticed your icon change.
you're not really going to buy the $400+ limited edition of Senna right?
Because that would be completely insane. And you don't seem completely insane.

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on-topic, I need to get some track time tonight if anyone is around it's always better to have company. So when I get home from work in an hour I'll post a room# if there isn't already one in here.
 
Dr_Watson
Brosif... just noticed your icon change.
you're not really going to buy the $400+ limited edition of Senna right?
Because that would be completely insane. And you don't seem completely insane.

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on-topic, I need to get some track time tonight if anyone is around it's always better to have company. So when I get home from work in an hour I'll post a room# if there isn't already one in here.
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No... well... maybe... yes! I want, I want. I need, I need!
I am still trying to convince myself that it isn't something that I need. Hopefully the accountant in me wins out but that usually isn't the case.
 
BrosifDuder
Dude, not to be a dick but you really need to start reading previous posts or at a minimum, the posts by Wardez. It's only fair the to the competitors of this series that all members try their best to be fully versed in the procedures of the race weekend. This topic was recently addressed by Wardez and the conversation topic for the past two pages, other than Spec 2.0, has been qualifying times and procedure. Here is the post in which Wardez addressed the topic of qualifying for this weekend's race:
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Ya, I guess I'm guilty of not going back. I normally check the thread from my phone so checking every page can get time consuming on a phone. With the size of this series and seeing how fast this thread grows in posts, its hard to keep up while in school, work, etc. But I will admit that its my fault. Thanks for posting it anyways.
 
(skip to end if you would rather not read my sob story):)

Well, I took my Logitech wheel to the UPS store with the return label. Logitech customer service rep told me originally that they would cross ship me a wheel and get it to me pronto. Unfortunately, the guy I got today was a bit of a know-it-all jerk.

He told me there was no such thing as cross shipping at Logitech. Also that I probably would not get the wheel anytime soon. This is after I already sent off the wheel as asked. After 15 minutes with this lovely gentleman, I asked for supervisor. After being on hold for quite some time, same clown gets back on the phone and said supervisor told him to tell me no go.

Finally the guy did some actual work, looked through the notes, and saw it staring him right in the face -"cross ship new wheel to customer." He's like, oh here it is.. It was multiple logs back. Then proceeded to treat me like it was my fault the whole time. Then he tells me I will have it in 5-10 days, not the 2-3 days original customer service rep told me. He wouldn't do anything to speed it up....

So after all of this (sorry guys for rambling), I will not have my wheel for this round, but fingers crossed for next round.
 
Wow, send that message in an E-mail direct to their Feedback contact, also report this to the Consumerist:
http://consumerist.com/

(bite back tip)

Include a link to any other reports you make and they should compensate you well. This is just unacceptable. It's like you were dealing with two different companies.

They should give you a coupon to redeem at a store for them to pick up the cost.
 
Closed.
redreevos
(skip to end if you would rather not read my sob story):)

Well, I took my Logitech wheel to the UPS store with the return label. Logitech customer service rep told me originally that they would cross ship me a wheel and get it to me pronto. Unfortunately, the guy I got today was a bit of a know-it-all jerk.

He told me there was no such thing as cross shipping at Logitech. Also that I probably would not get the wheel anytime soon. This is after I already sent off the wheel as asked. After 15 minutes with this lovely gentleman, I asked for supervisor. After being on hold for quite some time, same clown gets back on the phone and said supervisor told him to tell me no go.

Finally the guy did some actual work, looked through the notes, and saw it staring him right in the face -"cross ship new wheel to customer." He's like, oh here it is.. It was multiple logs back. Then proceeded to treat me like it was my fault the whole time. Then he tells me I will have it in 5-10 days, not the 2-3 days original customer service rep told me. He wouldn't do anything to speed it up....

So after all of this (sorry guys for rambling), I will not have my wheel for this round, but fingers crossed for next round.
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That really sucks, maybe you should give them an unsuspecting call back... They like to rely on the fact most people don't.
 
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@CSL and @Wardez,

Thanks guys.. I appreciate you getting my back. The funny thing, is Logitech had actually been pretty good up to this point. It was just that I happened to get the wrong guy today.

I will call back tomorrow to see if the wheel is even in the process. Hopefully I will have a shiny new one soon. It would be nice if this one lasts a little longer than the last too.:)
 
Ok, I may not be able to make this weeks race. It's still uncertain if I can or cannot. Next week I have 2 major tests and 2 projects due so this weekend, I really need to spend a majority of my time working on the projects and studying. 2.4 hour race is a really long race so it's kinda hard to say I'll get back to work right after the race. I will, however, still qualify just to be safe. If I finish my projects and studied a little bit, I would be able to make the race so it really depends on how much I get done until race day. Just giving you a heads up on whats going on.
 
Wardez,is it ok if I join you guys the next session? My training has been moved to an afternoon slot so I can make it.
 
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well...
looks like If I stay on track I can do a 3:45.1 and consistent 3:46's ... hope that's good enough.
I'd like to qualify tonight if there's going to be a session.

p.s.
good thing heavy damage doesn't make the sleeping police men in Tertre Rouge break your suspension (like they should @ 100+mph)
 
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hey wardez i know that it is late in the season but i was wondering if i could qualify and race with you guys this week and possibly further?

let me know and if needed i will complete the entry form
 
CSLACR
Suspension
6 / 0
11.7 / 10.8
4 / 8
8 / 4
6 / 4

Camber and Toe
2.0 / 1.2
+0.10 / +0.20

LSD
7 / 10 / 13

BB
4.4
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Ok... so ordinarily I think that people use "my setup must suck" as a weak excuse for when they get beat in a WRS event by faster drivers... but wtf?

I ran for an hour this morning tinkering with my settings and only getting frustrated mired in the 3:48's ... so on a lark I said "why don't I try that setup csl posted since mine is going nowhere".
Bear in mind I didn't change my drive at all... same brake points, turn in, etc... but the first lap on the clock I was -1s by tertre rouge; -2s by mulsanne corner; and doing 3:46.2 with a tour through the sand running wide off the Ford chicanes before the finish. :crazy:

The only thing I didn't keep on your setup was the positive front toe... (that's just silly. All that does is wear the tires and numb turn-in response, I went the correct way and used -0.10).

So I guess that isn't always a b.s. excuse.

btw... for those not in the know:

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Wow, great stuff TnJF.

Loving the map also, as I have no idea about what corners/sections are called what. Now I know what you're all talking about, :D
 
Dr_Watson
Ok... so ordinarily I think that people use "my setup must suck" as a weak excuse for when they get beat in a WRS event by faster drivers... but wtf?

I ran for an hour this morning tinkering with my settings and only getting frustrated mired in the 3:48's ... so on a lark I said "why don't I try that setup csl posted since mine is going nowhere".
Bear in mind I didn't change my drive at all... same brake points, turn in, etc... but the first lap on the clock I was -1s by tertre rouge; -2s by mulsanne corner; and doing 3:46.2 with a tour through the sand running wide off the Ford chicanes before the finish. :crazy:

The only thing I didn't keep on your setup was the positive front toe... (that's just silly. All that does is wear the tires and numb turn-in response, I went the correct way and used -0.10).

So I guess that isn't always a b.s. excuse.

btw... for those not in the know:

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Glad it helped.👍
I have a habit of not turning hard enough, + front toe helps me with that. :lol:

And here is the bollard in question FTW.
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Thanks for the map, Dr., this is in the first of the two Ford chicanes at the finish.
 
CSLACR
Glad it helped.👍
I have a habit of not turning hard enough, + front toe helps me with that. :lol:

And here is the bollard in question FTW.
Thanks for the map, Dr., this is in the first of the two Ford chicanes at the finish.
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Toe out (+toe) in the front will do the opposite. It will help you if you have a habit of turning in too hard. Look at your feet when you think about toe. Negative toe / \ (turn your feet toward each other so your toes are "in"). Makes the car turn in sharper since the weight transfers to the outside wheel which is already pointed into the corner. Positive toe is the opposite (turn your feet away from each other so your toes are pointing "out") \ /. This helps cure on-throttle understeer on rwd because the outside rear wheel's motive force creates rotation in the direction the car is turning. So when you toe out the rear you get a wee bit of 4 wheel steering effect.

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Yeah, that's the bollard I was thinking of; the one Wardez hits at the beginning of his demo lap video. Bloody thing just jumps out at ya. Only buggers that are harder to avoid are the ones exiting the esses on your way to tertre rouge.
The ones in the mulsanne corner are easy to avoid, I just wish we could mow them down. It feels so unnatural not being able to clip that kerb.
 
Dr_Watson
Toe out (+toe) in the front will do the opposite. It will help you if you have a habit of turning in too hard. Look at your feet when you think about toe. Negative toe / \ (turn your feet toward each other so your toes are "in"). Makes the car turn in sharper since the weight transfers to the outside wheel which is already pointed into the corner. Positive toe is the opposite (turn your feet away from each other so your toes are pointing "out") \ /. This helps cure on-throttle understeer on rwd because the outside rear wheel's motive force creates rotation in the direction the car is turning. So when you toe out the rear you get a wee bit of 4 wheel steering effect.
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That would be why I like it then! :lol: From the beginning I was irritated by on-throttle under-steer, it wasn't until I set the toe + that it really improved, well, that and the shocks setup. (8/4 4/8)
BTW - I'm running softer now, for reliability over speed, I think 6/3 3/6 shocks, and 4/3 swaybar.
Doesn't corner as fast, but bounces less (big problem here) and keeps a rear wheel on the ground for power to go to on exits.



Yeah, that's the bollard I was thinking of; the one Wardez hits at the beginning of his demo lap video. Bloody thing just jumps out at ya. Only buggers that are harder to avoid are the ones exiting the esses on your way to tertre rouge.
The ones in the mulsanne corner are easy to avoid, I just wish we could mow them down. It feels so unnatural not being able to clip that kerb.
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I think Chorda and Welsh both went wide there (Tertre Rouge) in qualifying, and I caught a bump that spun me inside, luckily it doesn't start counting until T2.
There's a pretty specific line to make the corner before Tertre Rouge, with the bollards, but once you find it it's pretty easy to get, at least assuming you have a wheel.
 
I plan on going sometime tonight, but with Integra quali going on at the same time, I don't know when I can get a chance. :/
 
I see Wardez so I'll wait and see if he's making a room.
 
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Wardez, my time has been "updated" since I watched my replay.

GTP_CSL: 2:35.701

39.717
40.857
T2 total: 80.574
Lap: 3:56.275 - 236.275

236.275 - 80.574 = 155.701 - 2:35.701

Sorry for the confusion, I have the replay, and I assume Dennis also has the replay if anyone wants to verify further.

When I watched my replay afterwards I checked the splits, not sure if Dennis got them mixed up or what though. :confused:
 
thanks man, no problem, and it's clean 👍
 
Room's open:

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and here's my new one-off livery for the race!

Super BRIGHT yellow xD So ya'll can see me when it'shuh rainin'!

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So! I'm heading off to work guys, I just did my quali. Pretty happy with it since I had limited practice time.

Anyway, as always, any of the CH's available will be able to qualify anyone. I just added a little descriptor to the quali sheet for the people that don't quite get the process. Should be easy, and if you need any help feel free to PM us.

Cheers!
 
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Come get some:

1472-4711-0081-4387-9544

apparently all that talk of connection issues and lag made my cable modem decide to pee itself.
 
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My internet's picking the worst time to start acting stupid.

EDIT: Yeah, just put me on the waiting list.
 
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