Sciaru BRZFRS (BreezeFrees)

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I'm sorry, but all of these body kits are an eyesore. So far it looks a lot better stock.

Agreed. All the modded FRS's and GT86's look like those Fast n Furious Supras from the late 90's. :crazy:
 
There's a picture floating around tumblr of a BRZ STI and it's doesn't have a wing like the concept did, unless they made a wingless concept also. If I can find it tomorrow I'll post it.
This one...
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Why would a 200hp Si be any worse off than a 200hp FR-S? It's not like either will ever see a second of 150mph. If people plan to use their FR-S on a track they'll probably get themselves something more useful than the goofy plastic factory wing.]

I think, a 200 HP Civic with a wing is much worse than a 200 HP 86 with a wing. My friend has a DC5 Type R over here in Japan and he said that when he goes to Fuji Speedway to drive it. 100R is really scary in it because the front of the car begins to lift due to the rear wing on it. Not to mention it is front wheel drive, the last thing it needs is even less front grip than it already has.

Not that you'd want the front of an 86 to lift as well but, there is a reason most rear wheel drive sports cars have either a spoiler or diffuser right?

I'm probably wrong, but that's the perspective I got from my friend.
 
I think, a 200 HP Civic with a wing is much worse than a 200 HP 86 with a wing. My friend has a DC5 Type R over here in Japan and he said that when he goes to Fuji Speedway to drive it. 100R is really scary in it because the front of the car begins to lift due to the rear wing on it. Not to mention it is front wheel drive, the last thing it needs is even less front grip than it already has.

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Seriously?

No, you must be kidding.

Not that you'd want the front of an 86 to lift as well but, there is a reason most rear wheel drive sports cars have either a spoiler or diffuser right?

90% of factory spoilers are there for looks. The other 10% are there for the exact reason they are on FWD cars.
 
I have to say, I'd prefer one with a standard body, just lowered with decent wheels, all these body kits don't do anything for me. Also I like the GT86 the most, as the front bumper doesn't have the plastic lump in it and it has the dark headlights, but I think the subaru headlight design is a little bit better looking.
 
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90% of factory spoilers are there for looks. The other 10% are there for the exact reason they are on FWD cars.

Just curious, how many here feel like the above quote is true?
Also, would you say the Sti hatch is in the 90% or the 10%? Likewise for the sedan, 90 or 10?
 
Just curious, how many here feel like the above quote is true?
Also, would you say the Sti hatch is in the 90% or the 10%? Likewise for the sedan, 90 or 10?

STI sedan spoiler creates downforce at 7x mph or something like that. As for the hatch, there's more drag but I doubt it does much of anything. Look at the crawford hatch race car thingy. It has a spoiler/wing set up for downforce.
 
I'm sorry, but all of these body kits are an eyesore. So far it looks a lot better stock.

+1

All bodykits so far looks too clearly tacked on, and so you get unsightly lines where the new pieces are attached to the stock bumper. Not to mention those bodykits are only going to add weight.

I'll wait till someone actually come out with better bodykits that replaces the entire panel/bumper pieces.

I think they look great stock with a drop and aftermarket wheels.
 
Spoiler on a hatch is to keep liftgate window cleaner ;)
It actually makes the situation worse by increasing the low pressure zone behind the car, causing water spray to linger and attach itself to the window.

What it does do is reduce lift, by not allowing the air to flow downward over the rear of the hatch, and reduce drag by creating a sharp edge from which the air separates quickly and smoothly, as opposed to the slightly curved rear window which will cause the air to tumble, creating drag.

A wing as you see on an Integra Type R is also meant to neutralize lift on the rear of the car, but it will also increase drag because there is more surface area exposed to airflow. A fastback like the Integra will experience little flow separation over the rear window because the angle is very shallow.

On a car like an Evo, the Evo 9 in particular, the angle of the rear window is rather steep and so there is quite a lot of flow separation and drag. That car had vortex generators at the leading edge of the rear window, exciting the airflow and causing it to cling to the surface further down the slope, reducing drag, and also exposing the rear wing's horizontal element to less turbulent airflow. The smooth airflow was only lowered by a few inches, but it was enough to noticeably decrease lift with a net decrease in drag because the vertical sides of the wing were mostly still in the turbulent air near the trunklid. Subaru's weird rear window scoopy thing had a similar effect but wasn't nearly as elegant.

Pretty much anything sticking out into undesturbed airflow is going to increase drag, especially when the shape is already so clean as the FR-S. I have to assume this car still creates lift at high speed because it's not designed to be used at high speeds. It's similar to a Miata with a roof - a Miata has no concept of aerodynamics at anything above 100mph. S2000s suffer the same high-drag fate without a fastback hardtop.
 
I'm surprised the BRZ doesn't incorporate those BMW 1-series side vents on the front bumper. Maybe it does though. I wonder if they let the Prius division work on aero for the car.

I always wonder why they make hybrid cars so aerodynamic but they don't carry that over to the bread-and-butter dinojuice cars. The Sonata is a perfect example.
 
I always wonder why they make hybrid cars so aerodynamic but they don't carry that over to the bread-and-butter dinojuice cars. The Sonata is a perfect example.

I've wondered this too.

I always wonder why companies try to make cars economical that were never meant to be economical in the first place. I mean I understand there's laws in place now, but I think it's stupid. If I buy an M5, I want an M5. Not the M5 that was made to be eco friendly. I want the full on M5 that's got a fire spitting V10 under the bonnet. I'll probably get hate for saying this though.
 
No, but I'm saying that if you specifically design a rear bumper, for example, to reduce drag and greatly improve aerodynamics ...

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... then why isn't that carried over to every other Sonata whether it's a hybrid or not?

We see a lot of aero features already designed into the 86, but I wonder how much emphasis was put on that and why they wouldn't just go all out in the first place.
 
No, but I'm saying that if you specifically design a rear bumper, for example, to reduce drag and greatly improve aerodynamics ...

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... then why isn't that carried over to every other Sonata whether it's a hybrid or not?

We see a lot of aero features already designed into the 86, but I wonder how much emphasis was put on that and why they wouldn't just go all out in the first place.

No, I completely agree with you. Aerodynamics are good for any car. I was talking more on the engine side of things.
 
I'm surprised the BRZ doesn't incorporate those BMW 1-series side vents on the front bumper. Maybe it does though. I wonder if they let the Prius division work on aero for the car.
Lots of modern cars have some tricky aero touches that are hardly noticeable.

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Obviously it has a smooth profile so flow separation will be a non-issue in this car's speed range. The profile ends with a sharply cut trunklid, slightly turned up, an effect that is more pronounced with the optional decklid spoiler.

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Nobody ever pays attention to roofs but they're important. These cars' roofs have a channel in the middle that acts like fences you might see on the roof of a race car or a raked airplane wing, keeping airflow in order over the curved surface and preventing it from falling off the sides. This helps make sure that a higher volume of air will be directed toward the rear decklid/spoiler/wing.

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The channel spreads out a bit toward the rear, having done its job over the roof. Because of the tapered greenhouse and sloped side windows, air from the side mirror and door handle regions will actually flow upward, over the rear fender and onto the rear decklid. There it will meet air flowing out of the roof channel, which is why the channel's widening doesn't hurt flow over the rear window. Not only is the decklid itself truncated, but the rear fender arches also end with a sharp angle, ensuring that this whole portion of the rear end avoids creating a turbulent wake as much as it can. That sharp edge runs all the way down the side of the rear bumper, less pronounced than some hybrids but still effective, so that all air flowing over the rear of the car separates as abruptly and smoothly as possible.

And it works, because the FR-S has a fantastically low drag coefficient considering how small and short the car is. Driving a Miata is like Tebow going deep with a cinder block.

I always wonder why they make hybrid cars so aerodynamic but they don't carry that over to the bread-and-butter dinojuice cars. The Sonata is a perfect example.
I personally think aero touches that you see on hybrids are cool, and a visual example of the fine balance of style and engineering. But most people couldn't care less about engineering and think a squared-off rear bumper looks stupid. These cars are hybrids, so awkward styling is perfectly acceptable. Out of necessity, we'll probably be seeing these styling cues become more mainstream, even moreso than on the FR-S.
 
Zenith013
Interesting. I'd expect them to purposely dial back the FR-S' handling. Let's face it, the Scion crowd is far more likely to wrap themselves around a tree when faced with oversteer.

I wonder how many kids tried "drifting" their TC's only to end up interrupting movie night by slamming into someone's family room.
 
You forgot to post the most-important part of the article:

Car and Driver
At the limit, you’ll find the key difference between the Subaru and the Scion. Go screaming into a turn or hop on the gas too early exiting one, and the Subaru simply understeers—perhaps for the benefit of drivers familiar with the brand’s all-wheel-drive products. The Scion uses softer springs and stiffer shocks, and it has a sensitivity to driver inputs that makes it feel alive. Too much or too little throttle upsets the Scion’s balance, sending the car into an easily controlled drift. Its behavior reminds us of the dearly departed first-generation Honda S2000. It’s not impossible to get the Subaru to oversteer—deliberately timed and moderated inputs will coax the tail out—it’s just not going to catch you by surprise. In either car, though, the transition from cornering to drifting is gradual, and the low curb weight—about 2800 pounds—helps make it easy to rein in a slide before you tailwhip your neighbor’s mailbox.

The Subaru is for the gentlemen, the Scion for the kids. Got it.
 
I'd like James May's take on a BRZ-FRS comparison. We know the track tests-- how about the spine tests?
 
Omnis
I'd like James May's take on a BRZ-FRS comparison. We know the track tests-- how about the spine tests?

It wasn't depeloped at the nurburgring, right? I'm thinking of mailing him a few packs of nurburgring stickers lol. I think the BRZ-FRS will end up being great daily drivers comforty wise, and they were almost immedately praised for how comfortable the seats were in the first few tests.
 
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