Seasonal events - now officially ruined.

[enilm]

You hit the jackpot mate!
This should get it's own piece on a wall where you can only see this statement. It sums up the problems we have on this board with those groups of people nicely!

Spot on!

Here's a good suggestion for PD. While everyone is installing the game into their PS3 HD, it should ask you a question like:
Are you Buyer #1, 2 or 3?

This way everyone is happy. LOL

 

[ATB910]

Stop moaning everyone (even though I agree that the restrictions should be left on). If you want a challenge set yourself one, I suspect not everyone wants to tune the suspension of an RX7 to get 1 minute flat laps around tsukuba, BUT for those who do I think PD should have included a 'recommended / target weight power etc.' which gives you more XP /money.

 

[grumblecat]

GT buyer #1 wants a challenge
GT buyer #2 wants to race to make money and collect cars. Maybe even dupe some cars.
GT buyer #3 wants to buy a car and ram it straight into a wall for 8 hrs a day

This is exactly why I don't envy game designers. If Pareto was right then.

#1's make up probably 10% of the buyers
#2's make up probably 80% of the buyers
#3's make up the remaining 10% of the buyers

however

#1's probably make up 60% of the time spent playing
#2's probably make up 20% of the time
#3's probably make up 20% of the time

So how do you balance the need to sell games with the desire to appease your core long term users.

 

[Zathra5_]

You hit the jackpot mate!
This should get it's own piece on a wall where you can only see this statement. It sums up the problems we have on this board with those groups of people nicely!

Spot on!

I can't believe the number of people that agree with this. It wasn't the group 1 people that were complaining to cause the events to be changed now was it. I want a challenge. I couldn't care less if others don't. I couldn't care less if everyone had every car in the game and everything unlocked. I'd be happy if everyone enjoyed the game exactly how they want to. Doesn't change the fact that I want a challenge. I'm perfectly fine with people getting full money to do the race however they want. I do want at least optional restrictions in place so I can enjoy the game HOW I WANT TO.

 

[alfredchiwai]

Seasonal event 3 is too easy to be funny, which can't satisfy the players who want challenges. On the other hand, the players who want to buy cars could win easy money in the new events. To strike a balance, I would suggest that PD set 2 events with restrictions and 3 without.

 

[SonicVolcano]

The seasonal events are now possible for all kinds of gamers/racers. Now the novices have a chance as well. I don't see the problem. If you like a challenge, have a look at your opponents and match your car to the rest.

Plus, I did a test and tuned my Focus '06 drastically and did the race. It wasn't even that easy. I overtook the other Focus in the beginning of lap 5. So, there you go. Maximizing your car is never a 100% guarantee of winning the race. There are also other factors like turning, braking etc.

 

[TurboProp]

GT buyer #1 wants a challenge
GT buyer #2 wants to race to make money and collect cars. Maybe even dupe some cars.
GT buyer #3 wants to buy a car and ram it straight into a wall for 8 hrs a day

Dude, LMAO at that.

Point well made again, it's no skin off of your $crotum if someone aces the events with a low flying F-16. We all bought the game for different reasons and have fun with it.

For my challenge I get an American street car (not an RM or LM), max it out, go to Indy and run against more powerful American race cars and try to beat them. I run usually 5 races and tune in between races. I usually don't win (the motor is there but not the down-force) and just try to power-slide through the corners. I'm happy as a lark going from 10th to 6th. I earn credit and XP in doing so and had fun to boot. That's the beauty of the GAME. It's fun in different ways to alot of folk.

 

[FLIGHT50]

What is the problem with coming 2nd or 3rd though? If the challenge is tough enough then surely there is no shame in coming in outside 1st place? Games have always had difficulty levels and only the best at the game can beat the game on the highest difficulty level. Why is it suddenly necessary to have a game where everybody can achieve first place?

I didn't say there was a problem. For me, I just wanted a trophy for finishing. I kept trying and trying til I was content and excepted my limits. Most casual drivers want gold. That is the ultimate goal is it not. Gold is not for everyone but most want to place 3rd or better. Some refuse 2nd or 3rd and only want gold, both casual and hardcore alike.

Why must everyone have to be able to come 1st, lifes not like that?

Because its a game and not real life. You can't honestly compare reality to a game. This is why they make games. To do stuff take most can't do in real life.

I love the new events and am glad the restrictions are off the old. Now we are free to make the races as hard or easy as we please. everyone wins. All this crying is ridiculous.

Yep. Agree. Everyone wins. What most are failing to realize is that the vast majority of people that play this game quite simply aren't as good as they might be. Taylor the game to your liking and yes everyone wins. Making it too hard for some will drive off the casuals, Making it too easy for the hardcore, well if your hardcore, you will still play the game anyways.

I am a little above average GT racer. I don't see the problem. If I wanted the challenge, I would remove all assist or what not to make it more challenge. Be consider for others lack of skill is basically what I am getting at.

 

[nickg07]

I can't believe the number of people that agree with this. It wasn't the group 1 people that were complaining to cause the events to be changed now was it. I want a challenge. I couldn't care less if others don't. I couldn't care less if everyone had every car in the game and everything unlocked. I'd be happy if everyone enjoyed the game exactly how they want to. Doesn't change the fact that I want a challenge. I'm perfectly fine with people getting full money to do the race however they want. I do want at least optional restrictions in place so I can enjoy the game HOW I WANT TO.

I know its like a load of braindead bandwagon groupies have jumped in when it was themselves who were complaining and now are happy.

As I remember it the good drivers shared tips tunes and advice on how to crack them.

I don't see any of that now because they have been needed so this braindead hoarse can simply overpower their way through it all in 15 minutes flat.

And then they tell us that we were the.ones complaining. Short memories indeed.

 

[speedthrill]

I can't believe the number of people that agree with this. It wasn't the group 1 people that were complaining to cause the events to be changed now was it. I want a challenge. I couldn't care less if others don't. I couldn't care less if everyone had every car in the game and everything unlocked. I'd be happy if everyone enjoyed the game exactly how they want to. Doesn't change the fact that I want a challenge. I'm perfectly fine with people getting full money to do the race however they want. I do want at least optional restrictions in place so I can enjoy the game HOW I WANT TO.

That wasn't his point, just a mear example in my point of view and reading, his point is why we are all quoting him for: Everybody is different! So stop controlling or trying to control others...

 

[YellowG1]

GT buyer #1 wants a challenge
GT buyer #2 wants to race to make money and collect cars. Maybe even dupe some cars.
GT buyer #3 wants to buy a car and ram it straight into a wall for 8 hrs a day

All 3 paid money for the game. None of them are stealing or cheating. All 3 can make the game as difficult or as easy as they like by using the correct car. Yet Buyer #1 is the one that is always crying. Buyer #1 that complains is what you would call the president of the home owners association here in so cal. They want everybody to live by thier rules. You may even say they should run for a government position. They want to CONTROL.

Set the car to lower hp than the Other cars in the event an you have a challenge. Set it higher and it is easier. Both are happy. But buyer #1 isn't happy because how dare buyer #2 get things easy!!! That can't be!!! Well because maybe buyer #2 didn't buy the game for the same reasons as you. And buyer #3 is still happy smashing into walls.

Moral of the story, stop trying to control others actions when they don't hurt you.

Very well said. 👍

 

[saidaouita]

This is a free world not ran by dictators. We choose how difficult to make it.

 

[Destinkeys]

I don't get it... some of the previous seasonal challenges were no harder to gold than some of the License Tests. I've STILL got a few I haven't golded yet. Should I complain that PD made the tests too hard, too...?

There is a complete difference between TUNING your way to a podium and UPGRADING your way to a podium. The previous seasonals were amongst the only challenges in the game where you couldn't simply swamp your opponents with horsepower, where getting the right TUNE made the difference. But, for the casual gamer, there is an excellent tuner forum here, where many of the solutions to beating the seasonals were posted.

But for ONCE, it showed those playing the game casually just how MUCH their times could improve simply by getting the setup right. You would think they would take some pleasure in this, but apparently no. I guess making the challenges harder simply interfered with their time spent gifting and duplicating back to themselves

But, all this doesn't mean that PD don't share some actual blame. Firstly, for making the overall game so DUMB that it can't recognize that you have entered an event with a car two or three times as powerful as the 'typical opponents', and change those opponents accordingly. Jeez! How hard would THAT have been to implement? Laugh all you like about Shift's handling, but at least if you upgraded your car, the AI got a bit faster as a response to it, and cars were sectioned off into at least four tiers (five online) that couldn't race each other. I don't know about you, but watching a Veyron race a Vitz isn't my idea of racing!

And secondly, whatever happened to being able to downtune your cars? IRL, you can take an upgrade OFF if you want to enter a spec race, not have to buy another copy of the car altogether. Until you RM a car, ALL upgrades should be removable. You can do it for SOME upgrades (select the tranny, things like that) but few of them actually downtune your car. IRL, if you took out too much weight for a spec series, you can add ballast. Not GT5. Once it is gone, you have to buy another car! That's retarded!

Finally (well, it isn't, but it's the last idiotic feature I'll mention in THIS post!!), there's no way to store and recall a tune, or set of upgrades once bought. Move around between A-Spec, B-Spec, seasonal events and online, you often need quite different sets of upgrades and tunes on any specific car. Why we have no ability to store these is once again, retarded! This is the 21'st century, and I have to WRITE DOWN on paper what tune I use for each car on each track for each event?

All of these details missing is laziness in the extreme. it's not like GT5 is PD's first trip out the door. These issues MUST have come up in the past. Why were they given so little attention. Graphics are nice and all that, but it's little details like these that make the difference between a great GAME and a poor one. That PD have to vacillate between different approaches for seasonal events simply to mitigate the problems their inattention have precipitated is only the end result of their extreme laziness in coding this game.

Personally, I'm for going back to the original seasonal event approach. I have appreciated being set limits as tight as some of the License and Special Events, but in those, the car for the event was provided. You didn't have to go out and buy it every time, or duplicate an existing car because you already upgraded past the specifications and can't detune. Perhaps, if PD can't address all the above issues, they could at least provide a blank car for each event that you can tune and upgrade yourself, but gets used ONLY in that event (doesn't appear in your garage)?

After blunder after blunder in the gameplay of what COULD have been an excellent game, I am starting, against all my expectations, to look forward to Shift 2 Unleashed. If they improve the physics to anything even CLOSE to GT5's, it is going to be a much better GAME. Simply because they didn't sit on their backsides during development, and leave out obvious gameplay elements...

GT5 is a year still away from completion, at the rate we are going.

 

[nickg07]

So you choose the licence difficulty do you? Or the special events? No.

Isn't it enough that you can stomp 95% of a spec with any amount of power you want?

 

[Ritterkreuz]

I guess making the challenges harder simply interfered with their time spent gifting and duplicating back to themselves

See, that line right there offends me. I like the unrestricted races, and no, I have never duplicated or gifted a car to myself. Just because I'm not a hard core extremest that doesn't mean that I'm automatically a glitch exploiter either.

 

[SergioRZ]

I love PD for GT5 Online, and I thank them for it.
I love PD for GT5 Premium Cars, and I thank them for it.
I love PD for GT5 800+ Standard Cars, and I thank them for it.

That's all I need.

A-Spec / B-Spec / Seasonal Events ... and so on... mean very little to me, except prize cars and MONEY to get the cars that I love and go online play with my friends.

I love GT5!

 

[Gaiajohan]

Set the car to lower hp than the Other cars in the event an you have a challenge.

Well, how can I lower the output of the Audi TTS I golded being bone stock with comfort soft. Yes I could go comfort medium or hard, but it seems quite normal to start such a challenge keeping the car stock. Instead of paying for worse tyres?
And I've no idea how to lower the output..

 

[INSTG8R]

I love the new events and am glad the restrictions are off the old. Now we are free to make the races as hard or easy as we please. everyone wins. All this crying is ridiculous.

We have the ENTIRE A-Spec to do that with...Besides the few races with tire restrictions you are free to do that thru out the entire series.

These were a great set of challenges that stood out. Now they are just A-spec races.

 

[FLIGHT50]

GT buyer #1 wants a challenge
GT buyer #2 wants to race to make money and collect cars. Maybe even dupe some cars.
GT buyer #3 wants to buy a car and ram it straight into a wall for 8 hrs a day

All 3 paid money for the game. None of them are stealing or cheating. All 3 can make the game as difficult or as easy as they like by using the correct car. Yet Buyer #1 is the one that is always crying. Buyer #1 that complains is what you would call the president of the home owners association here in so cal. They want everybody to live by thier rules. You may even say they should run for a government position. They want to CONTROL.

Set the car to lower hp than the Other cars in the event an you have a challenge. Set it higher and it is easier. Both are happy. But buyer #1 isn't happy because how dare buyer #2 get things easy!!! That can't be!!! Well because maybe buyer #2 didn't buy the game for the same reasons as you. And buyer #3 is still happy smashing into walls.

Moral of the story, stop trying to control others actions when they don't hurt you. We have enough of that from our government in america. Don't need it from a fricken game.

lol. I like this break down. Very nicely put. We all have our own PS3s so we can control our own destiny. No one is getting hurt. I think it boils down to bragging rights to say what you can do. I am starting to get tired of some saying aww that race was easy, it was too easy for me, etc. And that same race may be nearly impossible for others to get even 3rd place.

Where there ever this many complaints in GT4. I doubt it, it wasn't online. Seems as though PD can't catch a break with GT5. The casuals severely outnumber the hardcores. PD/Sony wants sales, not make everyone pros. Race the time trials if you want a challenge or restrict the cars yourself. I too am in it to win it. If there is an easier route, I am for it. I can restrict later for a particular race.

I personally think these events are likely to undergo further modifications whenever the next update is released. As someone else said I would expect that PD are tracking number of attempts, where people achieve, seeing how people are progressing on the game etc to learn the best way to balance the challenge for all users not just the hardcore who inhabit this board.

I am sure tracking is what lead them to the modification. The number of success compared to fails was far below what they aimed for. I agree that they should mix up the difficulty within each batch, not every other bonus race.

 

[Ritterkreuz]

We have the ENTIRE A-Spec to do that with...Besides the few races with tire restrictions you are free to do that thru out the entire series.

These were a great set of challenges that stood out. Now they are just A-spec races.

And we're glad for it. honestly, go be an Uber-gamer somewhere else. Why should only 10% of all players get to enjoy every aspect of the game? You want a challenge, change your tires or something along that line. Honestly, I'm sick of the "l33t" gamers demanding that every game be so impossible that only they themselves can enjoy them.

 

[Destinkeys]

See, that line right there offends me. I like the unrestricted races, and no, I have never duplicated or gifted a car to myself. Just because I'm not a hard core extremest that doesn't mean that I'm automatically a glitch exploiter either.

And, I suppose, just because YOU haven't done that, no-one has?

If you like unrestricted, it simply means you are probably winning by overmuscling your way to the podium. Now, be honest... did you enjoy any of the License Tests and Special Events, or do you also hate THEM for not being able to set them up so winning is a breeze?

IMO, if you overmuscle a car to the podium, you ARE a glitch exploiter, because the game is too DUMB to recognize you have gone past the HP and weight limits of the 'Typical Opponents'. You probably don't see it as that way, though... If the game allows it, no matter HOW retarded, it MUST be OK, right?

So tell me about those License Tests and Special Events again... You done them, yet? It must grind your gears to have to play them the way the game makers INTENDED!

 

[RacingManiac]

Not everyone finds restarting a race 40 times rewarding, and looking at the ones who did vote you guys ranting about this are out numbered.

Ditto to that. Something like that Focus around Madrid was among some of the most boring driving I've done in GT5. Even if I did do it 40 time and gold it I wouldn't have found it "rewarding". I don't make real money from this game, I don't need to spend my off-work hour "working" for fake money...

 

[starkrush]

On the bright side for everyone, that oil change won't make you have to buy a new car.

I personally enjoyed the challenge but also love overpowering competition - not for the sake of it, but just by tuning cars and driving fast. Now I can do a "pimp my prius"

 

[Destinkeys]

BTW, I don't get how anyone having to make a tune to a car is being extreme in the least. I mean, if you wanted to play Mod Nation, why didn't you BUY Mod Nation..?

Sorry, actually, that's a poor comparison. There is FAR more customization in Mod Nation than there is in GT5! Maybe Mario Kart is a better game for you..! Or NFS Hot Pursuit, if you MUST drive supercars around...

Tuning and upgrading isn't hardcore, it is the BASIC element in racing. I just don't get it. Probably the same people that are against going to the upgrade parts parameters and applying a tune spend HOURS on their custom avatars for other games, and customization options for their FPS players. What's the difference?

 

[prymet1me]

And, I suppose, just because YOU haven't done that, no-one has?

If you like unrestricted, it simply means you are probably winning by overmuscling your way to the podium. Now, be honest... did you enjoy any of the License Tests and Special Events, or do you also hate THEM for not being able to set them up so winning is a breeze?

IMO, if you overmuscle a car to the podium, you ARE a glitch exploiter, because the game is too DUMB to recognize you have gone past the HP and weight limits of the 'Typical Opponents'. You probably don't see it as that way, though... If the game allows it, no matter HOW retarded, it MUST be OK, right?

So tell me about those License Tests and Special Events again... You done them, yet? It must grind your gears to have to play them the way the game makers INTENDED!

You sound mad bro, do you want to go take his ps3 and game because he isnt playing it the way you think he should. I wonder if they boost the money and xp for the next season with no restrictions if you guys will cry more.

 

[JeffKill]

So tell me about those License Tests and Special Events again... You done them, yet? It must grind your gears to have to play them the way the game makers INTENDED!

This statement is too damn funny. Apparently it's not how they INTENDED the entire game to be played, now is it?? All of A-spec says otherwise...

I cant speak for Ritterkreuz, but I've done all the special events and loved all of them. I also haven't had a hard time finding a car to keep my A-spec races competitive either.

 

[FLIGHT50]

Except player 1 was happy with the challenge. It was all the wall bangers who complained so it got dumbed down enough for even them to win.

Its the crashers and adhd kids who got everything nurfed for everyone else.

The sad thing I'd that most wall bangers don't even realise they are one themselves.

This is an unfair statement. There are lot of age variances playing this game. Not everyone is playing for the same reasons. See the GT buyer 1-3 post. There are some that love or want to play but will never be anything better than average or below. They bought the game, why shouldn't they be able to accomplish races and events. This game was not made for hardcore fans. It was made for the general public to enjoy. To enjoy all its flaws, it challenges, its features, realism, lack there off, its over achievements.

P.S. PD, I am sorry for all of us that are complaining, many of us appreciate what your doing with all the updates.

 

[RacingManiac]

So tell me about those License Tests and Special Events again... You done them, yet? It must grind your gears to have to play them the way the game makers INTENDED!

I don't think people racing the American Car Championship around Indy for a million times to make credit was how the game was intended to be played....

Everyone paid money for their game, they should be allowed to enjoy it their own way. There are license tests in games like GTR2 also on PC, and I've owned the game for 3 years and have yet to do even a single test in that game. And I doubt I am the minority.

In previous GT I didn't even bother to try to gold all the events and licenses, because there are enough races to make money and get some racing done. In GT5 I chose to try to gold as much as I can since I find that to be less of a "work" vs racing the same race over and over for money and exp. But I think both methods are flawed since its still more "work" than "playing". At the end of the day golding all licenses vs not doesn't necessarily make you faster or slower in game. I get my ass handed to me by people with mostly bronze and silver, and I can beat my friend in straight race who got 60 Gold. Doesn't mean much really....

 

[Gaiajohan]

You sound mad bro, do you want to go take his ps3 and game because he isnt playing it the way you think he should. I wonder if they boost the money and xp for the next season with no restrictions if you guys will cry more.

I think he's mad because he can't play the game like he wants.. So with some kinda tight restrictions like in GT4, and the seasonal challenges and normal challenges in GT5..

 

[orCa]

UPDATE - added a poll!

So these were the redeeming feature in GT5 that was renewing people's faith in PD. Actual challenging races where you had to pay attention to upgrades and tuning. I loved them, as did many others based on comments in these forums.

Now all tuning restrictions have been removed from the 2nd round of events and the 3rd have none to start with.

Why is PD so out of touch with the end users? Being challenged to drive fast and consistent, and fine tune settings was an eye opener to how much detail is in the game. After struggling all week at 14 seconds behind the leader in the GT-R event to winning tonight at 9:45 pm EST (15 minutes before the 1st events closed) with a gap of 0.446 to the Ford in second place by just tuning the car right was amazing!

Now all that can easily be overlooked - it is easier to make an 800hp car and annihilate the competition than to work at improving skill. How many people new to GT5 will do just that and then wonder what all the fuss is about?

Rant over - back to birthday glitching and duping, something the seasonal events were enough to tear me away from!

nothing has changed; seasonal events have never been hard, not a single one. And the GT-R SS5 event was one of the easiest to be honest (excluding events #3 as I havent driven them yet).