Second Anniversery of 9/11

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Originally posted by boombexus
How does it get "crammed" down the worlds throat? I mean does it get "crammed" down the throats of Slovakians? Austrailians? Just wondering, I don't get the news from over there.

Ooooh goodness me yes - and how...

The thing that gets me now is that apparently it's okay to show shots of the plane hitting the towers now, which is fine the first couple of times, but when it's run again and again....
 
Originally posted by boombexus


Where should that line be drawn in your opinion?

I don't know, honestly. Of course, you'd want to remember what happened, but i don't think you want to over-do it, to the point where it's the only think you hear/read of. It's not a good thing if there's too much of it, but it's not a good thing if there's too little.
 
Originally posted by vat_man
Ooooh goodness me yes - and how...

The thing that gets me now is that apparently it's okay to show shots of the plane hitting the towers now, which is fine the first couple of times, but when it's run again and again....

So who is showing this repeated footage? Is it the US media or the Austrailian media?

If it's the Austrailin media, why do they keep showing you an event that didn't happen on your soil? What purpose does it serve them by doing that?

I can understand that PR might get feed a bunch of footage from 9/11 as Canada is a neighbor of the US.

Do you think that a lot of people would echo the statement that mayorbill made?
 
Originally posted by boombexus


I can understand that PR might get feed a bunch of footage from 9/11 as Canada is a neighbor of the US.

Do you think that a lot of people would echo the statement that mayorbill made?

I wouldn't go as far as cramming, mind you. When i watch TV, it usually comes from the states, so it's normal we get roughly what you guys get.

Different countries, different mindsets... even if we're just miles apart. I find it hard to explain what i want to say, because we deal with news differently, in a way. While CNN, NBC, CBS, etc... stayed 24/7 at ground zero for a few weeks, the CBC (and other important Canadian broadcasters) would show only a few minutes of coverage every day. They'd only show the "highlights" of what had happened during the day, if they'd find survivors or not, etc, and then move off to something else. IMO, that's the best way of covering stuff. Show something else, to get people's minds off the stuff that's happening, and if something important happens/is found, then get on with the special broadcast.
 
Originally posted by boombexus
So who is showing this repeated footage? Is it the US media or the Austrailian media?

If it's the Austrailin media, why do they keep showing you an event that didn't happen on your soil? What purpose does it serve them by doing that?

I can understand that PR might get feed a bunch of footage from 9/11 as Canada is a neighbor of the US.

Do you think that a lot of people would echo the statement that mayorbill made?

I get CNN, Foxnews, Skynews, BBC, Bloomberg, as well as the locals. I would suggest it would be the same across most of the networks, although Foxnews is a notable offender.

The reason it would get coverage here is guess where we source most of our international news coverage from? Yup - CNN, Foxnews et al. News coverage is, apart from the two government stations ABC and SBS, to be frank, dreadful. The media is dominated by two players here, Newscorp and PBL.

It's getting some prominence here because of the links between JI, the Bali bombings (the trials are running at the moment) and Al Qaeda - not to mention a Prime Minister who's happy to play up to the public's paranoia at the moment, as it serves his own political interest.

I think a lot of people here are 'resigned' to it more than anything - it's to be expected, particularly with the War on Terror™ and Iraq going on. Ties between the two countries are pretty close, and quite a few people here lost relatives and friends. Hell, a relative of mine would have been in the child-care centre at WTC on that morning had not my great-aunt decided to stay another week in NYC - she saw the whole thing from a cousin's Manhatten apartment.

It'll be interesting to see how it fades into the collected memory. I can clearly remember the moment when I first heard of the attacks, and I probably always will.
 
Interesting points PR and vat!

I think that what PR mentioned about "different countries, different mindsets" is interesting. Would you say the same vat_man? Since it didn't happen on your soil, you really have no need to be reminded of that day? I think that I might feel that way if I were in your position.

I guess the mood that I preceive form either mayorbills post (for lack of a better example) and others I have come across whether it was this year or last, would be that there is a negative connotation revolving around the way US citizens and or media treat/honor/remember/observe 9/11/01 by other countries and quite possibly here at home too. True?

If something of this magnitude happened on your shores, how would you feel about it? I know that you could only imagine, but to the best of your honest ability, how would your country and your fellow citizens observe such a tragedy?
 
I really don't want to talk about this again. I got myself in enough trouble last time.

In short, I believe that rememberance is so overemphasized that understanding has virutally no meaning.

We had a discussion about 9/11 in my history class today. Nobody realized that we weren't attacked by a country, but by a radical fundamentalists terrorist group. They may have received government funding, but the terrorists were not a country in any official capacity. Despite the fact that these children remember that 9/11 happened, they seem to have no clue how or why it happened. They don't even know who did it. I think that is the main problem with a highly publicized event; it seems to lose its actual meaning and becomes only a painful memory, rather than a painful memory that actually teaches people about the world.

I'll admit that it was entertaining to watch the students simply regurgitate the exact same things that they had heard on the news or from their parents. Impressionable young minds. It's no wonder that over half of college students are liberals.
 
Originally posted by boombexus
Since it didn't happen on your soil, you really have no need to be reminded of that day? I think that I might feel that way if I were in your position.

No - I don't agree with that. The symbolism of the attack went well past a simple strike at the US - it struck at western civilisation. It's an event that should be observed - I just don't care for the way it's being covered here by the media - it borders on hysteria at times.

I guess the mood that I preceive form either mayorbills post (for lack of a better example) and others I have come across whether it was this year or last, would be that there is a negative connotation revolving around the way US citizens and or media treat/honor/remember/observe 9/11/01 by other countries and quite possibly here at home too. True?

If something of this magnitude happened on your shores, how would you feel about it? I know that you could only imagine, but to the best of your honest ability, how would your country and your fellow citizens observe such a tragedy?

I don't think there's any issue with how US citizens are observing it - the one year anniversary ceremonies at Ground Zero were very tasteful and particularly moving. Again, it's the coverage and the obsession with the visual aspects of the attack that is somewhat galling.

It is hard to say how such a tragedy would be handled here. Australia's a bit unusual in that just about all disasters involving 'major' loss of have taken place overseas - the world wars and Bali come to mind. Consequently, there is no local place to focus on. If it was an attack on a building, I think we'd make a point of cleaning it up and rebuilding it as quickly as possible - both as a tribute to the dead, and to show the strength of the Australian spirit.

It's been interesting to see the reaction post-Bali. Families of the victims have been left to go on with their lives, but little reminders appear here and there - mention of one of the footy clubs affected here, survivor makes the news here. Again, it's been different - the attack occured in Bali, and it appears the Indonesians have caught (and are trying) the people responsible.
 
Originally posted by vat_man
Again, it's been different - the attack occured in Bali, and it appears the Indonesians have caught (and are trying) the people responsible.


Didn't they sentence the head master-mind to death?
 
Originally posted by boombexus


If something of this magnitude happened on your shores, how would you feel about it? I know that you could only imagine, but to the best of your honest ability, how would your country and your fellow citizens observe such a tragedy?

The same way we approached it when it happened two years ago... I remember, to the exact second, all of that day, like most of you. It, honestly, scared the living **** out of me. I remember the second plane hitting the tower, that cameraman in the street, running for his life, with that immense cloud of debris and smoke following him, i remember the nervousness i had that day. I can't stand looking at that footage no more.

Imagine, for one second, if you knew you had a loved one that perished in either the building or one of the planes. Imagine you're a 10 year old kid, and you hear your mother or father's been killed in a savage act like that. Imagine the way you'd feel, if the media was reminding you of that event 2 days prior and how you should remember something no one really even understands yet, how you should remember the pain of seeing the building going down, with thousands of people dying in an instant. That's why i say the media's overdoing it. A simple ceremony, or a simple newscap commemorating the date would be much more respectful, in my opinion.
 
Originally posted by PunkRock
The same way we approached it when it happened two years ago... I remember, to the exact second, all of that day, like most of you. It, honestly, scared the living **** out of me. I remember the second plane hitting the tower, that cameraman in the street, running for his life, with that immense cloud of debris and smoke following him, i remember the nervousness i had that day. I can't stand looking at that footage no more.

Imagine, for one second, if you knew you had a loved one that perished in either the building or one of the planes. Imagine you're a 10 year old kid, and you hear your mother or father's been killed in a savage act like that. Imagine the way you'd feel, if the media was reminding you of that event 2 days prior and how you should remember something no one really even understands yet, how you should remember the pain of seeing the building going down, with thousands of people dying in an instant. That's why i say the media's overdoing it. A simple ceremony, or a simple newscap commemorating the date would be much more respectful, in my opinion.

Well said, and I agree with you completely even though I don't watch the news. We have had quite a small commemoration media wise here, maybe a 5 minute article on the 6 o'clock news and a few DJ's on the station of my choice have done their own little things, which I found quite nice.
 
Originally posted by Cobraboy
Didn't they sentence the head master-mind to death?
Yeah - but apparently he's appealing it.

They've actually got very good grounds for appeal - the laws they were convicted under were passed after the Bali bombings, and the Indonesion constitution forbids making laws retrospective.
 
Originally posted by PunkRock
The same way we approached it when it happened two years ago... I remember, to the exact second, all of that day, like most of you. It, honestly, scared the living **** out of me. I remember the second plane hitting the tower, that cameraman in the street, running for his life, with that immense cloud of debris and smoke following him, i remember the nervousness i had that day. I can't stand looking at that footage no more.

Imagine, for one second, if you knew you had a loved one that perished in either the building or one of the planes. Imagine you're a 10 year old kid, and you hear your mother or father's been killed in a savage act like that. Imagine the way you'd feel, if the media was reminding you of that event 2 days prior and how you should remember something no one really even understands yet, how you should remember the pain of seeing the building going down, with thousands of people dying in an instant. That's why i say the media's overdoing it. A simple ceremony, or a simple newscap commemorating the date would be much more respectful, in my opinion.


Good post PR 👍 And you said that you find it hard to explain what you want to say. ;) Reads to me that you put a lot of feeling into that one.

I also completely agree with what you said here:
A simple ceremony, or a simple newscap commemorating the date would be much more respectful, in my opinion.

I was watching a special on PBS just a few days ago concerning the 9/11 attacks and what it means and how some felt during and after. Seeing the images that they showed during that special were absolutely tear jerking. So graphic and so horrifying. I can't imagine what it would be like for someone who had an even closer envolvement.

I don't think that they should have to relive that every year. A lot of the victims families have voiced that very same sentiment. For example when the transcripts were released. A large consensus was in the belief that the transcripts shouldn't have been released as it was just another way for the media to dredge back up the hurt that some had worked so hard to forget.

But I beleive that as time passes the display of graphic images will subside and the anniversary of Sept. 11th will turn into something much like we remember December 7th 1941.
 
I remember the exact thing I was doing on September 11, 2001. I was sitting on the couch watching tv, and playing a lullaby on my guitar for my then 8.5 month-old son who woke up fussy and crying. I was watching news when they said something had just happened in New York, and switch to a live broadcast of the first plane crash.

While I was watching, I was thinking to my self, "Oh great! Now I can't watch my local news, because some idiot, who had lost all his money in the stock market, has decided to crash his plane into the World Trade Center." I began to take a guess, in my mind, about how many innocent people this stupid asshole has just killed for no good reason when it happened again. The second plane came into view, and crashed. I knew, at that exact moment, we were under attack.

I planned to watch the 6 hour video tape, of the what I recorded on tv that day, a year later, but I couldn't. My then 6 year-old son, grabbed the wrong tape, and recorded over it one day. I was upset a little then, but not anymore. I don't think we should ever see the images of that day again.

Now my son is now 7, and my other son is 2.5. What do we plan to do later today. Nothing. We'll just put out the flag, and remember something bad happened, to some nice people.

I think it is better to forget a little, so long we never forget a lot.
 
I think the common feeling was that, "this is a movie or something, how can planes possibly fly into a building?" I was on my way home from varsity, listening to the radio reports. Man that was the longest car ride i ever had.




Originally posted by Timmotheus
It's no wonder that over half of college students are liberals.

its no wonder that half of college students dont even know where Iraq is
 
The news channels where i live are running 9/11 ceremonies all day..........
 
I'm talking about the Western World, not eastern Siberia.

And yes, it is being crammed down the our world's throat. The terrorists wanted the new world scared, and they wanted the new world's attention, and they sure have done a good job of it. They got everything they wanted, and we're just forking it over. Bra-vo.

September 11th effects me, though. Not in a large way, such as a dead family member. My Dad's birthday is today, I wish he could forget about what happened and just enjoy himself.
 
As last year my thoughts are with you Americans at this rather sad time. However, i urge you to move on and let the dead rest and work towards a peaceful solution for the living.


My deepest sympathies to the friends, family and colleagues of those that died in the Twin Towers. They shall not be forgotten.
 
i was in an msn chatroom, a member announced what was happening.
 
Originally posted by mayorbill11
The terrorists wanted the new world scared, and they wanted the new world's attention, and they sure have done a good job of it. They got everything they wanted, and we're just forking it over. Bra-vo.


They waged holy war on our(new world) way of life. It's not about them wanting attention... it's about destroying an idea.

The day we forget about attrocites like those committed 2 years ago, will be the day we forget what makes our idea(democracy) so great,... the idea that every human is equal and deserves to have the freedom to express their right to opinion.

You say we should'nt make hype about the event,... I say the hype brings us closer on a worldy perspective.

Never forget,... they didnt only attack the USA, they attacked the whole world. But it's attitudes like yours that blur that fact, the fact that we're in this together, as humans. In this war against the ideals that bring pain, suffering, and oppression upon our species. Our only pain is that wich is brought on only by ourselves, as people.

These acts of terror, though well planned, are primitive. Primitive attempts to divdie opinion,.... you say they've won because of the hype.... I say they've won because they've taken away your support for our cause.
 
Isn't it our generation's date that will "live forever in infamy"? Our folks had JFK, we've got this. Ask anyone who was alive during the assassination to describe what they were doing that day, and they'll tell you, down to the last minute.

I work in film post-production, which is relevant to my memories of 9/11. I left home early to swing by my new apartment, as I was receiving furniture that morning. As I was in the front yard greeting the deliverymen, my landlord grabs me by the shoulder and says "Hey, have you seen the *****ing news?", and then proceeds to drop me in front of his TV. The first plane had just hit. I watched the second, and the collapse(s), live.

I jumped in my car, and rushed off to work, thinking I needed to tell people what was going on. I've never trembled from adrenaline so badly in my life - I was expecting all-out war within hours, and I'm Canadian...

I arrived at work, and saw that everyone was gathered in the lobby, watching TV. They'd ripped the tube out of my edit suite, in fact, and pilfered the cable running down the side of the building in order to do so. We watched for three hours straight.

At one point, realizing that nothing of much import was going to transpire for at least an hour, I grabbed a colleague or two and forced them to come have lunch with me. Though none of us were even remotely hungry, I reasoned that we had to eat eventually, and this was probably the best time. Over lunch, I recommended to them that if anyone approached us to do post for a film on these events, we should turn it down, as it could be deemed in bad taste, or controversial, or what have you.

Well, as it turns out, about a year and something later, a film did come our way which featured extensive real-life footage of the disaster, and we worked on it. For months. Up until that point, I'd managed to avoid seeing those shots of people jumping out, and then I had to watch it over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, at least a hundred times. It made no sense to me by the end.


My most vivid memory of the day itself, however, was watching people in public. We had three types:

1: "La la laaa... Life's good. Nothing happening."
2: "Holy armageddon! I just heard the news and I'm wired! I need to talk about it!"
3: "I feel like I've been run over by a tank. I've been watching the news and talking about events for five hours straight."

The most fascinating thing was watching the proportions of one type versus the other type shift during the day, from a predominance of type one, to a predominance of type two, to a predominance of type three.


Lest we forget, despite everything; despite how tragic this was, and how livid it made people - myself included, that this cannot be singled out as the sole nor even the largest or most senseless mass assassination of innocents in recent history. It was merely the most public, the most spectacular, and directed toward the most dangerous of targets.
 
Originally posted by Red Eye Racer
you say they've won because of the hype.... I say they've won because they've taken away your support for our cause.

What cause is that, *****ing about a ****ing building?

Sorry, two buildings.

I was more interested in the 'war in iraq' footage to see how many American cars I could see in the middle east.
 
Originally posted by mayorbill11
I was more interested in the 'war in iraq' footage to see how many American cars I could see in the middle east.

They all drove Toyotas in Afghanistan. I remember a Toyota spokesperson having to make public commentary about how it only demonstrated that members of the Taliban recognized quality and reliability as much as anyone else anywhere else. The burlesque follows us everywhere.
 
Originally posted by mayorbill11
What cause is that, *****ing about a ****ing building?

Sorry, two buildings.

I was more interested in the 'war in iraq' footage to see how many American cars I could see in the middle east.


People like the terrorists of 9/11 would kill you if they had the chance,... maybe the hype is supposed to remind you of that. It sounds more like your just plain ol' anti-american and your forgetting that this was an attack on of all civilized humanity. But then again, I dont consider your thoughts very civilized, so, I guess your no better than them. Your either for freedom or against it,... pick a side and quit thrashin america.
 
No, lots of people in Iraq drive GMs.

I saw one of these on the news.

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Originally posted by Red Eye Racer
People like the terrorists of 9/11 would kill you if they had the chance,... maybe the hype is supposed to remind you of that. It sounds more like your just plain ol' anti-american and your forgetting that this was an attack on of all civilized humanity. But then again, I dont consider your thoughts very civilized, so, I guess your no better than them. Your either for freedom or against it,... pick a side and quit thrashin america.

I would kill them if I had the chance, because I am a ninja and they suck.

Pick this, douchebag.
 
Two years later, things have changed.

I was worried about getting on a plane for a while, but after last New Year's, I think things are safer. Cockpit doors have locks on them. Luggage is searched more often. People have to spill out thier belongings, etc.

But atitudes have changed a little since last year; I remember September 11th, 2002 becuase I had to make a delivery full of school supplies to several schools (the driver was sick). All the radio stations played tapes of their broadcasts from the year before, a break from the usual morning shows. Stations played upbeat, happier music. It was gray all day long, and the sun never shoewd it's face in So. Florida. A day to remember because it was sort of sorrowful. And business at my job was very slow. People just seemed a little more demotivated than before. That's the pain of rememberance.

A year later, today; the sun is out, and people are in a cheerier mood than yesterday, and I think a little has to do with the fact that the same horrible images of planes crashing, bulidings falling, people yelling and screaming, and sirens pointlessly blaring aren't filling the airwaves. We are a little closer to closure, and that's good to see. You cannot move on from any tragedy, whether private or public, by dwelling constantly about it.

So it's nice to see a memorial, a moment of silence, and to never forget the day's events of September 11th, 2001. But let us not feel trapped, because nowhere is it written that September 11th, 2003 is doomed to be a bad day for anyone.
 
you know why. why did the terrorist attacks ever happen. thats the one question everyone asks,why?why,why,why?:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
 
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