Second Anniversery of 9/11

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Originally posted by nitro_2003
you know why. why did the terrorist attacks ever happen. thats the one question everyone asks,why?why,why,why?:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(



Ask Bush!

...open your eyes PEOPLE!
 
So... today at school(TTC - college) not one person mentioned 9/11. I was surprised, yet relieved at the same time.

I found it funny how our school didn't have the flag up on the pole at all today, but they've had it up everyday so far up until today.:odd:
 
It was probably flying at half mast. I think that is the regulation for today.
 
I've been hearing bits and pieces of the memorial in NYC, and various people's rememberances on the radio throughout the day. It's been making me pretty emotional, just like when it happened. I think we've all forgotten to different degrees, but it's the kind of forgetting we need to survive. At the same time, I allow myself to remember the people jumping to their deaths, the towers falling and the cries and screams from the streets; we need to remember to survive, too. Most of all I remember Osama Bin Laden laughing and I feel an exquisite, flawless rage, an indestructible hatred for monsters who wish for and commit these atrocities.
 
As I related to some super moderator, we had a girl crying today - she said her reason was that "I just realised I'll never be able to forget." I didn't really realise people got that emotional - we're all just numb to violence. Which may not be a bad thing.
 
I'm not sure what's happening in Australia, but from what I've seen, the American media has been surprisingly good about it - Coverage about the memorials and some reflecting, then moving on. And really, I think that's quite appropriate... one day to briefly reflect on the physical and symbolic losses, reflect on the heroes of the day, then to move along as normal. Dwelling on something is never a good idea, but keeping it in mind is.

Also, as a semi-related side-note:

Especially around here, you often hear that people outside of New York and outside of families/friends of those who were killed aren't really affected emotionally by the attacks (government actions that spawned from the attacks aside). However, I know that personally it means a lot to me - I stood in one of the Twin Towers less than 2 months before the attacks. I remember that feeling of b being in something so great, so powerful, so much of an accomplishment to build. Many people consider the Twin Towers to have been symbols, because they were huge buildings where parts of the world came together for business. I see them as that, but also as one of the greatest examples of the greatest thing of man - Our ability to use our brains to do great things. One man with his crew had a vision of these gigantic buildings... architectural masterpieces... and successfully built them, using knowledge that he acquired over the years to create, and to make the world a better place. The attacks on the towers not only killed people, but it destroyed something that was built out of love, hard work, passion, and with our most valuable tool, the brain. Those terrorists not only attacked people, but the very basic foundations of what makes mankind so great.
 
Man, my school did absoulutely nothing today, no annoucments no few moments of silence or nothing, it was pretty sad. None of my friends said anything about even. I guess they all forgot! :eek:
 
Yay, our school did nothing. But the news had a bit of it, that was ok.

Stop cramming 9/11 down the world's throat.

I sort of agree with this, mainly when I see people saying it's the worst thing that's ever happened, when clearly things like genocides in Africa, and the Atom bomb dropped in Hiroshima where MUCH MUCH worse than this, yet these things don't get that much media coverage.
 
also 9/11 is the anniversay of the Battle of Stirling Bridge, 1297 where Robert the Bruce, King of Scots defeated the dreaded English at Stirling...this is a FAR FAR more relavant date to me than anything else that happened on that date
 
I heard a few times yesterday, most notably from Donald Rumsfeld, that the people who died in the towers, aside from rescue workers, were "heroes"... and not only that, but they were "heroes" just as much as any soldier on the front lines. That pisses me off. There is nothing heroic about going to work and happening to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. Saying such things only cheapens heroism.
 
good point milefile...but i think Donald was trying to appease the masses when he said that...obviously since i am at my desk right now, i am only a hero if i get bombed by terrorists but if i make it home after an ordinary day then i am an ordinary joe...
 
They were Heroes to their families and friends. Many of them were working to support their families. I think of my Dad as a hero and all he did was put in 12 hours a day 6 days a week for 33 years working on machines that kept other people working just to put food on the table and a roof over our heads.
Those people are our fallen comrades.Our brothers and sisters, our Mothers and Fathers, our friends and our neighbors. That makes them heroes to someone.
 
Originally posted by DGB454
How is being numb to violence not a bad thing M5?
So we're not emotionally devastated and depressed everytime something violent happens.
 
Originally posted by DODGE the VIPER
Atom bomb dropped in Hiroshima where MUCH MUCH worse than this, yet these things don't get that much media coverage.

Thats because the media is censored by the [U.S.] goverment, (that [U.S.] was for m5power) thus turning it into a propoganda machine. The media did not cover the Hiroshima bombing as much because the [U.S.] government did not want the people to see all of what was going on and decide that it was wrong. The bombing ended the war, that was the only good part about it.
 
nothign good came from Hiroshima bombing...nothing...
it was an unforgivable dispicable act and the worst case of indiscriminate killing the world has ever seen...god bless america.
 
Originally posted by TurboSmoke
nothign good came from Hiroshima bombing...nothing...
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It didn't, like, end any wars or anything.
 
M5,

the single event that ended WW2 was the cracking of the enigma code....mass killing and destruction didnt end the war...

edit:

the code break brought about the downfall of the Nazis rather than ending it flat...

if the bomb had landed on Berlin then you could say that it ended the war....

i spose Hiroshima did end the private conflict between America and Japan, but had no effect on the allies fighting in Europe and the Navy around the rest of the world
 
Originally posted by TurboSmoke
M5,

the single event that ended WW2 was the cracking of the enigma code....mass killing and destruction didnt end the war...

The "cracking" of the enigma machine was quite instrumental in defeating Germany in the European theatre. It however did not play such a signifigant role in the Pacific theatre where the Japanese reigned.
In '45 things were starting to turn bad for the Japanese. They lost key islands (Midway, Okanawa, ect.) and were on the retreat. But they still fought a fierce, fierce battle. Now the last major battle was to be the battle for the island of Japan. With a hard pressed nation of millions defending there home country from an invading foreign nation, how many more people, USA, Japanaese or otherwise would have died in a battle for Japan? Thousands? Probably in the first hour of that landing. Tens of thousands? Probably within the first few weeks. Hundreds of thousands. I'd guarantee that. Millions? Who know's but with the ferocity and determination the Japanese fought with, (think of how many would be willing to sacrifice there life for their country. Kamakazi?) it could have certainly, and most easily led to that many wounded, deaths, and a country in greater ruin than what 2 atomic bombs did.

So "mass killing and destruction" were, in a logical way, avoided, by dropping those two dreadful weapons. Little Boy and Fat Man. Where an estimated 210,000 people died.
 
Hi Boombexus

its true that the war was fought on many fronts by many armies of different nationalities and i dont know what they teach in American schools, but it is generally accepeted that the turning point in the war was indeed the recovery of the enigma machine (grossly misportreyed by hollywood)...not the Nuclear bombs on Japan...

the surrender of the Japanese speeded up the ending but was not the sole incident that ended the war...

cheers
TS
 
Originally posted by TurboSmoke
Hi Boombexus

its true that the war was fought on many fronts by many armies of different nationalities and i dont know what they teach in American schools, but it is generally accepeted that the turning point in the war was indeed the recovery of the enigma machine (grossly misportreyed by hollywood)...not the Nuclear bombs on Japan...

the surrender of the Japanese speeded up the ending but was not the sole incident that ended the war...

cheers
TS

Maybe in Europe the war in the Pacific isn't emphasized. It went on after the end of the war in Europe. After the benefit of the cracking of the Enigma code was reaped, Japan still fought and refused to accept inevitable defeat. Their military and citizenry had been indoctrinated to accept death over defeat. A battle for Japan would easily have killed millions of people... easily. In fact, it wouldn't have ended until only a minority of Japanese who weren't willing to die were left, the nation would've been detroyed, the suffering of war would've been protracted indefinitely. The toll on America would've been unspeakable, too. Not considering the retrospective, long term implications of the nuclear age, the atomic bomb saved countless lives and ended WWII. For America there was much more than Hitler.

The anti-Americanism in your posts is evident. I wonder what solution you'd propose as an alterative to ending the war in the Pacific? Your perception of WWII is one that is clearly Eurocentric. It is worth noting that if America hadn't been dragged into the war in Europe you'd be eating sourkraut and wearing liederhosen. "God bless America". So while we were dragged into our own unprovoked war with an imperial Japan, we still helped out our European neighbors simultaneously. What has Scotland done for anyone, ever?

There are many reasons to hate America, especially if you don't live here. In fact is seems to be quite fashionable among apathetic socialists. The predictable script of America haters is pretty worn out by now and just makes me roll my eyes. Please learn a little about history before you refer to half of WWII as a "private conflict" and say things like:

"nothign good came from Hiroshima bombing...nothing...
it was an unforgivable dispicable act and the worst case of indiscriminate killing the world has ever seen...god bless america."

It's embarassing. War is hell. The winner chooses the ending. We won. How typical of a socialist to prefer suffering over a speedy victory; how typical of a socialist to prefer pity over strength.
 
Milefile my friend...

i am not Anti American and it seems that anyone that disagrees with you is branded a 'Socialist' regrdless of thier political persuasion....

if a person with a social concience is a socialist then i hold my hand up...my idea of subduing a nation is not to bomb the hell out of it as in Japan, Afganistan and Iraq...its obvious that the current trend in the middle east is 'who cares who dies'...if it saves american lives then its worth it...no questions asked..

Scotland invented god....America's god..the television set, amoung thousands of other thigs....without which modern america wouldnt exist...hollywodd wouldnt exist and the economy of america was founded on rich British, mostly Scots emigrating there such as Carnegie....a huge amount of white people in America, Aus and NZ are from Scottish extraction and of course the name McDonalds is Scottish too....thats what Scotland did for America...

if you see anti americanism in my posts, youre paranoid.
 
Originally posted by TurboSmoke
Milefile my friend...

i am not Anti American and it seems that anyone that disagrees with you is branded a 'Socialist' regrdless of thier political persuasion....
You say this, ignoring the fact that I used the label to describe you because...
if a person with a social concience is a socialist then i hold my hand up...
And you are, self admitedly, a socialsit, as you confess here So The name "hits the nail on the head", I don't call people that unless it does.

...my idea of subduing a nation is not to bomb the hell out of it as in Japan, Afganistan and Iraq...
Yes, I know. I asked you what your alternative is.
its obvious that the current trend in the middle east is 'who cares who dies'...if it saves american lives then its worth it...no questions asked..
We're not taling about the middle east. We're not even talking about the present tense. We're talking abou WWII and atomic bombs.

Scotland invented god....America's god..the television set, amoung thousands of other thigs....without which modern america wouldnt exist...hollywodd wouldnt exist and the economy of america was founded on rich British, mostly Scots emigrating there such as Carnegie....a huge amount of white people in America, Aus and NZ are from Scottish extraction and of course the name McDonalds is Scottish too....thats what Scotland did for America...
Oh. Okay. You sure showed me.

if you see anti americanism in my posts, youre paranoid.
Here's some more here., and here, and here.
 
Those examples are all from the same thread which SOMEONE ELSE posted a famous picture of an escalator leading to the gym....the picture said. only in America...i said that beacuse i have seen that pic a hundred times before...

i am not anti american...i have some good american friends
 
saved countless lives

Yet it killed innocent people who had nothing to do with the war, not those that were "willing to die" for Japan.
 
Originally posted by DODGE the VIPER
Yet it killed innocent people who had nothing to do with the war, not those that were "willing to die" for Japan.

Yeah, war's a ***** ain't it. :(
 
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