Sims vs Slicks

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hmmm... slicks or sims?... lets see.. sims are better... thats that... personally i've tried the ss's they don't feel right to me... sims feel more natural... and u can drift longer too... which is nice...

and to those who say sims are the cheat way of drifting... i laugh... to me its much harder to control drifting with sims than with ss's... to me the ultimate show of control is twin drifting... so if u say u can control better with ss's twin drift make a video post it... and us gtp ppl will check it out and if ur vid is good and ur using ss's then i'll retract my statement and give u the props u deserve...

till then u've got no grounds... haha

o yea it also depends on what ur drifting for... exhibition or speed... i drift exhibition... if u wanna check out my "skills" check out my sig... i use sims in those... so yea...

thas my lil bit on sims and ss's
 
Originally posted by divine_sensei
so if u say u can control better with ss's twin drift make a video post it... and us gtp ppl will check it out and if ur vid is good and ur using ss's then i'll retract my statement and give u the props u deserve...
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To me Sims/slicks.. doesn't matter... even though I have a love for super softs, sims also give me a pleasurable drift :) ..and IMO I don't think you should make statements like thaT ^^...

From the twin drifts that I have seen (and correct me if I'm wrong) all use sims.. I'm especially refering to night drifter and akina's vids... but it doesn't imply that super soft twin drifting can't be as good as that of sims... and the proof is in the pudding...

Check out the first link in my sig - that will justify what I said... with a minor difference though :) - I used combo tyres.. super softs front and normal tyres rear... :)
 
Plain and simple:

SIMs are intended for low hp. It allows low HP cars to drift.
Sims are for exhibition

Non-Sims are for tuned cars and can also be used for stock. Think of a math graph, on the y axis, you have the tires. Starts from sims and moves towards super slicks. The x axis, you have the tuning of the car (HP). Starts from average stock power (170) and moves up to fully tuned.

The graph should be an increasing graph, (y = mx) where m is positive. This is where tire selection is a reflection of horse power. If your using stock, no way will you be able to exhibition drift with SS tires or mediums, etc.. Visualize this graph. Maybe this can be in the Drift Bible v2

The graph will provide you with what tires are best recommended for your specified horse power. Drifting is all about tires, because its their behavior that lets us drift, also driver skill, but most importantly its the tire and how it relates to the HP.
 
Plain and simple:

SIMs are intended for low hp. It allows low HP cars to drift.
Sims are for exhibition

Non-Sims are for tuned cars and can also be used for stock. Think of a math graph, on the y axis, you have the tires. Starts from sims and moves towards super slicks. The x axis, you have the tuning of the car (HP). Starts from average stock power (170) and moves up to fully tuned.

The graph should be an increasing graph, (y = mx) where m is positive. This is where tire selection is a reflection of horse power. If your using stock, no way will you be able to exhibition drift with SS tires or mediums, etc.. Visualize this graph. Maybe this can be in the Drift Bible v2

The graph will provide you with what tires are best recommended for your specified horse power. Drifting is all about tires, because its their behavior that lets us drift, also driver skill, but most importantly its the tire and how it relates to the HP.


When your HP increases and if you choose SIMs and not what is recommended on the graph line, it means you will experience more sensitivety and its your fault to putting on all the HP, because your not suppose to use sims for a fully tuned car, unless you know how to control it. lol
 
Originally posted by bengee
I am coming in quite late, but i have seen a couple of people say sims are for cheaters... I am sure that most people who drift on sims can drift on any other tires out their, maybe not with the same setup, but with the same cars and relatively the same amounts of hp (unless we are talking about real grippy tires). So i dont think that any of the people out there calling sims users cheaters should be headed by anyone learning how to drift. I personally began on slicks and made the move to sims later. In the present i drift both slick super slicks and sims. These are actually teh only tires besides normal or sports that i use in the game. The latter two are only for when i do not have enough money in a new game to buy better tires... Anyways, There is nothing cheating about sims. If you can control them then y ou have mastered a tire with the leaxst amount of grip available in the game. I admit that we seem to get super long drifts from these tires, when compared to real life, but then again we are in a video game, so why bother dispute the realism invovled with these tires. I mean it might be the video game, or it might be what we can accompish in this no consequence setting...

Anyways, i want to meet someone who can get through all or most of the begginner league on sims in a car with no more than 300 hp. I am working on that myself, and i think that it can be done. Sims are not for cheaters, they are for people who want to be the best at everything. Just becuase you didnt use them prior to your battle and beat bust 260z doesnt prove their inferiority. It just shows that you did better than him on that course. Its not like you hoped into teh car for the first time and drifted on sims and beat him. You had practice...

Anyways i am out
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I agree to the fullest. I use all types of tire and HP combinations. Sim's just offer the most challenge, and the best payoff in the end (the angle and smoothness possible is just amazing). Using sim tires, teaches you how to control your slide with a more dellicate precision. This inturn, gives you better muscle response, which helps with any combination of tire and HP.

Also, I got through the beginner leaugue on sims, but some of the cars had over 400hp (AWD). It would be quite hard to get throgh it with under 300hp, but not impossible. I aplaud your efforts, and wish you luck. ;)
 
Originally posted by BreakerOhio
Plain and simple:

SIMs are intended for low hp. It allows low HP cars to drift.
Sims are for exhibition

Non-Sims are for tuned cars and can also be used for stock. Think of a math graph, on the y axis, you have the tires. Starts from sims and moves towards super slicks. The x axis, you have the tuning of the car (HP). Starts from average stock power (170) and moves up to fully tuned.

The graph should be an increasing graph, (y = mx) where m is positive. This is where tire selection is a reflection of horse power. If your using stock, no way will you be able to exhibition drift with SS tires or mediums, etc.. Visualize this graph. Maybe this can be in the Drift Bible v2

The graph will provide you with what tires are best recommended for your specified horse power. Drifting is all about tires, because its their behavior that lets us drift, also driver skill, but most importantly its the tire and how it relates to the HP.


When your HP increases and if you choose SIMs and not what is recommended on the graph line, it means you will experience more sensitivety and its your fault to putting on all the HP, because your not suppose to use sims for a fully tuned car, unless you know how to control it. lol
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Great, I have been thinking of this same thing for a while now. I think a basic graph of the tire to HP relation, would be most benificial to people learning to drift. I would love to see someone make this a reality. ;)
 
Originally posted by BreakerOhio
Each car would need its own slope:
y = mx .
This would be a cool project.
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Agreed, sounds like you have a pretty good grip on the formula, so why don't you try to make it a reality. ;)
 
both sims and slicks suck arse! Most people in my "drifting comunity" have no REAL control. I mean drifting with those tires just makes you loose control way to much. You have to have really good settings if you want to drift with super soft. I mean i drift with super soft and all i have to do is bairly weight shift (if not not at all) to enter a drift? Anyway exhibition drift gets really boring. people need to start speed drifting. Thats my opinion though ;D
 
Originally posted by DarkenedDrift
both sims and slicks suck arse! Most people in my "drifting comunity" have no REAL control. I mean drifting with those tires just makes you loose control way to much. You have to have really good settings if you want to drift with super soft. I mean i drift with super soft and all i have to do is bairly weight shift (if not not at all) to enter a drift? Anyway exhibition drift gets really boring. people need to start speed drifting. Thats my opinion though ;D
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LOL....... That's all I'm gonna say. ;)
 
Originally posted by Catch-my-Drift?


From the twin drifts that I have seen (and correct me if I'm wrong) all use sims.. I'm especially refering to night drifter and akina's vids... but it doesn't imply that super soft twin drifting can't be as good as that of sims... and the proof is in the pudding...

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Right, I don't know how old this post is but Akina and night drifter use SS tires pretty much exclusively.


both sims and slicks suck arse! Most people in my "drifting comunity" have no REAL control. I mean drifting with those tires just makes you loose control way to much. You have to have really good settings if you want to drift with super soft. I mean i drift with super soft and all i have to do is bairly weight shift (if not not at all) to enter a drift? Anyway exhibition drift gets really boring. people need to start speed drifting. Thats my opinion though ;D
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As for this... well... maybe I won't bother commenting.
 
Originally posted by TruenoAE86
Right, I don't know how old this post is but Akina and night drifter use SS tires pretty much exclusively.




As for this... well... maybe I won't bother commenting.
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Thanx for the correction dude... :)
 
who said i use sims. i never cause its too slow. i drift for speed and basically all our videos are super soft tires. yep even the twin drifting or 2player drift if you wanna call it that.
 
Originally posted by divine_sensei
hmmm... slicks or sims?... lets see.. sims are better... thats that... personally i've tried the ss's they don't feel right to me... sims feel more natural... and u can drift longer too... which is nice...

and to those who say sims are the cheat way of drifting... i laugh... to me its much harder to control drifting with sims than with ss's... to me the ultimate show of control is twin drifting... so if u say u can control better with ss's twin drift make a video post it... and us gtp ppl will check it out and if ur vid is good and ur using ss's then i'll retract my statement and give u the props u deserve...

till then u've got no grounds... haha

o yea it also depends on what ur drifting for... exhibition or speed... i drift exhibition... if u wanna check out my "skills" check out my sig... i use sims in those... so yea...

thas my lil bit on sims and ss's
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its actually easier i say. all you have to do is full throttle entry and half throttle through. its all in the throttle control.
 
Originally posted by BreakerOhio
Plain and simple:

SIMs are intended for low hp. It allows low HP cars to drift.
Sims are for exhibition

Non-Sims are for tuned cars and can also be used for stock. Think of a math graph, on the y axis, you have the tires. Starts from sims and moves towards super slicks. The x axis, you have the tuning of the car (HP). Starts from average stock power (170) and moves up to fully tuned.

The graph should be an increasing graph, (y = mx) where m is positive. This is where tire selection is a reflection of horse power. If your using stock, no way will you be able to exhibition drift with SS tires or mediums, etc.. Visualize this graph. Maybe this can be in the Drift Bible v2

The graph will provide you with what tires are best recommended for your specified horse power. Drifting is all about tires, because its their behavior that lets us drift, also driver skill, but most importantly its the tire and how it relates to the HP.
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I don't think that is a correct explination.
You say that tires choice goes by horsepower. But using 450-1000 hp isn't simulating real life. People want to be like Inital D:tdown: and the the touge drifters of Japan but then they are going and modding their the miles past what would be affordable in our own terms.
What LanEvo said has to be the greatest quote about sims and slicks of all time.
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Originally posted by LanEvo
sims are designed to "simulate" real life street tires. and what exactly are you trying to do..."simulate" real life drift, correct? why not do what they do in real life...a few bolt on modifications, some decent street tires, and tons of skill.

in D1GP...it is ILLEGAL to use anything but street tires. in fact the cars must pass an inspection...requiring registration of the vehicle, as well as a decibal test in case the exhaust is too loud.
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who cares a games a game and sim tires is too slippery to simulate real driving.

think of it this way if you have sims on a 180 hp car its like having 600hp on a SS tire car but with the sims all you do is use a little gas with weight shift and your there. plus you already going pretty slow so it very easy to power over.
as for ss drifting you must now how to brake entry otherwise your drift would look ugly. also you entering corners at very high speeds, so it can be a little complicated. i know how to do both but i choose super soft mainly cause im looking for competition. no not exhibition. but real racing. when GT4 comes out you see. #1 player will be a Drifter.
 
heres how i see it a 300-400 car(just an example) with sims is like a drift car in real life, try copying your fav drifter giving your car like 600hp and put sims on it its not like real life the power ratios(i guess you can call it that) for the tire selection are off. You'll end up spining your tires but if you decide to take maybe slicks or softs(whatever) and matching the HP to the tire grip it starts to simulate the power ratio to tire grip right(well i hope it does or what i'm saying is right...)Anyway i'll be back mayeb with that graph people are talking about hmm...
 
Originally posted by akina_86
its actually easier i say. all you have to do is full throttle entry and half throttle through. its all in the throttle control.
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Agreed, SS are much easier than sims. Just do what Akina said, and you should be drifting fine with SS's. ;)
 
Originally posted by akina_86
i ment that sims are easir to drift but oh well
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LOL, but your explanation on how you drift on sims is nothing short of comical.

its actually easier i say. all you have to do is full throttle entry and half throttle through. its all in the throttle control.
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That is the most over simplified, innacurate, explanation I have ever seen. Just stick to SS drifting. You obviously have no concept on how to drift with low power on sims. I don't want to sound rude, but I just can't stand it when people are given misinformation. If you don't fully understand the technique, just keep it to yourself. There is enough confusion around here, as it is. If I needed help with Speed drifting, you would be one of the first people I would come to for help. I don't pretend to be a speed drifting expert, so I don't try to give advise on the subject. I expect everyone to use the same judgement, so we can all get along, and increase are skills, without getting confused.;)
 
haha it too easy i tell you if you want ill make you a video but its gonna take hella hella long cause Night Drifter computer crashed
 
Originally posted by akina_86
haha it too easy i tell you if you want ill make you a video but its gonna take hella hella long cause Night Drifter computer crashed
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If you think drifting SS is harder, then you have a lot to learn about how to setup your cars.

haha it too easy i tell you
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I don't think I even need to say anything about this statement. It speaks for itself.;)
 
doubt i need set ups trust me. my set ups are state of the art i say but its for going fast. but dirfting with sim i just have to drop the power thats all.

oh yeah and you dont really know how good i am but i really wish there was a way to prove it to you guys but guess nots. maybe if GT4 online work fine. but anywaise ill show you my skill. it not for show only speed. so dont doubt my skills trust me.
 
Originally posted by akina_86
doubt i need set ups trust me. my set ups are state of the art i say but its for going fast. but dirfting with sim i just have to drop the power thats all.
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There is your mistake. You can't just lower the power to get a good "sim low power setup". Speed drifting requires different camber settings than low speed drifting, because the force of the car sliding (speed drifting) is so much that it kind of counters the camber, so it is good to give it a little more camber in the front and back. However this is not the only difference, there are many small adjustments here and there to build a well balanced sim drifter, as well as a speed drifter. They are very different styles, and require different tuning. If you only lower the power and throw sims on, you are limiting your self, and your drifting ability IMHO. ;)
 
Originally posted by silviadrifter
There is your mistake. You can't just lower the power to get a good "sim low power setup". Speed drifting requires different camber settings than low speed drifting, because the force of the car sliding (speed drifting) is so much that it kind of counters the camber, so it is good to give it a little more camber in the front and back. However this is not the only difference, there are many small adjustments here and there to build a well balanced sim drifter, as well as a speed drifter. They are very different styles, and require different tuning. If you only lower the power and throw sims on, you are limiting your self, and your drifting ability IMHO. ;)
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Bah, setting don't matter, sure they might help a little here and there but really, is it the settings? Or has testing the settings just made you a better drifter? The only setting that I have found that makes more than a marginal difference when drifting is the LSD. Everything else is pretty much just fluff. Also everyone has their own settings for their own particular style of drifting. Some people set the car to oversteer some to under; it's all about preference, and because of this there really is no such thing as "good drift settings". Definitely I could take akina's SS settings reduce the HP and slap on some sims and go drifting with no noticeable drifting problems, I’m quite sure he could do the same. BTW you will notice that Akina is quite good at drifting, although he may have trouble explaining himself clearly, so go easy on him or it might turn into a giant flame war like it has in the past.
 
I'm just explaining ways that are proven to work in real life drifting. I get most of my ideas for settings from real life cars. I am just a purist, and like to understand everything about their real life counterparts. There are a lot of subjective parts to drift settings, but there are a few constants, and knowing those constants is the key to the perfect drift setup. Also a better understanding of physics, is necessary, IMHO, to be the best. If you don't want to be the best, then pay no mind, and have fun. I have nothing against drifting just for the kicks. However, I wish to constantly work on increasing my knowledge, and skills, to be the best drifter I can possibly be.;)
 
Originally posted by silviadrifter
I'm just explaining ways that are proven to work in real life drifting. I get most of my ideas for settings from real life cars. I am just a purist, and like to understand everything about their real life counterparts. There are a lot of subjective parts to drift settings, but there are a few constants, and knowing those constants is the key to the perfect drift setup. Also a better understanding of physics, is necessary, IMHO, to be the best. If you don't want to be the best, then pay no mind, and have fun. I have nothing against drifting just for the kicks. However, I wish to constantly work on increasing my knowledge, and skills, to be the best drifter I can possibly be.;)
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Well I can say this for sure; I wish I was still as motivated to drift as you are. As for being the best, yeah I don't want that anymore... I did, and I think I got pretty close but it wasn't good settings that got me there. Understanding physics, like you also mentioned, played a pretty big roll. I still believe if your settings aren’t incredibly bad they are probably fine though. However, I definitely see your point.
 

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