skylines

[Evolution.]

You want HP to the wheels record?Try the Thrust SCC.Holds the fastest land speed record at like Mach 1.3 or something.Talk about horsepower to the wheels and power to weight ratios...

Hell....if you want simple HP just go see a Top Alchohol Drag Race and then write back to your little Nopi magazines or whatever it is you read and tell them that their uber skylines have about 1000 more horsepower to go until they even get near a record.

 

[Teh_Loserer]

Ok, the pace car some of you are talking about...the one with the light bar...is that the one you win from the real circuit tours? I have the NTSC version.

 

[Cosmic]

I have 1. It's the R32 N1 from 1993
Really good car. I love to drive it on Cote d'azur with racing medium and with 339hp. It's a beast

 

[streetsucka204]

I have 1. It's the R32 N1 from 1993
Really good car. I love to drive it on Cote d'azur with racing medium and with 339hp. It's a beast

thats the only one i got too, let me guess, white? either way id really prefer supra's, although im still looking for a RZ with 10km....

 

[Cosmic]

thats the only one i got too, let me guess, white? either way id really prefer supra's, although im still looking for a RZ with 10km....

It is white
It must to be white!

 

[FAOLIU05]

Look, Skylines are probably the most overrated import in the entire world. When 4.6L Mustang Cobra's and LS1 Camaro SS's are out running the Skyline in every aspect and selling for almost $20k less, than something is wrong there. For as much as one could spend on a brand spank'in new Skyline R34, that same person could pick up a slightly used '96 GTS, '86 Testarossa, or a slightly used '04 Z06 - the best performing production Corvette in history(that is until the new Z06 hits the market). Each of those cars double the performance the stupid Skyline could ever dream to offer.

But I guess the Skyline is all Japan has to offer to thier public. They do have those restriction and regulations. Perhaps thats why they're so hyped about them. Me being American justifies my prospective. If the Skyline sold here, it would probably sell for considerably less and I would probably lighten my hatred. But some people here in America go damn crazy over them, and that is what pisses the hell out of me. They don't buy into the situation that the Japanese public face with the regulations and whatnot. They buy into ego hype.

 

[r34jse]

i have something like 40 different models and almost 70 skylines in total and in my opinion the r34 falken gt-r race car is the best by far.

 

[Pillo-san]

Actually i think that skyline is a lot more hightech then the corvett. To me a corvett is just an old type of muscle car that has done a palstic surgery(spell) operation...It looks nice and sounds wonderful but underneath it all it is an old classic construction from like the juracis period. Dont get me wrong i still like it but to me they both are import and they costa a lot here in sweden. but if it was up to me i would like a mustang shelby 500/dodge charger or an cuba...... or a skyline r32 or a nzx-r newst type or a supra mk4 or well the list goes on...anything is better then my 200hp saab turbo wiht 1.1 bar...it gonna blow soon hehe

 

[Famine]

Look, Skylines are probably the most overrated import in the entire world. When 4.6L Mustang Cobra's and LS1 Camaro SS's are out running the Skyline in every aspect and selling for almost $20k less, than something is wrong there. For as much as one could spend on a brand spank'in new Skyline R34, that same person could pick up a slightly used '96 GTS, '86 Testarossa, or a slightly used '04 Z06 - the best performing production Corvette in history(that is until the new Z06 hits the market). Each of those cars double the performance the stupid Skyline could ever dream to offer.

Would you SERIOUSLY prefer, as an every day car, a 19 year old Ferrari, with sky-high running costs and reliability which is, at best, "patchy"? Not to mention the absence of power-assisted steering and air-conditioning. And it's too low to get into or out of parking structures. And the fuel economy is in the high-single digits.

At the end of its production run, the R34 Skyline GT-R V-Spec was selling for roughly the equivalent of $85k, for your reference. I know that it's a lot harder to get them in the US.

Out of interest, what's the 4.6L Mustang Cobra or LS1 Camaro SS's lap time around the Nurburgring?

But I guess the Skyline is all Japan has to offer to thier public. They do have those restriction and regulations.

Which ones would they be?

And if you say the "276hp rule" I'll send elves over to glue your eyes shut when you're asleep.

Perhaps thats why they're so hyped about them. Me being American justifies my prospective. If the Skyline sold here, it would probably sell for considerably less and I would probably lighten my hatred. But some people here in America go damn crazy over them, and that is what pisses the hell out of me. They don't buy into the situation that the Japanese public face with the regulations and whatnot. They buy into ego hype.

What? That they're extremely fast, handle very well indeed, are almost impossible to crash and manage all of it with a 2.6 litre DOHC twin turbo, whereas you're citing cars with twice the engine capacity as the only things you can think of that can beat it?

 

[vr6gti72]

I only have 5 or 6 different skylines in my garage....the reason I like them is that they are full size "family sedan" that can be tuned to the sky. It puts a smile on my face, thinking about a big family car laying down wicked numbers against cars that are made mostly for speed. That being said....Id take a Toyota Chaser over a skyline everytime.

 

[FAOLIU05]

Would you SERIOUSLY prefer, as an every day car, a 19 year old Ferrari, with sky-high running costs and reliability which is, at best, "patchy"? Not to mention the absence of power-assisted steering and air-conditioning. And it's too low to get into or out of parking structures. And the fuel economy is in the high-single digits.

At the end of its production run, the R34 Skyline GT-R V-Spec was selling for roughly the equivalent of $85k, for your reference. I know that it's a lot harder to get them in the US.

And so the dissecting begins...
Look, there are plenty of cars that kick the hell out of the Skyline and can be an every day driver. For instance and statistically speaking... The Subaru WRX STi. It's superior in every aspect of racing and is powered by a single turbocharged 4-cylinder engine. Or how about the Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VIII MR. It's powered by a single turbocharged 4-cylinder engine. If you can find one, there is the Toyota Supra Turbo which runs with a twin-turbo 6-cylinder and surpasses the Skyline in every aspect also. Or how about an Audi S4? Or how about the 350Z?

And since you won't want to deal with a Ferrari, how about a TVR Tuscan S? Or how about a brand spank'in new 911 Carrera when they come to the market? The list is endless...

What? That they're extremely fast, handle very well indeed, are almost impossible to crash and manage all of it with a 2.6 litre DOHC twin turbo

155mph isn't fast. All AWD cars are impossible to crash. And what does a 2.6L DOHC Twin Turbo have to do with anything?

whereas you're citing cars with twice the engine capacity as the only things you can think of that can beat it?

No, I just posted things I'd rather have for as much as the Skyline costs. And yes, I'd take a Testarossa in stock and factory condition - air conditioning or not.

 

[Famine]

Look, there are plenty of cars that kick the hell out of the Skyline and can be an every day driver. For instance and statistically speaking... The Subaru WRX STi. It's superior in every aspect of racing and is powered by a single turbocharged 4-cylinder engine.

It's 0.5s slower to 60mph and is limited by short gearing to just a little over 130mph.

Or how about the Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VIII MR. It's powered by a single turbocharged 4-cylinder engine.

As above - although it's slightly quicker to 60mph.

If you can find an FQ-400, that'd be quicker but, shock, it's got 80hp more and has a 6th gear which is fundamentally uncooperative unless on boost. Which it never is.

If you can find one, there is the Toyota Supra Turbo which runs with a twin-turbo 6-cylinder and surpasses the Skyline in every aspect also.

Do you mean the slower-to-60mph 6-speed manual or the slower full stop 4-speed automatic?

Or how about an Audi S4?

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaa-hahahaha!

Wait... You're serious?

Or how about the 350Z?

Oh my stars...

And since you won't want to deal with a Ferrari, how about a TVR Tuscan S?

You mean the more-expensive TVR Tuscan S, with appalling build quality, ride, residuals, running costs, fuel economy, reliability (etc.)?

Or how about a brand spank'in new 911 Carrera when they come to the market?

The twice as expensive 911 Carrera? Or just the £80,000 (60% more expensive) one?

The list is endless...

So far it's startless too.

155mph isn't fast.

This has what to do with what?

All AWD cars are impossible to crash.

Tell that to Henri Toivanen.

Do you even KNOW what Super-HICAS and ATTESSA are?

And what does a 2.6L DOHC Twin Turbo have to do with anything?

You were comparing apples with halibut. The cars you listed as "zOMg! Betta!" all had at least twice the engine capacity - not to mention half the number of usable seats. For some reason you see this as an acceptable comparison.

No, I just posted things I'd rather have for as much as the Skyline costs. And yes, I'd take a Testarossa in stock and factory condition - air conditioning or not.

Find a 19-year old Ferrari Testarossa in factory condition and you'll be paying more than twice what you pay for a Skyline. Find a 19-year old Ferrari Testarossa which costs the same as the Skyline did when it went out of production and you'll spend a third of your work days a year on the bus.

I didn't say which you'd rather have. I said which you'd rather have as a daily driver. A Skyline-money Testarossa won't get there most of the time, will spend the rest of the time getting fixed ("New timing belt. That'll be £4,000, sir"), will eat petrol and won't get into parking structures without scraping itself. Anyone who wants to use a Ferrari as their main car is a blithering idiot - or a rich blithering idiot.


The fundamental problem is that you've no idea what you're talking about. You're comparing "a Skyline" (which one?) to cars with twice the engine capacity, then twice the cost and then making up performance figures as you go along to justify your alternates. I mean, Audi S4? Come ON.

I'm no big Skyline fan either. Its main drawback is that it is quite heavy. That's pretty much it though..

 

[Sti04]

I am not trying to flame at anybody, I just want to share some of my thoughts. I think Skyline R34 GTR is one of the best production cars out of Japan, but it is WAY OVER PRICED. Personally I wouldn't buy a Skyline at $85K even they look fabulous. Well, magz stated Skyline will be coming to US in probably 2006-2007. With factory twin supercharged engine producing 450hp, we shall see how well it sells in US market.

 

[Pillo-san]

Wow..... this is getting heavy.....

But i have read in some magazine where they tested a couple of sportcars and they where impressed how the evo7 or was it 8 and the skyline r34 could give the so much expensiver(spell) cars like lambo diablo, porssche 911, and bmw m5 the shiver....Has anybody watched the Topgear episode when they tested an evo 8 against a lambo murcielago.... The japanese cars are extreamly underrated i think. And the skyline is best of them i mean no way a stock supra would kick a stock skyline on a track.

Skyline is a hell of a car it is just that way.... But the bmw m3 csl is nice too

If i would to choose between a testrossa or a skyline i would take the ferarri and sell it to buy a cheap volvo 240(242"2doors") and make it a rally car that could kick all the mentioned cars to the ground and i would even have a lot of cash left......hehe but that would be time consuming i think....hehe

 

[Uncle Harry]

All AWD cars are impossible to crash.

This statement is totally wrong.
Every car has its conering limit. Exceed them and the result is usually a very big crash.

 

[generalstuff412]

Look, there are plenty of cars that kick the hell out of the Skyline and can be an every day driver. For instance and statistically speaking... The Subaru WRX STi. It's superior in every aspect of racing and is powered by a single turbocharged 4-cylinder engine. Or how about the Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VIII MR. It's powered by a single turbocharged 4-cylinder engine. If you can find one, there is the Toyota Supra Turbo which runs with a twin-turbo 6-cylinder and surpasses the Skyline in every aspect also. Or how about an Audi S4? Or how about the 350Z?

A Skyline could beat any of those.....especialy the EVO, STI, Supra, S4, and the Z.
O wait thats all of them.

I do have to admit that the EV0 FQ 400 might be able 2, but at least I don't have to restart the engine every time I stop in a Skyline.--Watch Top Gear to see wat i mean

 

[icandriftbetter]

as much as a hate to say it the skyline is one of the most powerful cars out there and it will outperform the zo6 and day with a few mods. tuned and modded skylines run about 8 seconds. name another car that can come close to that at a decent price

 

[FAOLIU05]

Famine tries pretty hard to make people look bad.

Nürburgring Nordschleife:
2004 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 - 8'18
2002 Audi RS6 - 8'20
2000 BMW M3 - 8'22
2003 Audi S4 - 8'24
2004 Subaru Impreza WRX STi - 8'24
2003 Nissan 350Z - 8'26
2002 BMW M5 - 8'28
1999 Nissan Skyline R34 GTR - 8'28

0-60mph:
2004 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 - 4.5 seconds
2004 Subaru Impreza WRX STi - 4.5 seconds
2003 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VIII MR - 4.7 seconds
2005 Porsche 911 Carrera - 4.9 seconds
1997 Toyota Supra Turbo - 4.9 seconds
2003 Audi S4 - 5.0 seconds
2006 Porsche Cayman - 5.1 seconds
1999 Nissan Skyline R34 GTR - 5.1 seconds
2003 Nissan 350Z - 5.4 seconds

Top Speed:
2005 Porsche 911 Carrera - 177mph
2004 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 - 175mph
2006 Porsche Cayman - 171mph
1997 Toyota Supra Turbo - 160mph
2003 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VIII - 157mph
2003 Nissan 350Z - 156mph
2004 Subaru Impreza WRX STi - 155mph
2003 Audi S4 - 155mph
1999 Nissan Skyline R34 GTR - 155mph

1/4 Mile Times:
2004 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 - 12.5 seconds
2004 Subaru Impreza WRX STi - 13.2 seconds
2000 BMW M3 - 13.2 seconds
2003 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VIII MR - 13.4 seconds
2003 Audi S4 - 13.6 seconds
1997 Toyota Supra - 13.6 seconds
1999 Nissan Skyline R34 GTR - 13.7 seconds

Curb Weight:
2003 Nissan 350Z - 3,150lbs
2004 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 - 3,246lbs
2004 Subaru Impreza WRX STi - 3,263lbs
2003 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VIII MR - 3,300lbs
1999 Nissan Skyline R34 GTR - 3,395lbs
2000 BMW M3 - 3,460lbs
1997 Toyota Supra Turbo - 3,515lbs
2003 Audi S4 - 3,864lbs

The above statistics are confirmed. The Skyline R34, which costs $90,000, is the worste performing car in my own selection. I based the comparisons off price range. No car in my selection exceeds $75,000. The cheapest car in my selection costs less than $30,000.

And concerning the Ferrari Testarossa:
I apologize. I for some reason didn't read "daily driver." However, anyone who uses a $90,000 sportscar as a daily driver has just as much sense as someone who would drive a Testrossa every day! However, in America, Skyline maintenence would be just as expensive and time consuming.

I'd much rather have the 2004 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 as my daily driver. It has way better performance, it is way more reliable than a Skyline, and it is a complete womanizer. It also kicks the Skyline's ass in Gas Mileage:

Gas Mileage (mpg):
2004 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 - 19/28
2004 Subaru Impreza WRX - 20/27
2003 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VIII MR - 18/26
2003 Audi S4 - 15/24
2000 BMW M3 - 14/24
1997 Toyota Supra Turbo - 18/23
1999 Nissan Skyline R34 GTR - 14/23

So, something is wrong with the Skyline... It's not the fastest, nor the quickest... It's one of the lightest and apparently one of the best handling cars in the world - according to the majority of the "import tuner world." However, it fails to be the quickest at Nurburgring.

Do you see my point? How much more do I need to draw it out for you Famine?

PS. And I just squashed your opinions and expectations. Don't call me ignorant again.

 

[mindlessoath]

Look, Skylines are probably the most overrated import in the entire world. When 4.6L Mustang Cobra's and LS1 Camaro SS's are out running the Skyline in every aspect and selling for almost $20k less, than something is wrong there. For as much as one could spend on a brand spank'in new Skyline R34, that same person could pick up a slightly used '96 GTS, '86 Testarossa, or a slightly used '04 Z06 - the best performing production Corvette in history(that is until the new Z06 hits the market). Each of those cars double the performance the stupid Skyline could ever dream to offer.

But I guess the Skyline is all Japan has to offer to thier public. They do have those restriction and regulations. Perhaps thats why they're so hyped about them. Me being American justifies my prospective. If the Skyline sold here, it would probably sell for considerably less and I would probably lighten my hatred. But some people here in America go damn crazy over them, and that is what pisses the hell out of me. They don't buy into the situation that the Japanese public face with the regulations and whatnot. They buy into ego hype.

skylines dominate in japan, and are some of the most moddable cars there... i think skylines have more power to the wheels than say a 300zx but ones an inline six and the other isnt (i think i could be wrong, i forget).

they also corner and turn better than those american beast cars.

i think 600hp to the wheels record thing is for V6 engines like the VQ30, RB26dett etc.

the japanese car magazines are kinda crap for info, but i wouldnt say worthless.... and im a fan of japanese cars because their better than american cars all around, not just in pure power or strait line performance.

the skyline was never really been beaten in many events... mabe until recently, because the R34 went out of production in what 98 or something? i forget too.

from all your last posts i figured you didnt know what you were talking about.... but this last post had some good deteails in it... where did u find it? cause to tell ya the truth, if someone buys a skyline, its in japan usually, and they often dont race it stock, that baby gets increased to 800HP+ and becomse the most massive godzilla to hit the streets of japan.

in japan the supra and skylines are kings! they are expensive to import in the states for obvious reasons, and thats why in the states they are NOT popular. they are NOT over rated, they are awesome cars and have potential to be even better with adjustments and tuning and upgrading.

i would never buy a skyline unless they came to the states, and even then they would be expensive because of their popularity and high output performance figures from japan.

anyways you have your opinion and your more than free to say whatever you want, and back it up any way u want, that is fine, i dont mind, i like this arguing because its a learning thing, mabe i learned something i didnt before.

 

[FAOLIU05]

skylines dominate in japan, and are some of the most moddable cars there... i think skylines have more power to the wheels than say a 300zx but ones an inline six and the other isnt (i think i could be wrong, i forget).

they also corner and turn better than those american beast cars.

i think 600hp to the wheels record thing is for V6 engines like the VQ30, RB26dett etc.

the japanese car magazines are kinda crap for info, but i wouldnt say worthless.... and im a fan of japanese cars because their better than american cars all around, not just in pure power or strait line performance.

the skyline was never really been beaten in many events... mabe until recently, because the R34 went out of production in what 98 or something? i forget too.

Nürburgring Nordschleife:
2005 Chevrolet Corvette C6 (Standard Model) - 7'56
2001 Dodge Viper GTS (411hp) - 8'10
2003 Dodge Viper SRT-10 - 8'10
2004 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (385hp) - 8'18
2000 Callaway Corvette C12 - 8'25

Fact is guys, the Skyline isn't that great of a sportscar. I just proved it.

 

[striknine]

WRXs, Camaro SS's, Corvettes beat the GT-R? What the hell is this guy smoking? You need to get off that stuff man. I'm worried about you.

 

[FAOLIU05]

Note to self - debating the Skyline's performance with a bunch of ricers is pointless.

It's apparent that you guys are the clueless ones. The Skyline isn't GOD of the sportscars now. Yes the STi, WR1, Cobra-R, Z06, S4, RS6, 911, Cayman, and Supra Turbo can beat the Skyline in every aspect of performance - as I have proven in a post high above with various different graphs and statistics which are all confirmed.

Where you guys get your facts is beyond me! This is perhaps one of the saddest debates I have ever had.

 

[Sti04]

WRXs, Camaro SS's, Corvettes beat the GT-R? What the hell is this guy smoking? You need to get off that stuff man. I'm worried about you.

what makes you think a stock Vettes Z06 can't beat a stock skyline R34? forget about the SS and WRX, i am talking about 2004 Corvettes Z06. i do love skylines myself, but i am also a Vettes fan. if you tell me a stock 385hps car can't beat a stock 300hps car (with similar cornering and handling) then it must be the drivers i guess.

 

[FAOLIU05]

what makes you think a stock Vettes Z06 can't beat a stock skyline R34? forget about the SS and WRX, i am talking about 2004 Corvettes Z06. i do love skylines myself, but i am also a Vettes fan. if you tell me a stock 385hps car can't beat a stock 300hps car (with similar cornering and handling) then it must be the drivers i guess.

THANK GOD! THERE IS HOPE! These guys have no idea what they're talking about, especially this one named Famine. I don't know who he is, but he's apparently some big shot on the GTP forums.

Anyways.... The Z06 has always been overrated in my opinion. Not only does it have excellent handling, it has excellent high performance tires to go with its track-tuned suspension - Goodyear Eagle F1's - hell yeah baby!

For all who doubt the Z06 - I shake my head in shame of your ignorance. Learn from this... A report I made for another forums somewhat like this:

When Popular Mechanics Magazine staged the Z06 they weren't expecting much. But as they floored the LS6 it took off like a rocket, pushing some .99g's off the line. It sped pass 30mph in 2 seconds flat; hit 60mph in 4.5 seconds; hit 100mph in 9.3 seconds; and finished with a 12.5 second 1/4 Mile time @ 115.1mph. It lived up to Chevy's hype and was deamed the most underrated sportcar in their "Nation of Acceleration" contest, as the Z06 they drove costs $52,000. Every other car in the contest either doubled or quadrupled it in price.

But this isn't enough. Some people still think the Z06 is a low 13 second to high, high 12 second car. But the truth is, it's everything Chevy said it was. Here are some time slips from people who drive stock Z06's:
2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
This person managed to get his stock Z06 into the high 11 range:
2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
You can find more times here:
www.Z06Vette.com

The Z06 offers performance any other company would sell for $70,000 or more. For example, the Lamborghini Gallardo sold at $200,000:

Not only does the Lamborghini Gallardo have the infamous Lamborghini AWD system, a 5.0L V10 which produces 100hp more than the Z06, and Pirelli High Performance Rosso tires, it still can't seem to lose the Vette. And don't even get me started about how bad the Gallardo would get beat at a full circuit race track. If the Gallardo can't beat the 280hp NSX-R, than there is no way its going to touch the Vette.

But what can a Vette do with 500hp?
1999 DRM Z51R: 525rwhp: 10.88 seconds @ 137mph
2002 DRM C500/RSR: 500hp: 11.77 seconds @ 121mph
What can a Z06 Vette do with just drag radials?
2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
What can a Z06 Vette do with just an after market Intake?
2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06

The Z06 is also a force to reckon with in the Tuner World. Just about any time you see a Vette you're facing inevitable defeat. But one thing that catches my eye is the monstrous 2001 Lingenfelter Corvette 427TT - which is the quickest car under $200,000 and under 800hp:
2001 Lingenfelter Corvette Z06
Infamous 8.95 second 1/4 Mile Run

So next time you see, hear about, or talk about a Vette, you better recognize and give them up most respect. You should give Chevrolet some respect as they didn't sell out like Dodge and Ford did. They kept the Z06 for the middle-class Americans. It is without a doubt the Best Bang for the Buck Sportcar in the market today. It never fails to excite you and satisfy your need for speed.

Corvette Z06 Vs. Mustang Cobra
Corvette Z06 Vs. Viper GTS
Corvette Z06 Vs. Diablo 6.0
Corvette Z06 Vs. Viper SRT-10

 

[icandriftbetter]

this is a gran turismo site people, not the real cars. in GT4 i am saying that i think the skyline is a better car. and of course in certain parts its not the best. the sti is one of the best 1/4 cars in the game. doesnt mean its the best overall. i think that the skyline is one of the best overall car in the game, thats it

 

[356C]

I admire the inline 6 cylinder engine, and that its a Nissan. My affinity for the Skyline stops there. Its shape is less then aerodynamic compared to more modern cars in the game, its heavy, its weight distribution is to far forward. The older RWD ones are cool in the game, they are more versitile. If you want a fast Nissan that is lightweight, powerful, well balanced, and aerodynamic, just buy one of the 350Z, maybe one of the NISMO versons of the Z. The Z is a much better car all around. If you want a fast car with a straight 6 under the hood, get one of the M3s.

 

[~Sp33~]

wow.. heated discussion to the max... i dont particularly like skylines (at all in fact ) there such ego driven cars. These types of people s**t me. So i went searching in this thread to see what made these people like this car?.. I cant stand liking something that heaps of people like, it kinda s**ts me also, especially people that do it because someone else does. As for myself, im an NSX fan, and always have been. There very underated ( which i like but honda dont...lol) and handle like theres no tomorow....

Now, Vette's. Very much a point and squirt mobil. "Come to a corner and it runs away with its tail between its legs", ( wheels magazine). This aside though it is a very fast car and has now been upgraded with the new chev engine boasting a billion more unnecessary hp then the previous model. Congratulations to it and its creators in making a car that goes.. and stops... very well...

NOW, skylines. With there all wheel drive which is good for hauling its uber kerb weight around is still too front biased for it to be able to hold onto a corner a bit more stable'ey. This aside its a very capable car ( capable of whipping ass). Its got a relatively flat torque curve for such a highly boosted engine giving it great pickup. Its downforce levels are also tenacious although its tall boy design is a downside especially exceeding around 250 kph, when its starts getting lofty and buffeted.

In summary. Skylines.. Vette's.. Pears.. polar bears?.. These cars come from different backgrounds out to serve much different purposes... Please stop comparing them.. They both suceed in what they set out to prove in thier own right.

 

[Famine]

Famine tries pretty hard to make people look bad.

I don't have to try. You're doing it all by yourself.

(Statistics)

The above statistics are confirmed.

Which sources did you use? I can't for the life of me find any reference in there.

If you used just one source (and failed to name it) I WILL laugh in your face.

For your reference, the fastest Impreza EVER MADE manages 0-62mph in 3.8s. 4.5s for a bog-standard WRX STi is total nonsense.

Oh and the source I expect you used lists the '04 Z06 at "155mph". No doubt because you have an "interest" in the Z06 you know better and have entered a value you know to be true - but then if they're both listed at "155mph" and you know one to be wrong, why do you have such faith in the other?

The Skyline R34, which costs $90,000, is the worste performing car in my own selection.

Well, who could possibly have guessed that would happen, eh? Someone with a one-track biased opinion making a selection which "proves" his point.

What DID your statistics prove? The R34 Skyline is slower around the Nurburgring than a number of much newer cars. Well spank my ass, that's a shock. It's slower to a point a quarter of a mile away than some cars with twice the power. Gosh, another surprise.

What else did your statistics prove? Well, you listed a number of cars in one section only. Why no Supra around the Ring - could it be because it's slower? This proves that your opinion is fundamentally biased and you ignore any "statistics" which do not fit in with you preconceived ideas.

I based the comparisons off price range. No car in my selection exceeds $75,000.

Ignoring, of course, the Porsche 911.

So, something is wrong with the Skyline... It's not the fastest, nor the quickest... It's one of the lightest and apparently one of the best handling cars in the world - according to the majority of the "import tuner world."

Lightest? Who on Earth said that? It weighs 1.5 tonnes...

However, it fails to be the quickest at Nurburgring.

...behind a number of much newer cars.

However, anyone who uses a $90,000 sportscar as a daily driver has just as much sense as someone who would drive a Testrossa every day!

Since obviously a Testarossa can seat 5, doesn't return just 12.5mpg and has a usable boot (trunk).

Do you see my point?

I saw it ages ago.

You hate Skylines. You hate them so much that you'll use BS statistics to "prove" that they suck, and when you can't you'll either make them up or ignore ones which don't fit.

I don't care one way or the other. You obviously do.

PS. And I just squashed your opinions and expectations. Don't call me ignorant again.

I have neither opinions nor "expectations" (what a curious word to use). Nor did I call you ignorant. Although you are. As I said earlier:

The fundamental problem is that you've no idea what you're talking about. You're comparing "a Skyline" (which one?) to cars with twice the engine capacity, then twice the cost and then making up performance figures as you go along to justify your alternates.

Incidentally, how much do you actually "think" a Skyline (pick one) costs? Bearing in mind that they haven't been made since 1999.


Oh, and I can buy a $30,000 Caterham which would kill every car yet mentioned in this thread from 0-60mph, 0-100mph, 0-1/4 mile, around the 'Ring and for fuel economy. Top speed is a little low maybe. But still. zOMg! Best cah eVah!!!one1!

 

[Specialized]

155mph isn't fast.

HA HA HA 155mph isnt fast!! Err are u serious? The only people who are qualified in this world to say that 155mph isnt fast are astronaughts or fighter piolts. I dont care who you are 155mph is fast. its just a misconception because so many cars today can achive this easily. But can we all afford these cars? well i know i cant!! My friend has a rover coupe turbo, a genuine 150mph car. i went our with him to "make sure" it was possible and he vowed never to drive it that fast again. his words were and i quote "that was ****ing scary, that was ****ing fast, Im never ****ing doing that again" it just shows that although u may not think thats a fast speed but when ur doing it its basically a death warrent. Dont say its not fast if you have never experienced it!!

PS, sorry its a little off topic

 

[Appie]

One of the beautys is the Nissan Skyline R33 GTR Type M