skylines

[katana87]

Lemme correct that then. By the way, you're 20 hp off.

Lets all be Perfect

IA

 

[streetsucka204]

hey is there really a hp limit in japan or something??? if there is can someone explain???

 

[Danny]

The Skylines aren't bad, but I don't think we needed 50+ of them.

Beside, the TVR Griffith is better
It's a shame GT4 can't simulate the shopping run, or I'm pretty sure people would find new cars to idolise (step forward, Legnum, Primera and 323F).

 

[Famine]

hey is there really a hp limit in japan or something??? if there is can someone explain???

In the early 1990s, to avoid a costly power-race, the major Japanese manufacturers agreed with each other not to produce a car with more than 280PS (276hp). It is commonly referred to as "The Gentleman's Agreement". It has no basis in legislation. It's also largely ignored:

The "Gentleman's Agreement" is just that - there is no governmental involvement.

They all say that their new car produces 276hp at the crank. The Supra never bothered and had 326hp anyway. The Skylines haven't been in the 270s since the R32. The GTO is up around 300. The latest raft of Imprezas are in the 300s (with the WR1 and SpecC both having 320). The Evos have just been taking the piss for years - they have versions in the UK called the FQ-330, FQ-360 and FQ-400 - the numbers being the power rating.

They each SAY that their new Skyline/Impreza/Evo produces 276hp, to appease their rivals and stick to the Agreement, but in reality they produce much more than this.

 

[shaunsund]

Anyone here like the NSX '97 Type S Zero?

 

[shaunsund]

In the early 1990s, to avoid a costly power-race, the major Japanese manufacturers agreed with each other not to produce a car with more than 280PS (276hp). It is commonly referred to as "The Gentleman's Agreement". It has no basis in legislation. It's also largely ignored:

Thanks for answering my question 👍 (even though i have'nt replied. i was just thinking)
I was wandering why all the Japenese 90's cars had 276hp

 

[mindlessoath]

ok, the skyline domunated alot of races never being beat starting at the r32, after r34 which production was holted, there was alot of takers, and alot of new cars.

it just so happens the skyline can be upgraded and it can perform alot better than alot of cars, its proven, even some cars of today... when upgraded.

the skyline when a 1999 stock skyline (~270hp) compaired to the anything in 2004 with more than 360HP you have got to be kidding me man... your totaly rediculus brinnging that arguement here. what a dummie, please dont argue just to get a rise outa people, its pointless and it means your a forum TROLL! if you had a serious point and a good arguement that was well thought out, then i would say ok, and if you said your peace, and kept it at that insetad of egging everyone on, then i would say fine whatever, but now your officialy labled as TROLL.

sorry buddy.

here are some links to just read... no dont argue, just freeking read them.
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0302scc_skyline/
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=231647
http://history.jbskyline.net/
http://press.jbskyline.net/JGTC/2001/Xanavi/
(overall alot of links on www.jbskyline.net )
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=105699

if you dont want to just read them, your truly a poor TROLL... and leave this topic alone.

this has nothing to do with the topic, but i find these videos really cool...
http://www.racingflix.com/browsevideos.asp?p=1
http://www.racingflix.com/browsevideos.asp?p=5
check them out.. no stats are provided so these as tests go right out the window, so dont count on using it as leverage or trolling.

other links
http://www.automotivehelper.com/topic345895.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_skyline

sorry to be hard on the guy, but he has got to learn that pissing people off and egging them on in a wrong mannor like this is wrong, re-evaluate your LIFE!

 

[Homer_SS]

Correct.

The 385hp versions were the 2001 and 2002 model year. The 405hp versions were the 2003 (50th Anniversary Edition) and 2004 model year.

BOOYAH.............i knew i was right!! Some people have no idea wtf there talking about

Back on topic........

I really think this NISMO Z-Tune is sex

 

['85fierogt]

thank you mindlessoath!!! i just read this whole thread and was sayin to myself "damn a '04-'06 z06 with more hp and less weight than the '99 skyline gtr better go faster" the fact of the matter is that if you had a skyline with the same hp and weight as a z06 it would go faster than said z06 but of course it'll cost more. then you've got yourself a bonified basis for an argument.

also you cant use the old "well it would cost me more because i have to ship it to the u.s. from japan" if you look at any car mag, they use the dealership price when comparing cars not the 'adjusted because of overseas shipping" price.

'04-'06 z06 = more hp, lighter, 2 more cylinders, 5-7 years younger (duuuh!! it better go faster than a 5-7 year older skyline)

'99 skyline r34 gtr = less hp, heavier, 2 less cylinders, 5-7 years older

if some one gave me a piece of paper that said this on it...

car A = more hp, lighter, '04-'06 model, 8 cylinders

car B = less hp, heavier, '99 model, 6 cylinders

i would automatically say "well duh huh cletus car A should be faster!!"


this '04 z06 vs. '99 skyline is the same as saying '04 z06 vs. '99 z06 you cant compare them. the 04' is gonna be better but you could get the '99 for much less even if it had super low miles. theres just no basis for an argument.

take my car for example '85 fiero gt, when i bought the car it had only 15,000 miles on it and was in showroom condition, hell it was probably museum quality condition, it looked like it just rolled off the assembly line. i payed $4,500 for it. yeah i could have got the exact same car, or even a '88 which was better, with 100,000 miles on it for $1,500 or less. does that make the 100,000 mile ragged out car a better buy just because its cheaper? i dont think it is. i feel that my car was worth the price because its very rare to see a fiero in driving condition much less close to mint condition.

the reason the r34 skyline is on such a pedestal in the u.s. is because its so rare. you cant even import one anymore except the older r32's. if you want one you have to find someone willing to sell theirs. and yeah its gonna cost you a good bit, because its so rare.


i have about 30 of the skylines. my fav is the loctite-zexel!!

 

[Homer_SS]

I thought the point that started this arguement was that the skyline is not the end all be all of cars. But imho the ZO6 VS Skyline is a fair and just competetion.
Its like comparing.....
RX-7 Vs. Skyline
The thing is just because it has mor hp doesnt put it out of its class..... same with it being a coupe.

There both sports cars under $50,000

 

['85fierogt]

if they were comparing a '99 z06 and '99 skyline i would say its fair, but the skyline has been gone for so long and the new vettes are just now getting to where they can beat cars they couldnt previously. automotive technologies have advanced alot since '99. the c6 vettes, in my opinion, are in a totally different class than previous models. and therefore in a different class than the aged skyline.

 

[Homer_SS]

[QUOTE='85fierogt]if they were comparing a '99 z06 and '99 skyline i would say its fair, but the skyline has been gone for so long and the new vettes are just now getting to where they can beat cars they couldnt previously. automotive technologies have advanced alot since '99. the c6 vettes, in my opinion, are in a totally different class than previous models. and therefore in a different class than the aged skyline.[/QUOTE]

We arent talking about C6 vettes......... try reading next time please??

 

[icandriftbetter]

wasnt this a forum for just what types of skylines you have and which you like best?

 

[Sti04]

wasnt this a forum for just what types of skylines you have and which you like best?

At the beginning

 

[Sprite]

I have all the skylines, and when i see ones for second hand with only 6 miles on the clock i buy them too. TBH i love skylines i even have models and dicasts of them and also the nissan skyline history dvd thing.

 

[Homer_SS]

wasnt this a forum for just what types of skylines you have and which you like best?

Obviously youre new here....so welcome!



Skylines are fun......hell i just came back from the Skyline race at the Nissan Dealership.....man the understeer on that car keeps you on you toes!!! But Nothing a little 40/60 Split and lead foot cant handle.

 

['85fierogt]

lmao this is getting no where! That particular Z06 you've described there isn't the 2004 Z06, thats the $65,000 2006 Z06. It hasn't even hit the market yet. The Corvette I compared to the Skyline was a 385hp, 3,200lb sportscar.

hmmmm... 2006 Z06 isnt that a C6 model?!?!? nah it couldnt be Homer_SS said nobody talked about a C6 vette.


Homer_SS why dont YOU try reading next time. i wasnt referring to any one poster i was referring to the whole thread when i mentioned the C6. it seems to me the c6 was mentioned before by FAOLIOU5 and VTGT07(who edited his post after FAOLIOU5 pointed out his mistake).


as for the topic,

i've never used the weight distribution option. i might have to try out your 40/60 technique on a few of my skylines.

 

[Homer_SS]

[QUOTE='85fierogt]hmmmm... 2006 Z06 isnt that a C6 model?!?!? nah it couldnt be Homer_SS said nobody talked about a C6 vette.


Homer_SS why dont YOU try reading next time. i wasnt referring to any one poster i was referring to the whole thread when i mentioned the C6. it seems to me the c6 was mentioned before by FAOLIOU5 and VTGT07(who edited his post after FAOLIOU5 pointed out his mistake).
[/QUOTE]

Ummmmm right..... if you arent reffering to any one poster than youre entire post is irrelevant to the conversation. They were discussing the C5 ZO6 vs Skyline. Then you come in saying if we compare the C5 ZO6 vs Skyline it would be fair (which is exactly what we were talking about) then you go on to say but the C6 is better than the skyline??

To anyone reading with even half a brain it looks like you thought we were discussing C6's because thats what you compare the skyline with.

If you knew we were talking about the C5 then you look like an even bigger tool because you throw in youre 2 cents about C6 Vs Skyline and how its unfair (which has been discussed before).

Oh and that "mention" you were talking about has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the discussion, like you said it was a mistake......he meant the C5! That means, once again, no mention of C6. I admire you for throwing in youre 2 cents without even reading the whole thread!


Tool!

 

[VT]

Can we just drop the whole discussion from earlier? It was a huge tangent and is better off forgotten.

 

['85fierogt]

i said this in one post " '04 z06 vs. '99 skyline is the same as saying '04 z06 vs. '99 z06 you cant compare them. the 04' is gonna be better but you could get the '99 for much less even if it had super low miles. theres just no basis for an argument."
i said this in another post " if they were comparing a '99 z06 and '99 skyline i would say its fair, but the skyline has been gone for so long and the new vettes are just now getting to where they can beat cars they couldnt previously. automotive technologies have advanced alot since '99. the c6 vettes, in my opinion, are in a totally different class than previous models. and therefore in a different class than the aged skyline."

i didnt say they where comparing a C6 to the skyline. i simply stated the the C6 are in a different class than the older vettes (such as C5) and the skyline. i said this because one guy said something about the C6 earlier in the thread and wanted to state my opinion on it also. i never said C6 vs. skyline.


but enough of spammin this thread. we need to stay on topic or make a thread just about this.

 

[Homer_SS]

EDIT: Ok you posted while i was typing. so

[QUOTE='85fierogt]i said this in one post " '04 z06 vs. '99 skyline is the same as saying '04 z06 vs. '99 z06 you cant compare them. the 04' is gonna be better but you could get the '99 for much less even if it had super low miles. theres just no basis for an argument."
i said this in another post " if they were comparing a '99 z06 and '99 skyline i would say its fair, but the skyline has been gone for so long and the new vettes are just now getting to where they can beat cars they couldnt previously. automotive technologies have advanced alot since '99. the c6 vettes, in my opinion, are in a totally different class than previous models. and therefore in a different class than the aged skyline."

i didnt say they where comparing a C6 to the skyline. i simply stated the the C6 are in a different class than the older vettes (such as C5) and the skyline. i said this because one guy said something about the C6 earlier in the thread and wanted to state my opinion on it also. i never said C6 vs. skyline.


but enough of spammin this thread. we need to stay on topic or make a thread just about this.[/QUOTE]

But YOU CAN compare the 99 ZO6 to the 04 ZO6. There nearly identical except for the minor tweaks and hp bump. Sure the 04 is quicker but there lap times should be very close ( + or - 1sec) Used pricing has nothing to do with it otherwise the Skylines the best BANG for youre BUCK Vs the 04 ZO6 (once again not including importing/legalizing costs, just bare buy the car.)
All youre posts look like youre comparing it to the C6 because of one line

"the c6 vettes, in my opinion, are in a totally different class than previous models. and therefore in a different class than the aged skyline."

This end comments make's it sound like you were comparing it to the C6.

Can we just drop the whole discussion from earlier? It was a huge tangent and is better off forgotten.

Agreed........ this is going nowhere and severly off topic.
This will be my last post unless im provoked.

 

['85fierogt]

how good does your 40/60 weight distribution work?

 

[Homer_SS]

[QUOTE='85fierogt]how good does your 40/60 weight distribution work?[/QUOTE]

Oh man last post i swear

I think youre reffering to me. I meant 40/60 split as in Torque distribution (meaning 60% of the power gets sent to the rear wheels and 40% to the front)

 

[VT]

[QUOTE='85fierogt]how good does your 40/60 weight distribution work?[/QUOTE]
Weight distribution .. I didn't even know that was an option. The only thing that comes to mind is messing with the VCD (Variable Center Differential) which controls the front/rear power ratio.

 

[Homer_SS]

Weight distribution .. I didn't even know that was an option. The only thing that comes to mind is messing with the VCD (Variable Center Differential) which controls the front/rear power ratio.

You can control the weight dirstribution of the Ballasts (F/R) but not the actual cars weight. I think he was referring to my 40/60 Torque split using, like you said, the VDC!

 

['85fierogt]

Homer i figured you were talkin about weight since you were talkin about the car understeering and adding more weight to the back would give it more neutral balance since its front heavy already. i didnt even think about the torque split option. if gt4 had the super-hicas and attesa that acted just like the real car it would handle much better. i thought weight first because of my real car. if i accelerate in corner it will understeer more and if brake it will oversteer i figured it acts like this because it has more weight in the back being a mid engine. i thought that if i added more weight to the back of the skyline it would cause it to oversteer more if i braked late in a turn and then understeer as i accelerated which is also perfect for drifting.

vtgt07 yeah there is a weight option but ive never used it so i dont know if you can add more weight in the back/front or just all over.

 

[VT]

[QUOTE='85fierogt]vtgt07 yeah there is a weight option but ive never used it so i dont know if you can add more weight in the back/front or just all over.[/QUOTE]
Yeah its a ballast weight, which basically means you can put something like 0-100 pounds anywhere front to rear you want to. You can't actually take weight from somewhere and put it somewhere else while keeping the car weighing the same, you add the weight to the car.

 

[Homer_SS]

[QUOTE='85fierogt]Homer i figured you were talkin about weight since you were talkin about the car understeering and adding more weight to the back would give it more neutral balance since its front heavy already. i didnt even think about the torque split option. if gt4 had the super-hicas and attesa that acted just like the real car it would handle much better.

vtgt07 yeah there is a weight option but ive never used it so i dont know if you can add more weight in the back/front or just all over.[/QUOTE].

No problem easy mistake 👍. Yah i think Polyphony should implement SUPER- HICAS and ATTESA in to GT6 if not GT5. Then the skylines would trully rule!
Bah if i could mess around with vehicle weight i would just Shave it off instead of shifting. Damn Fat B@st*rd Skyline needs to lose some weight!

 

['85fierogt]

a well placed weight distribution can work wonders for cornering ability. you wouldnt want the car too light with all that power or it would be all over the place.

 

[Foamy302]

i can never get that stuff to work in my favor so i leave it alone.
i like the 80's skylines and the R34s the best