Sometimes I truly wish PD would learn how to make a racing sim....

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GeneralJesh
I'll try to keep it simple:
No.
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Now you got me curious. What game are you comparing to?
Or are you complaining that this video-game isnt exactly the same as real life? :sly:

And I will edit my earlier post. Hopefully you understand it better this time :cheers:
 
Yeah the whole "driving simulator" thing is just marketing. If they only cared about driving, why bother having NASCAR and Ferrari F1s?

All I am saying why is online racing with good people the only way to enjoy racing in this game. Like go to a Codemasters game and you feel like your racing while playing offline. Why is PD so bad at re-creating racing yet includes race cars?
 
I enjoy playing GT5 offline all the time (and rFactor). Now, if you're a real good player and gettin' golds left & right then I can see why offline would blow. I agree they should have adjustable difficulty levels 100%.

But if you're like me (not that great & awesome) you'll be well entertained offline 👍

Thread title makes more a lot more sense to me now though
 
mr_serious
I agree 100%

I can't even play GT anymore because there is no real racing in it.👍
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Maybe you should try racing online sometime.

Edit: And when I say online, I don't mean in random public lobbies.
 
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i want rfactor 2 so bad >_<. There are just a lot of things wrong in gt5 that make me scratch my head. I wish i could sit down with Kaz and ask him some questions.
 
hamster1984
All I am saying why is online racing with good people the only way to enjoy racing in this game.
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No, because a number of us enjoy racing offline against the bots. I especially like having a full grid of cars, and no silly punters. I don't have much trouble figuring out which cars make a race competitive.
 
yea agree, im starting to get tired of GT5, gt5 its a good game but it is unfinished, and sometimes i think kaz do weird things, if PD could make it better (physics,car selection, features,etc...) there would be no doubt that GT would be the best racing and simulation game!!
 
Tenacious D
No, because a number of us enjoy racing offline against the bots. I especially like having a full grid of cars, and no silly punters. I don't have much trouble figuring out which cars make a race competitive.
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i like playing offline just because sometimes AI makes crazy things that surprise you and make it feel a bit competitive
 
J-KiLLA24
Maybe you should try racing online sometime.

Edit: And when I say online, I don't mean in random public lobbies.
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I have, and have also explicitly stated I have no problem with the online portion of the game. If you find a good set of opponents it is great.

Unfortunately that relies on those decent friends to be ready to play when you are, then it takes forever for everyone to sort out their cars & tyres, then someone gets a disconnect.

Often I might have 1/2 hour to spare when I want to simply leap into something that gives me a competetive race. GT5 doesn't provide that in any form
 
Seriously Mr Serious.

Try a bit of F1 2011 when it comes out.
Probably the best single player career mode out there.

Just a suggestion.
 
hamster1984
Codemasters, iracing, and rfactor truly put PD to shame when it comes to the racing side of things. Just check out this video, I feel 100% sure PD would never even consider this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZWeEoOxKKw&feature=youtu.be

More and more I'm starting to realize PD does not understand racing. No flags, no good damage, and bad AI that does not understand racing.

Anyone agree PD needs to better learn the difference between racing and simply driving?
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They don't have to understand racing. They didn't make a "racing" game. They made a DRIVING game. The racing aspect of it is there just to give the driving some sort of context, and to make it meaningful. Otherwise you'd be driving across the Tappan Zee at rush hour trying to get to Paramus.

Gran Turismo can be best described as a giant track day session. Only without having to pay for gas, insurance, entry fees, and without having to worry about how you'll get to work Monday morning if you crash your ride. If you want a racing game, then there's more than enough on the market to satisfy what you're looking for.
 
MoGoSpeed
It's amazing the same rehashing of ignorant comments.
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Having carefully considered your eloquent explanation of your point of view I have come to a new understanding.

You have truly changed my life!

CaptainHarlock
They don't have to understand racing. They didn't make a "racing" game. They made a DRIVING game. The racing aspect of it is there just to give the driving some sort of context, and to make it meaningful. Otherwise you'd be driving across the Tappan Zee at rush hour trying to get to Paramus.

Gran Turismo can be best described as a giant track day session. Only without having to pay for gas, insurance, entry fees, and without having to worry about how you'll get to work Monday morning if you crash your ride. If you want a racing game, then there's more than enough on the market to satisfy what you're looking for.
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Have you tried playing without racing? I did - this is what happened https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5819278#post5819278

Why didn't they include a track day event? Pretty easy I would think? The reality is there is no non-racing content in GT5

Try creating a new profile and see how much driving you can do without entering a racing event. (I know you won't)
 
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mr_serious
Having carefully considered your eloquent explanation of your point of view I have come to a new understanding.

You have truly changed my life!



Have you tried playing without racing? I did - this is what happened https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5819278#post5819278

Why didn't they include a track day event? Pretty easy I would think? The reality is there is no non-racing content in GT5

Try creating a new profile and see how much driving you can do without entering a racing event. (I know you won't)
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They didn't include a track day event, because Gran Turismo IS a "track day event". That's the whole point of the game. To drive production cars that you normally wouldn't drive on a track against other drivers, whether it's A.I. or against human opponents.

Yes, I've played it without racing. I do power laps repeatedly in my favorite cars to test the settings, and to get the feel of new cars I buy.

Maybe you didn't read what I said, or at least you only read the parts you wanted to read. Without the racing element there wouldn't be any type of context to it. Would you rather forego the racing and just have driving up and down I-95 (a highway that's frequently referred to as "Satan's Thruway" where I'm from) for an hour?

To keep insisting that Polyphony Digital should somehow transform Gran Turismo into a "hardcore racing sim" wouldn't draw in more players, it would most likely alienate existing ones. And quite frankly you're now at the point where no matter what anyone says you immediately contradict them, and INSIST that there's no other point of view than your own, as if you're saying "NO! IT'S ONE WAY AND THAT'S IT!! IT CAN'T BE ANYWAY ELSE!!". This topic has become the Argument Clinic.
 
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CaptainHarlock
They didn't include a track day event, because Gran Turismo IS a "track day event". That's the whole point of the game. To drive production cars that you normally wouldn't drive on a track against other drivers, whether it's A.I. or against human opponents.
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I have been on track days, the one thing that is repeated over and over again is "this is not a race, you are not competing"

CaptainHarlock
Yes, I've played it without racing. I do power laps repeatedly in my favorite cars to test the settings, and to get the feel of new cars I buy.

Maybe you didn't read what I said, or at least you only read the parts you wanted to read. Without the racing element there wouldn't be any type of context to it. Would you rather forego the racing and just have driving up and down I-95 (a highway that's frequently referred to as "Satan's Thruway" where I'm from) for an hour?
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And maybe you didn't read the post I linked? Can you tell me how did you acquire your favourite cars? Because as I noted in that post 20k doesn#t get you a whole lot of favourite cars to just drive

CaptainHarlock
To keep insisting that Polyphony Digital should somehow transform Gran Turismo into a "hardcore racing sim" wouldn't draw in more players, it would most likely alienate existing ones. And quite frankly you're now at the point where no matter what anyone says you immediately contradict them, and INSIST that there's no other point of view than your own, as if you're saying "NO! IT'S ONE WAY AND THAT'S IT!! IT CAN'T BE ANYWAY ELSE!!". This topic has become the Argument Clinic.
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I have never said hardcore racing sim, I just want them to make the offline racing at least equal to other current racing games. I want to be able to qualify and start at my qualifying position on a grid, a bit like real racing

ARGUING IS GOOD WOULD YOU PREFER WE ALL SLAP EACH OTHER ON THE BACK FOR THINKING IDENTICAL THOUGHTS?
 
MoGoSpeed
Really...........REALLLLLYYYY.

When will it end. I swear if I worked at any of the other companies other than PD, I would pay people to register for gtplanet, and continue this nonsense of berating PD(is that whats happening) .


I can't believe this.
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Oh, I don't doubt there's marketing people on here already. Game Informer ran a story a while back about who forum trolls actually are. One marketing firm, hired by a Redmond, Washington software company (I wonder who that could be), was assigned the task of starting flame wars on gaming forums to see what gamers were, in their words, "passionate about". I wouldn't doubt there's spies in our midst.
 
CaptainHarlock
Oh, I don't doubt there's marketing people on here already. Game Informer ran a story a while back about who forum trolls actually are. One marketing firm, hired by a Redmond, Washington software company (I wonder who that could be), was assigned the task of starting flame wars on gaming forums to see what gamers were, in their words, "passionate about". I wouldn't doubt there's spies in our midst.
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Vague and unsubstantiated consiracy theories are not a substitue for reasoned debate.

There is a thread specially for criticising the critics here https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=221132
 
I love this argument. Never ends, thus providing large amounts of reading enjoyment....

I do notice though: GT1, called "best racing game/sim ever" by the fans and fanboys alike, along with 2,3(sorta luke warmly), and 4. Along comes GT5. Now all of the sudden it's just the "best driving game/sim ever" and "never intended to be a racing sim". Mainly this seems to come from fanboys with no other real arguments, and people that believe everything they read. Often the two are one and the same.
But, considerring past reputation, now switching to "It's ment to be a driving game, not a racing game" just sounds like a downgrade to GT's rep, not a defense of it. Seems like it should be GT haters saying "GT5 is just a driving sim, not a racing sim" to troll fanboys.
Strange world. Didn't see this coming on Nov 23 2010, that's for sure.
 
mr_serious
Vague and unsubstantiated consiracy theories are not a substitue for reasoned debate.

There is a thread specially for criticising the critics here https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=221132
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A "vague and unsubstantiated conspiracy theory" that was confirmed by Game Informer magazine back in 2005. But I'm sure according to you they just made the whole thing up, didn't they? And I wasn't talking to you, was I?
 
You have to think of pds customer base as a sliding scale, one end bring all for arcade and the other being sim or die. As it stands at the moment, gt sits nicely on the sim side, but not to the far reaches of the scale. If gt were to go even more sim like, the casual gamers that play gt as an accessible racing game will be alienated and put off, as the game is now too hard for them. Go softer and the people who play it for the sim feeling are again alienated, as now the game is too soft. Pd have hit a good compromise with the gt games, and that's why they continue to sell games.
 
CaptainHarlock
A "vague and unsubstantiated conspiracy theory" that was confirmed by Game Informer magazine back in 2005. But I'm sure according to you they just made the whole thing up, didn't they? And I wasn't talking to you, was I?
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Who knows, you didn't exactly make that clear.

Since I have been complaining about GT5 in this thread and you didn't specify any particular post I was duty bound to assume I was included in your accusation.
 
Bushby_23
You have to think of pds customer base as a sliding scale, one end bring all for arcade and the other being sim or die. As it stands at the moment, gt sits nicely on the sim side, but not to the far reaches of the scale. If gt were to go even more sim like, the casual gamers that play gt as an accessible racing game will be alienated and put off, as the game is now too hard for them. Go softer and the people who play it for the sim feeling are again alienated, as now the game is too soft. Pd have hit a good compromise with the gt games, and that's why they continue to sell games.
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Except back in 1991 there were racing sim/games (Geoff Crammond's F1GP for example) which had a set of optional switches which allowed casual players to have brake assist, no damage, steering assist, racing line etc...

and those who wanted something more realistic could switch them off, what's more the AI was more scalable and a better challenge.

The idea of options and scalable AI are not new and came about to deal with the exact problem you just stated.

[edit] Sorry for the double post, I didn't realise no one had posted in-between :(
 
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Bushby_23
If gt were to go even more sim like, the casual gamers that play gt as an accessible racing game will be alienated and put off, as the game is now too hard for them.
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No. Common misconception.
And among other things, nothing prevents PD from offering options for those who want a more (or less) realistic driving experience.

This is the same argument from previous pages repeated all over again. From now on I'll answer by copy/pasting what I've written previously in post #55:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5818221#post5818221
 
Yes but if the option is there, then we HAVE NO CHOICE but to turn it on. I mean, I can't claim to be any sort of a gamer if I don't beat every game on the hardest mode possible. It's bad enough that you can turn off TC and ABS in GT5, don't they understand that not everyone who wants to play this game is a professional race driver? I sure hope they don't ever add the option to make the bots more difficult! No one will buy the game then.
 
Morgoth_666
Yes but if the option is there, then we HAVE NO CHOICE but to turn it on. I mean, I can't claim to be any sort of a gamer if I don't beat every game on the hardest mode possible. It's bad enough that you can turn off TC and ABS in GT5, don't they understand that not everyone who wants to play this game is a professional race driver? I sure hope they don't ever add the option to make the bots more difficult! No one will buy the game then.
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So you're saying that since you just have to beat the game on the hardest "mode", you don't want more options to increase difficulty/realism for those who prefer it that way (options that are supposed to be in a simulator by the way) ? Putting aside the fact that GT5 doesn't really have "modes" or "levels" to beat - you're perhaps mistaking game genre - don't you think that this kind of logic, as a gamer (as you say), is incredibly selfish and anti-competitive, and ultimately, embarassing?
 
SHIRAKAWA Akira
So you're saying that since you just have to beat the game on the hardest "mode", you don't want more options to increase difficulty/realism for those who prefer it that way (options that are supposed to be in a simulator by the way) ? Putting aside the fact that GT5 doesn't really have "modes" or "levels" to beat - you're perhaps mistaking game genre - don't you think that this kind of logic, as a gamer (as you say), is incredibly selfish and anti-competitive, and ultimately, embarassing?
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I'm pretty sure Morgoth's post was sarcastic.. er at least I hope so????
 
SHIRAKAWA Akira
You never know. I've read similar arguments from people who were actually serious!
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Yeah that post was in my most sarcastic of sarcastic voices. Partly as a jab at those same people. :)

I'm a huge fan of options, I don't mind if there are so many that most people actually ARE daunted by them.
 

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