Special stage 7 , money and xp glitch

[cookieee]

First off seasonals haven't really been good (for me) outside the first two. Now they are just more unrestricted Aspec races missing both the challenge and payout that made the first round of seasonals so great (not to mention they aren't regular and they go away both of which I consider pretty hefty negatives - I shoudln't have to play my game on PD's schedule just to have some game to play).

Secondly the assumption that there is a grind ONLY if I want the game finished now is pretty flawed... no matter how long I stretch it out there is the same grind ahead of me... whether I cram it all into a few weeks or take it over years... the broken leveling system, the poor payouts/car prices are all still there.

The seasonals help with that a LITTLE in that they at least offer different races, but again, the races they do offer are broken in the fact that I have to make the challenge... I have to make the game... that's not how it's supposed to work. Seasonals round 1 and 2 were potential saviors for GT5 but those are long gone.

Also while you like the hyperbole of implying that anyone who doesn't want to grind for months or years to complete the game must want to finish it in a few months, the truth is that EVEN if you use seasonals to offset the grind, at only a handful a week you now MUST take years to finish the game... even if I don't want to finish it in a month, how is a solution that doles out little bits a week at a time forcing me to stretch the game out for years not also broken?

There is a lot of middle ground between squeeze it all in in a few months and foce me to take years to avoid a grind.

Lastly you are focusing on the symptom and telling me that it's my fault when the reality is the cause is the real problem and that is PD's fault.

I don't want to finish GT5 in 3 months... I enjoyed GT4 far longer than that and definitely wanted GT5 to last longer than that... I don't know where you get the idea that people who resort to shortcutting the grind WANT to finish the game fast... I just WANT to grind even LESS than I want to finish the game fast, THAT'S the problem and again thats not my fault... that's PDs fault.

So when you say playing the game is not a grind, I am sorry you are wrong. It is absolutely a grind. There are only 3 choices:

1: Grind - a LOT. If you stick only to on disc content (ie if you have no internet) you MUST grind.

2: Rely on seasonals to get around grinding. Great but seasonals haven't offered anything special or particularly enjoyable since season 2 and if you rely on this you get little dabs of things to do once every few weeks (unreliably) for years. Also bear in mind that you will probably STILL have to grind just to get the cars to participate in seasonals (*ahem* Ferrari Challenge *ahem*)

3: Take shortcuts. People don't do this because they want to... people didn't pay $60 in hopes they would have no better option than to shortcut their way through a badly laid out game. I am pretty sure almost everyone of us hoped for a game that would offer as many years of deep enjoyable content as it took to make the game... but given that that's not what we got and the other two options, I don't see how you can blame anyone for taking choice 3... not because they "WANT TO FINISH IN 3 MONTHS" but becuase they really DO NOT want to do the other two options and honestly there is only about 3 months of content in the game... the rest is artificial filler and THAT is what is being skipped.

BTW also remember seasonals are only a solution (in there limited fashion) if you have access to the internet. A surprisingly large portion of the world doesn't and for them the game is entirely broken.

A really good post, you spoke the hearts of many gt fans here. I hope PD reads this in the feedback section, cuz this is honestly how more than half of us feel like.

 

[kaputsport]

First off seasonals haven't really been good (for me) outside the first two. Now they are just more unrestricted Aspec races missing both the challenge and payout that made the first round of seasonals so great (not to mention they aren't regular and they go away both of which I consider pretty hefty negatives - I shoudln't have to play my game on PD's schedule just to have some game to play).

Secondly the assumption that there is a grind ONLY if I want the game finished now is pretty flawed... no matter how long I stretch it out there is the same grind ahead of me... whether I cram it all into a few weeks or take it over years... the broken leveling system, the poor payouts/car prices are all still there.

The seasonals help with that a LITTLE in that they at least offer different races, but again, the races they do offer are broken in the fact that I have to make the challenge... I have to make the game... that's not how it's supposed to work. Seasonals round 1 and 2 were potential saviors for GT5 but those are long gone.

Also while you like the hyperbole of implying that anyone who doesn't want to grind for months or years to complete the game must want to finish it in a few months, the truth is that EVEN if you use seasonals to offset the grind, at only a handful a week you now MUST take years to finish the game... even if I don't want to finish it in a month, how is a solution that doles out little bits a week at a time forcing me to stretch the game out for years not also broken?

There is a lot of middle ground between squeeze it all in in a few months and foce me to take years to avoid a grind.

Lastly you are focusing on the symptom and telling me that it's my fault when the reality is the cause is the real problem and that is PD's fault.

I don't want to finish GT5 in 3 months... I enjoyed GT4 far longer than that and definitely wanted GT5 to last longer than that... I don't know where you get the idea that people who resort to shortcutting the grind WANT to finish the game fast... I just WANT to grind even LESS than I want to finish the game fast, THAT'S the problem and again thats not my fault... that's PDs fault.

So when you say playing the game is not a grind, I am sorry you are wrong. It is absolutely a grind. There are only 3 choices:

1: Grind - a LOT. If you stick only to on disc content (ie if you have no internet) you MUST grind.

2: Rely on seasonals to get around grinding. Great but seasonals haven't offered anything special or particularly enjoyable since season 2 and if you rely on this you get little dabs of things to do once every few weeks (unreliably) for years. Also bear in mind that you will probably STILL have to grind just to get the cars to participate in seasonals (*ahem* Ferrari Challenge *ahem*)

3: Take shortcuts. People don't do this because they want to... people didn't pay $60 in hopes they would have no better option than to shortcut their way through a badly laid out game. I am pretty sure almost everyone of us hoped for a game that would offer as many years of deep enjoyable content as it took to make the game... but given that that's not what we got and the other two options, I don't see how you can blame anyone for taking choice 3... not because they "WANT TO FINISH IN 3 MONTHS" but becuase they really DO NOT want to do the other two options and honestly there is only about 3 months of content in the game... the rest is artificial filler and THAT is what is being skipped.

BTW also remember seasonals are only a solution (in there limited fashion) if you have access to the internet. A surprisingly large portion of the world doesn't and for them the game is entirely broken.

I agree. There are many things that are "wrong" with the game, but I also think that the arguments laid out show a kind of "self entitlement" side of people.

First argument is the "I laid out my $60 for this game to drive the cars I want". To me, that is the worst argument ever. Part of the fun was earning that car by working your way up the ranks. I agree the money cap, or prices should be adjusted, but a lot of other things should also be fixed.

Second argument is the "It doesn't hurt you, so why do you care" attitude. Again, while you racing does not effect me directly, once this patch is closed your online playing habits might.

The flipside is the same sh-t different day stuff...

-You took the fun out of it
-Cheater
-Only the morally lost would do something like this
-Etc, etc, etc...

The two sides both show valid points, however coming from one side to the other shows where the purists are not seeing the forest from the trees.

I raced to level 31 without ever glitching, duping or anything. I worked hard, and won my races fair and square (and my second profile has never done any of the duping, or anything). When the ban hammer dropped, I wanted to collect a few cars that I have never seen, and I set out to trade for them. After doing this, I was left with only endurance races left and 5 mil in credits. I drove the first 5 endurance races and found my level stayed close to the same (I was a 33 then) and my money was pathetic (6.5 million). I won 117,000 credits for a 5 and a half hour race doing the 1000km at Tsuzuka.

There in lies the problem. $117,000 credits??? So I can buy an 80's RUF??? Awesome. I always wanted to buy a car that can't keep up with the race cars, and spend all my winnings doing so.

I glitched a few times, and bought the MKIV Race Car. Now I am working on the Muira. I have not raced my own person in a week because it is getting old. No new events and only a few rather long endurance races left... What is there to look forward to?

Buying cars, and getting to use them online is a perk, and I love it. Cry me a bucket if you hate the idea. Doing it the honest way" did not get me anywhere. I even raced some courses and cups over and over again just to make some cash.

Point being, the game is flawed from the money perspective, and needs to be fixed. Add some older tracks, make some new events, and the game will be back in the drive.

 

[Corpsey]

First off seasonals haven't really been good (for me) outside the first two. Now they are just more unrestricted Aspec races missing both the challenge and payout that made the first round of seasonals so great (not to mention they aren't regular and they go away both of which I consider pretty hefty negatives - I shoudln't have to play my game on PD's schedule just to have some game to play).

Secondly the assumption that there is a grind ONLY if I want the game finished now is pretty flawed... no matter how long I stretch it out there is the same grind ahead of me... whether I cram it all into a few weeks or take it over years... the broken leveling system, the poor payouts/car prices are all still there.

The seasonals help with that a LITTLE in that they at least offer different races, but again, the races they do offer are broken in the fact that I have to make the challenge... I have to make the game... that's not how it's supposed to work. Seasonals round 1 and 2 were potential saviors for GT5 but those are long gone.

Also while you like the hyperbole of implying that anyone who doesn't want to grind for months or years to complete the game must want to finish it in a few months, the truth is that EVEN if you use seasonals to offset the grind, at only a handful a week you now MUST take years to finish the game... even if I don't want to finish it in a month, how is a solution that doles out little bits a week at a time forcing me to stretch the game out for years not also broken?

There is a lot of middle ground between squeeze it all in in a few months and foce me to take years to avoid a grind.

Lastly you are focusing on the symptom and telling me that it's my fault when the reality is the cause is the real problem and that is PD's fault.

I don't want to finish GT5 in 3 months... I enjoyed GT4 far longer than that and definitely wanted GT5 to last longer than that... I don't know where you get the idea that people who resort to shortcutting the grind WANT to finish the game fast... I just WANT to grind even LESS than I want to finish the game fast, THAT'S the problem and again thats not my fault... that's PDs fault.

So when you say playing the game is not a grind, I am sorry you are wrong. It is absolutely a grind. There are only 3 choices:

1: Grind - a LOT. If you stick only to on disc content (ie if you have no internet) you MUST grind.

2: Rely on seasonals to get around grinding. Great but seasonals haven't offered anything special or particularly enjoyable since season 2 and if you rely on this you get little dabs of things to do once every few weeks (unreliably) for years. Also bear in mind that you will probably STILL have to grind just to get the cars to participate in seasonals (*ahem* Ferrari Challenge *ahem*)

3: Take shortcuts. People don't do this because they want to... people didn't pay $60 in hopes they would have no better option than to shortcut their way through a badly laid out game. I am pretty sure almost everyone of us hoped for a game that would offer as many years of deep enjoyable content as it took to make the game... but given that that's not what we got and the other two options, I don't see how you can blame anyone for taking choice 3... not because they "WANT TO FINISH IN 3 MONTHS" but becuase they really DO NOT want to do the other two options and honestly there is only about 3 months of content in the game... the rest is artificial filler and THAT is what is being skipped.

BTW also remember seasonals are only a solution (in there limited fashion) if you have access to the internet. A surprisingly large portion of the world doesn't and for them the game is entirely broken.

Sadly, I'm a victim of this madness... I bought the game thinking it would be everything to do with cars and motorsport racing.. EVERYTHING.. and was disappointed.. I played without internet until about level 15 and everything was great.. but then I patched my game and was saddened by many things.. mostly, because I had friends that also bought the game, I thought trading was going to be quick and fun and that turned out to be dreadful as you could only send 1 car per day (sometimes 2 for no apparent reason) and only get 1 or 2 in return.. when I had heard of the system it sounded infinite and that really motivated me to buy the game.. now PD is even putting a cap on the price of cars that can be traded for some odd reason and FINALLY implemented the ability to use friends cars via the online function. Also, I was making more money grinding offline.. now that my game is patched they're offering less credits for winning races. So I feel like I would be making more money (and I would be) if I had just stayed offline, but then I wouldnt get the benefits of the bonus races.. still for the credits I would have been earning, sometimes I wish I had stayed offline.

other things that bother me:
Favourite cars cap.. should be wayyy more than 100, I have 630 cars

online should have way more functions.. and you should be able to access your favourite cars mid-race... I don't give a **** who doesn't agree, I want to start with some oldschool cars and if you don't have the balls to race me with something around the same era or horsepower/weight ratio, I would bring out a car more suited to their choosing.. the game would be more -fun- imo if you don't think so please keep it to yourself, I'm not saying I don't like the X2010 or other powerhouse cars, it's just that I've been grinding with them so much I'm sick of them, truly.

Trading Cars Limit.. should be no limit.. without having to glitch or something stupid that only people related to playstation seem to know about btw

Credits for winning races should go back to unpatched earnings..

On the brightside:
The new inclusion of car systems (full custom tranny finally full custom etc) is awesome.. good work PD. I have had a lot of fun tuning cars.

On topic: Glitchers are usually cowards. Then again people only glitch if the game allows them to.. seriously I would think for a game that considers itself the "Real Driving Simulator".. glitching isn't all that real :\ whens the last time you saw some guy spin in circles and win a race in real life? sigh

 

[Jamezy10]

i was in a glitch race with 13 people 2 got through with fully modded gtr's the nthe rest of us took 9 mins to get in cos every1 kept pushing each other.

 

[Devedander]

On topic: Glitchers are usually cowards.

I was following your post right up until there... I am afraid that is just a blatently uneducated statement. While I am sure it's true in some cases it feels a lot like "muslims are terrorists" or "Jews are greedy".

i was in a glitch race with 13 people 2 got through with fully modded gtr's the nthe rest of us took 9 mins to get in cos every1 kept pushing each other.

I believe people turn on penalties which causes car ghosting and thus no such problem.

 

[ZR1fan]

I love this glitch.. I was able to raise 2 million.. Fix my FGT and C2 Z06.. And replace the ARTA i traded off on a Motul Autech GTR.. So basically all of my objectives are done.. Now to retire that 4000 mile team total 908 that i got off a trade and replace it with another fresh car.. Once i accomplish that.. Ill be set

 

[Mario2Lopez]

On topic: Glitchers are usually cowards. Then again people only glitch if the game allows them to.. seriously I would think for a game that considers itself the "Real Driving Simulator".. glitching isn't all that real :\ whens the last time you saw some guy spin in circles and win a race in real life? sigh

I really don't understand what you refer by cowards. You just need to grow up an learn this is a game, not real life and people play games differently; LeBron vs Kobe, Messi vs C.Ronaldo and etc. The game is not realistic in any way, I own two cars in the game none of them are realistic and yeah they are premium models in the game. When was the last time I saw some guy spin in circles and win a race in real life? Ever heard of NASCAR. When was the last time you ever saw someone complete a 24hr LeMans race by itself? When was the last time a driver didn't receive a championship prize for winning the same event? Poor M. Schumacher he should probably spin in is grave if this was realistic.

 

[RobGT81]

Looking forward to all the cry babies when their PSN accounts get closed! haha! 'But I paid $60 for this game wah wah wah.... ' bring the pain PD!

 

[RobGT81]

I really don't understand what you refer by cowards. You just need to grow up an learn this is a game, not real life and people play games differently; LeBron vs Kobe, Messi vs C.Ronaldo and etc. The game is not realistic in any way, I own two cars in the game none of them are realistic and yeah they are premium models in the game. When was the last time I saw some guy spin in circles and win a race in real life? Ever heard of NASCAR. When was the last time you ever saw someone complete a 24hr LeMans race by itself? When was the last time a driver didn't receive a championship prize for winning the same event? Poor M. Schumacher he should probably spin in is grave if this was realistic.

When did Schuey kick the bucket?? lol

 

[Mario2Lopez]

When did Schuey kick the bucket?? lol

Not as of yet but I was talking into the future..

 

[Devedander]

Looking forward to all the cry babies when their PSN accounts get closed! haha! 'But I paid $60 for this game wah wah wah.... ' bring the pain PD!

This stuff cracks me up... every time people are so sure people will get banned... boy, those poor guys who duped! It was a sure thing they were gonna get banned! They're probably all crying right now

But whats it to you anyway? Why are you so eager to see others get punished? Does it make you feel better about yourself?

 

[PrettyNiceGuy]

Looking forward to all the cry babies when their PSN accounts get closed! haha! 'But I paid $60 for this game wah wah wah.... ' bring the pain PD!

lol.....learn how to race!!! so you can do this to.
they are not gonna ban people because of bad made racing games.

grow up!!..go to school and do what your parents tell you to do,...maybe you learn something.

 

[mmpotroast]

I had a long response written and then it dawned on me.

Want to know why people are glitching? It's because they are able to get more fun out of the game.

For those with lives, 1-2 hours a day is the most we can play. That means reaching level 30, at most. It also means that certain things are never unlocked (races and a car or two). Monetarily, 20 million credits is never going to happen (making more cars impossible to enjoy).

The glitch makes the game more fun. I play quite often and have done 90% of the races. I enjoyed doing them once. Grinding (which is a mathematical must-do in order to reach level 40) sucks. I hate it. I'm sick of Indianapolis. I spent weeks grinding that stupid track so I could afford any car I wanted. The glitch lets me do that in 1 hour. It has kept me playing this game (considering the updated Seasonal Events are updated sparingly and only take an hour to complete).

If you want to play the game legitimately and grind the hell out of Indianapolis in order to get that dream car you want, feel free. Most of us don't. It isn't that we don't want to put forth the effort of saving credits. It's the time factor associated with it that nobody wants to deal with.

 

[blingATL]

Devedander wins at this thread imo

 

[GTShadowKing]

This stuff cracks me up... every time people are so sure people will get banned... boy, those poor guys who duped! It was a sure thing they were gonna get banned! They're probably all crying right now

But whats it to you anyway? Why are you so eager to see others get punished? Does it make you feel better about yourself?

This:tup:

 

[Sander 001]

What little whiney b****es I've seen. One kid names his room 'Glitching - No Donuts' and another names his 'Host 1st - Glitch'. The self-centeredness and greed from some people is stunning.

 

[evil_c5]

I didnt use the glitch for money, but I spent about an hour driving around the off the track area, and its odd that there are roads on there that go nowhere, and streetlights that have no streets....makes you think that maybe they plan to add something down the road...

either way, I dont care if people use the glitch, it doesnt hurt me, I just thought it was pretty cool to have free roam off the track.

 

[snowxdadx3]

I didnt use the glitch for money, but I spent about an hour driving around the off the track area, and its odd that there are roads on there that go nowhere, and streetlights that have no streets....makes you think that maybe they plan to add something down the road...

either way, I dont care if people use the glitch, it doesnt hurt me, I just thought it was pretty cool to have free roam off the track.

yep. couldn't give a rat's butt less.

 

[t_w_a_h]

I had resolved not to enter into this conversation further as it is plain which side has the majority, however it seems that rational points are being ignored so the community can once again argue about what 'cheating' is.

This thread has turned into another pointless and ultimately repetitive moral conversation about the collection money, xp and levelling up. Yawn.

That's not even close to the reason why anyone who enjoys GT5 online should moan about this glitch.

The reason I moaned about it was the way it has made using online to find good racing much harder. We now have to search through significantly higher volumes of rooms due to the high overall % of glitch rooms. Then when you do get into a room they seem substantially more prone to disconnections than pre-glitch.

All the previous arguments re. duping and the other quick[er] ways to bypass the levelling system and get the cars you want have centred on "it's my game and if playing it my way doesn't affect you then there is no problem".

This is a point I ultimately agree with but this online glitch is affecting other players ability to use the provide online functionality directly [as a consequence of the weight of users using this glitch] rather than other players perceived value of a car or their perceived value of their progression through the game.

Simple fact of it is that is you are using this glitch to further your own gameplay you are adding frustration to users who like to race [in the traditional sense] online.

Simply put that means by using this glitch you are directly and negatively consequencing other users.

Please, don't use the plea "it's my game, I am harming no-one else" because in this case it's not true (not because of the 'cheating' aspect but because of pure logistical detail).

Anyway, to avoid the sheer boredom of scrolling down to find a good room in the public lobbies I had a lot of fun playing the seasonals and trying to get a decent place in the academy time trial (I'd be happy to get inside the top 1000 but hey a free car is always a bonus!) instead of online racing in my limited couple of game hours this weekend. I did miss the thrill of human competion though. 👎

 

[Supercheyenne]

Simply put that means by using this glitch you are directly and negatively consequencing other users.

People who use a wheel are negatively affecting others too... should they ban using wheels online?

BTW, my internet connections haven't changed one bit since the SS7 glitch has risen in popularity. I've NEVER been disconnected while playing GT5 online. I suggest you call your internet provider.

Oh, and I would like to note that this hasn't been your contention all along. First you started with "I have to wade through all your SS7 crap" and now you've conveniently shifted to "my connectivity is suffering because of you". You don't like it, we get it. Nobody is going to change their opinion regardless of what you (or I) say. Nobody is going to "win" this argument. The cheaters are cheaters and the righteous are righteous. I'm a cheater (if you care) and I don't feel one bit guilty.

 

[MaccGyver]

This glitch is like a godsend to me
I have been at level 28 forever and i don't have the time or patience to grind on A-spec,its not fun.

I only bought this game to race online wich meant i had a hard time trying to aquire money and cars to race with.

Now ive got alot of money and i have bought a 787B and i can finally do some long endurance races on Le Mans, wich i couldn't afford to do previously.

 

[kenkwilinski]

I didnt use the glitch for money, but I spent about an hour driving around the off the track area, and its odd that there are roads on there that go nowhere, and streetlights that have no streets....makes you think that maybe they plan to add something down the road...

either way, I dont care if people use the glitch, it doesnt hurt me, I just thought it was pretty cool to have free roam off the track.

It's all staging for the 3D model, little parts u might see off track or the lights can be a black negative light to darken the scene because the scene has thousands of street lamps which are spot lights. And there's like a sofa or something and I'm thinking that is a control box for the 3D modelers/ map riggers, I believe they associate it with an object so they all know where a specific controller might be for the map. Also notice howw underneath the bridge the lighting is very drastic. For example on side is pitch black and the other is bright. And there is extreme glow on the bridge's footings. That's why I think there is weird odds and ends. It's all staging, like a scene in a movie, that works the same in 3D modeling.

 

[t_w_a_h]

People who use a wheel are negatively affecting others too... should they ban using wheels online?

Negatively affects others ability to compete maybe but not simply use.

BTW, my internet connections haven't changed one bit since the SS7 glitch has risen in popularity. I've NEVER been disconnected while playing GT5 online. I suggest you call your internet provider.

I can't prove it either way but reports of disconnections & lobby hangs seem to have gone up since the glitch but it is I admit anecdotal. I don't know if the PSN hosts the lobbies or simply facilitates P2P connections but I assume it must be the former due to what I have seen with online 'laggers' (usually an individual rather than a room and not appearing to be directly related to geographical region).

Oh, and I would like to note that this hasn't been your contention all along. First you started with "I have to wade through all your SS7 crap" and now you've conveniently shifted to "my connectivity is suffering because of you".

Because I first complained before the rise in popularity. Later, the day after the sudden surge, I then reported connectivity problems.

You don't like it, we get it.

You'll note that my recent post was actually more a comment on the fact that once again a thread has become focused on something as asinine as cheating vs following the 'rules'. A conversation about a moral position on such a subject has little relevance on a message board about a specific computer game!

A general thread on the subject within a gaming context would be interesting however.

Beyond this, I'm not sure why I should not be vocal about something that makes my favourite aspect of the game 100% more frustrating than before? How is that different from the far more prevalent 'wish list' or 'complaint' type threads?

I want everyone to be able to enjoy the game, myself included.

Nobody is going to change their opinion regardless of what you (or I) say. Nobody is going to "win" this argument. The cheaters are cheaters and the righteous are righteous.

Agreed.

I'm a cheater (if you care) and I don't feel one bit guilty.

And nor should you, progress however you see fit.

 

[RWB1213]

Why do I do donuts underneath the bridge???

1. The XP schedule for level promotion is ridiculously steep. You all realize that at level 34 you're only half way to 40 in terms of XP points, right?
2. The credit schedule is ridiculously flat if not regressive, the longer the race the less you earn per lap- with the few exceptions which were used to grind.
3. Truly competitve racing is only available online, the AI blows as it always has in GT games.

Think of it this way, the glitch is simply accelerated grinding, and in my case a welcome release from pondering, which race am I gonna rerun next for an insulting payout? All of you clinging to the a spec level system as some kind of progress scale can join the rest of us that gave up on it months ago. At least we can all agree now, it is absolutely broken.

I'd go a step further, PD should leave the glitch open, and remove the limit on how many credits you can have, or increase it to $100M. If PD allowed more cash to flow, we'd all have more cars, and upgrades so we can explore the real value (IMO) of the game- online racing. If PD patches the glitch, they should TRIPLE the payouts on sprint races, and up the endurance race payouts 10X.

Many of you may curse the glitch, but for many of us (check the number of online lobbies running SS7 races), the glitch saved us from serious boredom.

Prime example- Ferrari Seasonal Events- requires the purchase of a 10m OR 12.5m f1 car. Collective payout for all events- just UNDER 1M. You can't even get your investment back on the car purchase, and as these cars are limited in which events you can use them, you'd have to run the seasonal events 10X just to break even- thats 50 races and a total of 500 laps!!!

 

[diabolicwyvern]

First off seasonals haven't really been good (for me) outside the first two. Now they are just more unrestricted Aspec races missing both the challenge and payout that made the first round of seasonals so great (not to mention they aren't regular and they go away both of which I consider pretty hefty negatives - I shoudln't have to play my game on PD's schedule just to have some game to play).

Secondly the assumption that there is a grind ONLY if I want the game finished now is pretty flawed... no matter how long I stretch it out there is the same grind ahead of me... whether I cram it all into a few weeks or take it over years... the broken leveling system, the poor payouts/car prices are all still there.

The seasonals help with that a LITTLE in that they at least offer different races, but again, the races they do offer are broken in the fact that I have to make the challenge... I have to make the game... that's not how it's supposed to work. Seasonals round 1 and 2 were potential saviors for GT5 but those are long gone.

Also while you like the hyperbole of implying that anyone who doesn't want to grind for months or years to complete the game must want to finish it in a few months, the truth is that EVEN if you use seasonals to offset the grind, at only a handful a week you now MUST take years to finish the game... even if I don't want to finish it in a month, how is a solution that doles out little bits a week at a time forcing me to stretch the game out for years not also broken?

There is a lot of middle ground between squeeze it all in in a few months and foce me to take years to avoid a grind.

Lastly you are focusing on the symptom and telling me that it's my fault when the reality is the cause is the real problem and that is PD's fault.

I don't want to finish GT5 in 3 months... I enjoyed GT4 far longer than that and definitely wanted GT5 to last longer than that... I don't know where you get the idea that people who resort to shortcutting the grind WANT to finish the game fast... I just WANT to grind even LESS than I want to finish the game fast, THAT'S the problem and again thats not my fault... that's PDs fault.

So when you say playing the game is not a grind, I am sorry you are wrong. It is absolutely a grind. There are only 3 choices:

1: Grind - a LOT. If you stick only to on disc content (ie if you have no internet) you MUST grind.

2: Rely on seasonals to get around grinding. Great but seasonals haven't offered anything special or particularly enjoyable since season 2 and if you rely on this you get little dabs of things to do once every few weeks (unreliably) for years. Also bear in mind that you will probably STILL have to grind just to get the cars to participate in seasonals (*ahem* Ferrari Challenge *ahem*)

3: Take shortcuts. People don't do this because they want to... people didn't pay $60 in hopes they would have no better option than to shortcut their way through a badly laid out game. I am pretty sure almost everyone of us hoped for a game that would offer as many years of deep enjoyable content as it took to make the game... but given that that's not what we got and the other two options, I don't see how you can blame anyone for taking choice 3... not because they "WANT TO FINISH IN 3 MONTHS" but becuase they really DO NOT want to do the other two options and honestly there is only about 3 months of content in the game... the rest is artificial filler and THAT is what is being skipped.

BTW also remember seasonals are only a solution (in there limited fashion) if you have access to the internet. A surprisingly large portion of the world doesn't and for them the game is entirely broken.

OMG...I found someone using logic to defend an opinion on GTP

 

[mmenzie]

i dont see what the huge need to do this is.... if you want good money without doing any work, why not just use the b-spec remote races and setup the b-spec auto grinder yahoo widget (as seen in a post on here). i have done that and today in just a couple of hours (less than 4 hours) i have made over $500,000.00 and i didn't have to do anything. i don't consider it "cheating" as PD gave us remote racing. so easy money and i don't have to sit and try and do donuts for 20 minutes and hurt my thumb. just my opinion i guess

 

[chadwick]

Again.....

up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, b, a, start.
You know you all used it at least once, so stop bitching about a little glitch.

 

[chadwick]

i dont see what the huge need to do this is.... if you want good money without doing any work, why not just use the b-spec remote races and setup the b-spec auto grinder yahoo widget (as seen in a post on here). i have done that and today in just a couple of hours (less than 4 hours) i have made over $500,000.00 and i didn't have to do anything. i don't consider it "cheating" as PD gave us remote racing. so easy money and i don't have to sit and try and do donuts for 20 minutes and hurt my thumb. just my opinion i guess

The auto grinder widget wasn't made by PD. So technically (according to a lot of opinions on here), you'd be cheating by using that, right? How is that better to use, than getting into a room and going in circles MANUALLY, than clicking a button and letting it run all day by itself? PD made the online b-spec so you'd have to log in online and create a race, pick your opponents and start the race. Once that one was over, you'd have to manually do it all over again. What you're doing is the same as the glitch. If you don't think so, you need to take your blinders off.

 

[mmenzie]

The auto grinder widget wasn't made by PD. So technically (according to a lot of opinions on here), you'd be cheating by using that, right? How is that better to use, than getting into a room and going in circles MANUALLY, than clicking a button and letting it run all day by itself?

why..... cause PD gave us remote racing... they didn't give us maps and directions on how to drive into a jersey barrier to get to parts of the track we weren't supposed to get to to donuts UNDER a finish line. sure the b-spec auto grinder is doing the work for me (which i would be doing anyway at work widget or not) but at least i am using the what the programmers actually gave us and not something they forgot to check

 

[mvpers]

Devedander wins at this thread imo

Yes he does, and he is also the man who taught me this glitch!

Thanks for all your help Deve!!!

i was pretty much giving up on playing certains parts of this game until this money glitch appeared, now i have renewed interest in playing.

See you under the bridge!