SRF on seasonals

[Ills1999]

Because the tires don't offer realistic grip. SRF/on feels more realistic than SRF/off. Stick-stick-stick-break loose vs. steel wheels.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Because the tires don't offer realistic grip. SRF/on feels more realistic than SRF/off. Stick-stick-stick-break loose vs. steel wheels.

Steel wheels , not to me, even comfort medium feels just like a street tire, of course I also never use SRF Here is how comfort tires drive without any aids ( no SRF )

Another great lap at Motegi Full Road Course with Maserati GranTurismo S '08, stock, CM tires, no ABS, extreme BB 10 / 8, time 2:22.683. Enjoy the lap



Now if the tires don't offer realistic grip, I would not be able to drive that Maserati wouldn't I ?

 

[playnthru]

Because the tires don't offer realistic grip. SRF/on feels more realistic than SRF/off. Stick-stick-stick-break loose vs. steel wheels.

Say what?


I have read many of your SRF arguments, none make sense... This gibberish even less.

 

[Ills1999]

Say what?


I have read many of your SRF arguments, none make sense... This gibberish even less.

Every car I've ever driven has had inflatable tires made out of rubber. They like to stick, even when one puts a side load on them and you can feel the sidewall deflect, you can easily feel when the tire is going to break loose. This is how SRF/on feels in GT.

SRF/off feels like steel skate wheels. Totally unrealistic.

 

[Jaywalker]

Every car I've ever driven has had inflatable tires made out of rubber. They like to stick, even when one puts a side load on them and you can feel the sidewall deflect, you can easily feel when the tire is going to break loose. This is how SRF/on feels in GT.

SRF/off feels like steel skate wheels. Totally unrealistic.

Oy vey...

 

[watermelon punch]

Sometimes when I read in threads like this, or others... some of the comments. I look immediately & hope that the person's location is not near me, and I won't be subject to their driving in real life.

 

[G00D]

Guys, did the licenses have the srf always on (locked)? Ive been alway frow gt5, and today started to try to gold them... but i dont remember the srf being on...

 

[Giulietta73]

Because the tires don't offer realistic grip. SRF/on feels more realistic than SRF/off. Stick-stick-stick-break loose vs. steel wheels.

From my experience - just no.

 

[playnthru]

Every car I've ever driven has had inflatable tires made out of rubber. They like to stick, even when one puts a side load on them and you can feel the sidewall deflect, you can easily feel when the tire is going to break loose. This is how SRF/on feels in GT.

SRF/off feels like steel skate wheels. Totally unrealistic.

Um no you're wrong! None of those "feelings" are present.. And trying to say that they are, clearly your just making up fantasy's...

Besides, we had two years of optional SRF, so now claiming it's real and we all should accept it's sudden realism is just plain B.S!

You just like to troll this topic, and try to convince everyone the AID you need is REAL.. It's not! Never has been.. If you need it, great use it.. But real, dude get real!! SRF as portrayed in GT5 does not exist....So how can it be real (yes we proved this already)??? Why keep trolling???

 

[Ills1999]

From my experience - just no.

I guess your cars all had steel wheels, or maybe you have an insensitive bottom. 👍

 

[TokoTurismo]

This thread is funny.

 

[Ills1999]

Um no you're wrong! None of those "feelings" are present.. And trying to say that they are, clearly your just making up fantasy's...

Besides, we had two years of optional SRF, so now claiming it's real and we all should accept it's sudden realism is just plain B.S!

You just like to troll this topic, and try to convince everyone the AID you need is REAL.. It's not! Never has been.. If you need it, great use it.. But real, dude get real!! SRF as portrayed in GT5 does not exist....So how can it be real (yes we proved this already)??? Why keep trolling???

Um no, you're wrong. In the real world, your car doesn't feel like you're driving on marbles all the time. You can punch it, toss the car sideways etc, and it will stick for quite some time before it breaks loose, if ever.

Out of curiosity, how long have you been driving?

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Um no, you're wrong. In the real world, your car doesn't feel like you're driving on marbles all the time. You can punch it, toss the car sideways etc, and it will stick for quite some time before it breaks loose, if ever.

Have you even watched the video I posted on the previous page ? Watch how the stock Maserati took the corners at Motegi Road with comfort medium, no ABS, no SRF, no other aids ... does that look like how a car with steel wheel drive or on marbles ? It's the driver not the tire or the car.

 

[Ills1999]

Have you even watched the video I posted on the previous page ? Watch how the stock Maserati took the corners at Motegi Road with comfort medium, no ABS, no SRF, no other aids ... does that look like how a car with steel wheel drive or on marbles ? It's the driver not the tire or the car.

You aren't driving, you're playing a video game. There is no question that you are good at the video game, but it doesn't go to the point.

SRF/off doesn't feel 'real'.

This thread is full of 'experts' who want to pretend that because something is more difficult, it's therefore more 'real'.

SRF/on matches my experience in the real world more closely than does SRF/off.

It just isn't that easy to spin out on dry asphalt in the real world.

 

[watermelon punch]

Ills1999 can you please give us some details of your driving experience on race tracks, pushing real cars to their limits?

 

[mitchcarino]

watermelonpunch
Ills1999 can you please give us some details of your driving experience on race tracks, pushing real cars to their limits?


amen

 

[NCRthree]

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=244830&highlight=pgtr+tire

JDMKing has a pretty darned good guide for street tires based on TireRack's grip ratings. Lots of interesting information in the thread definitely worth a look for those interested in realism.

Also I read a long time back that PD had a Tire Guide for Prologue to get the most realistic tire for a street car you should drop down one grade. It said the default tire is to make it easier for new drivers. I couldn't locate it in a quick search.

I also remember when PD had a TT where we tried to match a real life race car drivers's times around Top Gear Test Track. In order to get a close correlation, PD had the Mercedes in GT5 run CS tires I believe. GT5 driver's smoked his times. There was a similar incident with a writer driving an Audi TT on Laguna. Either CM or CS tires were use to match his real life times.

How realistic GT5's tire physics and physics in general is opening up a huge debate. Once one starts tuning and taking advantage of different aids and the physics engine, realism can get tossed right out the window.

Edit: My own limited track time with street cars has made my opinion that aids off and a lower tire than default mimics reality closer than GT5's aids and tires. I've Autocrossed and done track days at VIR with a stock 2003 S2000, a modded 2002 WRX and a stock 2008 Evo X GTR. All on HP Summer radials. I found it's pretty darned easy to get loose if you don't follow the track's line or lift when you shouldn't. I've watched plenty of drivers spin at low speeds, lower than GT5 speeds for sure. You've got to respect a real life track's line or you can get in serious trouble real fast.

A common issue in any racing sim/game is that you're probably driving much faster than reality. Just watch your speeds on any track. No way someone driving on the street could come close to the 10/10th driving in GT5. At least I hope not!

 

[sparkytooth]

You aren't driving, you're playing a video game. There is no question that you are good at the video game, but it doesn't go to the point.

SRF/off doesn't feel 'real'.

This thread is full of 'experts' who want to pretend that because something is more difficult, it's therefore more 'real'.

SRF/on matches my experience in the real world more closely than does SRF/off.

It just isn't that easy to spin out on dry asphalt in the real world.

You're doing exactly what the others here are doing.You're pretending to be the expert just like the rest of us.I'm not sure if you're wrong or right based on SRF on or off but I have one thing to say:This is a video game and if we have an option (the ability to choose) we must not have that option taken away or locked into on or off because that's why it's an option, you can turn it on or off at your own leisure and discretion.

If you prefer SRF on I don't really care as that's your choice not mine.I'm a masochist at GT,the harder the drive the funner the drive so I personally prefer SRF off.But who cares about that anyway?All we care about is that PD has taken away the option of choosing SRF on or off and we want the ability to choose,that's all.

P.S. I'm no expert as I haven't driven in real life yet.

 

[watermelon punch]

all we care about is that pd has taken away the option of choosing srf on or off and we want the ability to choose,that's all.

+1

 

[Ills1999]

Ills1999 can you please give us some details of your driving experience on race tracks, pushing real cars to their limits?

SRF/off is like driving on marbles at street speeds and power levels. That's the point.

Kindly detail your real world racing and driving experience.

 

[Ills1999]

You're doing exactly what the others here are doing.You're pretending to be the expert just like the rest of us.I'm not sure if you're wrong or right based on SRF on or off but I have one thing to say:This is a video game and if we have an option (the ability to choose) we must not have that option taken away or locked into on or off because that's why it's an option, you can turn it on or off at your own leisure and discretion.

If you prefer SRF on I don't really care as that's your choice not mine.I'm a masochist at GT,the harder the drive the funner the drive so I personally prefer SRF off.But who cares about that anyway?All we care about is that PD has taken away the option of choosing SRF on or off and we want the ability to choose,that's all.

P.S. I'm no expert as I haven't driven in real life yet.

Fair enough, and I have no beef with people who proclaim that they'd like the choice and leave it at that.

 

[Exorcet]

There is perhaps some validity on both sides. Limit behavior on comfort tires is pretty hit and miss despite the grip levels being decent. Real cars don't always simply explode into over/understeer when they reach the limit as in GT.

SRF increases grip at the limit, which could feel a bit like progressive loss of traction that you get with most road tires. It's not realistic, but it might feel that way under certain conditions I suppose.

The way I see it, comfort tires have the right amount of grip, sports tires behave a bit better at the limit.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

SRF/off is like driving on marbles at street speeds and power levels. That's the point.

This is so funny

Do you know what street speed is ? Less than 60 mph on most road, some even less than 50mph, try to drive at that speed in GT5 without SRF, street tire and tell me if it's still like driving on marbles at that speed. Remember to drive like you would in real life, no sudden full throttle, just 20% to 50% throttle would be more than enough for street speed

And power levels, how much is for street level ? less than 200HP or 300HP ? At such low power driving at street speed of less than 60mph, 20% to 50% throttle and still need SRF just to make it "real" ... sorry, but this is the only explanation I can think of :

 

[sparkytooth]

This is so funny

Do you know what street speed is ? Less than 60 mph on most road, some even less than 50mph, try to drive at that speed in GT5 without SRF, street tire and tell me if it's still like driving on marbles at that speed. Remember to drive like you would in real life, no sudden full throttle, just 20% to 50% throttle would be more than enough for street speed

And power levels, how much is for street level ? less than 200HP or 300HP ? At such low power driving at street speed of less than 60mph, 20% to 50% throttle and still need SRF just to make it "real" ... sorry, but this is the only explanation I can think of :

+1,000,000.Also because DS3 (impossibru to drive at street speed without a pedal).

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

+1,000,000.Also because DS3 (impossibru to drive at street speed without a pedal).

You can always use higher gear when driving with DS3 on street speed, say 3rd or 4th gear just like in real life, coasting when no longer need to accelerate, and mashing the throttle won't cause sudden panic moment

 

[sparkytooth]

You can always use higher gear when driving with DS3 on street speed, say 3rd or 4th gear just like in real life, coasting when no longer need to accelerate, and mashing the throttle won't cause sudden panic moment

Thanks.I don't really like cruise speeds in GT5 because slow.I do play manual BTW.

 

[Ills1999]

This is so funny

Do you know what street speed is ? Less than 60 mph on most road, some even less than 50mph, try to drive at that speed in GT5 without SRF, street tire and tell me if it's still like driving on marbles at that speed. Remember to drive like you would in real life, no sudden full throttle, just 20% to 50% throttle would be more than enough for street speed

And power levels, how much is for street level ? less than 200HP or 300HP ? At such low power driving at street speed of less than 60mph, 20% to 50% throttle and still need SRF just to make it "real" ... sorry, but this is the only explanation I can think of :

Yes, exactly, SRF/off is like driving on marbles at 60mph.

And I have absolutely floored it, past an apex, at 60, in a FR pony car, and I'm telling you that it's not all that easy to break traction.

SRF/off is NOT realistic, even at 200-300 hp.

I've been driving for almost 30 years, you?

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Thanks.I don't really like cruise speeds in GT5 because slow.

You should try cruise themed room like at SSR7, driving slow cars at 40-50mph, while some "wangan" racers driving past you at 200+ mph, imagine LFA, Lambo, Ferrari, Skylines, NSXs and other supercars passed you at that speed. Unique experience.

 

[sparkytooth]

You should try cruise themed room like at SSR7, driving slow cars at 40-50mph, while some "wangan" racers driving past you at 200+ mph, imagine LFA, Lambo, Ferrari, Skylines, NSXs and other supercars passed you at that speed. Unique experience.

I'm more of a racer even though I don't always win.I currently don't have the game with me but when I do get it I'll just race and drift (drifting is my most recent driving skill).

 

[G00D]

Sorry about asking this again... But could anyone help? Like someone said above, I like to suffer in GT5 - every race must be hard, even in ASpec, where you can cheat a little bit. I started playing GT5 in a wheel (never used the DS3), and started without any AID (not even ABS). I´ve been playing like this since PD plagued the whole game with this SRF locked "on". I was a little bit sad about that, so re-starded the "A" licenses. Realized that they´re all with the SRF locked "on". So, made that question you can read below.

"Guys, did the licenses have the srf always on (locked)? Ive been alway frow gt5, and today started to try to gold them... but i dont remember the srf being on..."