Standard cars with carbon hoods?

[diegorborges]

Honda NSX-R Concept '01 had a CF bonnet didn't it?

Yep that too! But unlike the Trueno S. Shigeno, it can be painted on all it's glory and keep the carbon parts... Looks astonishing in metallic blue =)

 

[DDAAVVIIDD82]

Amuse S2000 R1 has a carbon hood, roof, trunk lid, and spoiler. The R1, not the GT1.

 

[Jmac279]

To the best of my knowledge you can't put a carbon hood on any standard model...although some standards do come with a carbon hood:

Isuzu Bellet 1600 GT-R!
Nissan BNR34 Skyline GT-R V-Spec II Nur (Don't quote me).

Thats the only 2 I know of personally...I'm sure there is more out there though.
R*

It's Wikipedia, so it's possible it's not correct, but - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isuzu_Bellett

The GT-R, more specifically GT Type-R (for "racing"), was a racing version of the GT, also available to individual customers. First presented in September 1969, the GT-R featured a 1.6 L DOHC engine from the 117 Coupe, power brakes and numerous other modifications. It was visually different from other Belletts primarily by a specific paint scheme, which included a completely black hood.

If you look at real life pics, it doesn't look like CF:
http://farm1.staticflickr.com/39/112237808_778f74a8c1_o.jpg

 

[Xenn]

The Mugen S2000 also has a carbon hood.

 

[HKS racer]

No, there are not.
This wont happen next update because it would require lots and lots of texturing for each car (due to the pattern of the carbon) which will take way too much time.

Lot of texturing for each car? Take a look here:
http://www.tjansson.dk/wp-content/Carbon-fiber-background.png
http://old.nxt.accurender.com/forums/storage/144/2667/Carbon Fibre texture.png
http://ebin.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/wallpaper-cf1-1280x1024.png
there are tons of these patterns on the net.

And the following is carbon look skin I made for a GTR2 mod using one of these carbon fiber patterns and the car template provided by the modders.
http://i.imgur.com/5AO5O.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Npdk4.jpg

Even Pd have template for their cars, no matter if standard or premium. If a cars has no stickers they still need templates to map reflections correctly. Whit the car template changing texture on the hood is a matter of 5 minutes in photoshop.

 

[sesselpupser]

Ae86 just looks black, I don't know that it's carbon.

I agree, I'm pretty sure it's just black paint. You see a lot of AE86s with black painted bonnets (sorry, hoods) and not so many with CF ones, so I would imagine the S.S. Version follows that trend.

Edit: the Bellett is an old, old wooden ship so I somehow doubt that's a CF bonn-- hood, black paint makes much more sense when you think about it.

 

[seanneedscar]

Lot of texturing for each car? Take a look here:
http://www.tjansson.dk/wp-content/Carbon-fiber-background.png
http://old.nxt.accurender.com/forums/storage/144/2667/Carbon Fibre texture.png
http://ebin.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/wallpaper-cf1-1280x1024.png
there are tons of these patterns on the net.

And the following is carbon look skin I made for a GTR2 mod using one of these carbon fiber patterns and the car template provided by the modders.
http://i.imgur.com/5AO5O.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Npdk4.jpg

Even Pd have template for their cars, no matter if standard or premium. If a cars has no stickers they still need templates to map reflections correctly. Whit the car template changing texture on the hood is a matter of 5 minutes in photoshop.

I used to skin and compile models for an FPS game and this guy is right, if I had the texture file to a car I could put a CF hood on it in about 5 minutes with photoshop

Im thinking the reason you cant get CF hoods for standards are because its time wasted. I'm sure there wont be standards in GT6 so PD are going to let them die off before that time. Why spend the time on a visual upgrade

 

[Cowboys965]

They could make it do you could have body-colored hoods, without the hood pins just so they can be 10kg lighter.

 

[JaySin85]

I agree, I'm pretty sure it's just black paint. You see a lot of AE86s with black painted bonnets (sorry, hoods) and not so many with CF ones, so I would imagine the S.S. Version follows that trend.

Edit: the Bellett is an old, old wooden ship so I somehow doubt that's a CF bonn-- hood, black paint makes much more sense when you think about it.

I also think it would have been mentioned in initial D, had it been carbon. Damn, I really want another stage of that show...

 

[andrewyhy]

Don't forget the Toyota Sprinter Trueno from Initial D, and the Carbon R (for those that just want to be extreme about carbon, lol)

Also the Spoon EK9 and DC2 + Mugen S2000! 👍

EDIT: oops, didn't know they're already posted on page 2.

 

[interpolfan11]

Quoting myself from the other thread...


They should just step away from Standards altogether.

They should just step away from GT5 altogether. Why not focus on GT6 and make it the best game it can be?

 

[1241Penguin]

They should just step away from GT5 altogether. Why not focus on GT6 and make it the best game it can be?

Because there's still more to come out of GT5.

 

[TakumiFuji01]

The Touge Monster Amuse S2000 R1 from Hot Version uses Carbon Fiber & Titanium instead of removing amenities like A/C, & stereo. No Interior panels are removed. I bet this car can beat Takumi's AE86.

 

[TakumiFuji01]

I also think it would have been mentioned in initial D, had it been carbon. Damn, I really want another stage of that show...

Well there running the mangas and Fujiwara races Koganshiwa again but he's driving a MR-S, if you do know the up-to-date of the volumes, never mind lol

 

[interpolfan11]

Because there's still more to come out of GT5.

Yeah, at the expense of GT6.

 

[1241Penguin]

Yeah, at the expense of GT6.

If you want to wait 4 years for a good game at the expense of you not getting any improvements for the game you are currently playing, go ahead. PD aren't high school kids, they know how to manage their time wisely.

Of course, you might argue that this time is used for making Standards glitter, but if so, all they are doing is wasting their time.

No one knows what PD is doing. I'm saying this only because I'm assuming that the Premiums will make it to GT6, but not the Standards.

 

[interpolfan11]

If you want to wait 4 years for a good game at the expense of you not getting any improvements for the game you are currently playing, go ahead. PD aren't high school kids, they know how to manage their time wisely.

Of course, you might argue that this time is used for making Standards glitter, but if so, all they are doing is wasting their time.

No one knows what PD is doing. I'm saying this only because I'm assuming that the Premiums will make it to GT6, but not the Standards.

Totally incorrect. Enjoy your 800 standard cars, museum cards, racing suits, racing helmets, horns, and unnecessarily complicated paint chip system while the obnoxious Forza fanboys enjoy well-thought out features like Autovista and Rivals mode.

 

[diegorborges]

Totally incorrect. Enjoy your 800 standard cars, museum cards, racing suits, racing helmets, horns, and unnecessarily complicated paint chip system while the obnoxious Forza fanboys enjoy well-thought out features like Autovista and Rivals mode.

We're enjoying, a lot actually. And you can play your Forza if you don't enjoy those features, most people here do.

If they can work more on GT5, I want them to do it. Because now they got 2 teams, one for GT5 and other for GT6, so why not improve the game even more? GT5 V1.0 and 2.0+, there's no comparision, its just MUCH better.

Being able to change wheels on standards and the "simplified cockpit view" are some of those new things that just make the game a lot more enjoyable. I see lots of people that didn't used the standards because of these stuff and now they use them. And with the updates, most standards look better too.

So, if they can spend some time improving them, I want them to do it. I paid for the game, I paid for every one of these 1000+ cars. Even the tons of Miatas and Skylines. Want to know? I enjoy them and I want to PD get the most out of every single car. A beetle, a Citroen 2CV, a MX-5 or a damned standard Hyundai. I want them ALL. Carbon hoods for standards? More wheel options? You talked about helmets and suits, I want more of them! Old school helmets and suits would make it even more amazing.

Like I said, I want everything that PD gives us.

We asked for a game that could be updated on the fly, and thats what they are delivering. Awesome updates, improving the game.

If they just left without improvements, they would be acting like most game developers today. And release a game every year to get your cash.

 

[DeadEnd]

Totally incorrect. Enjoy your 800 standard cars, museum cards, racing suits, racing helmets, horns, and unnecessarily complicated paint chip system while the obnoxious Forza fanboys enjoy well-thought out features like Autovista and Rivals mode.

It seems rather easy, but why would you play GT5 if you think Forza is better? In any case, do whatever you want and don't whine about it.

 

[interpolfan11]

We're enjoying, a lot actually. And you can play your Forza if you don't enjoy those features, most people here do.

I think this is an inaccurate statement. I'm fairly certain that the people that share my sentiments outnumber the people that share your feelings about those features. Plus, we both know there's countless so-called whiners like me, both on this forum, and especially outside of this forum where people are less likely to be GT5 fanboys. These people don't care for those features and would have preferred if PD used the time to address GT5's more pressing concerns.

It seems rather easy, but why would you play GT5 if you think Forza is better? In any case, do whatever you want and don't whine about it.

Two reasons actually:
a) My parents and I can't afford a PS3 and an Xbox 360 and a racing rig.

b) Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said Forza was a better game. GT5 surpasses FM4 as a game based on driving physics alone - and nothing else.

 

[1241Penguin]

I think this is an inaccurate statement. I'm fairly certain that the people that share my sentiments outnumber the people that share your feelings about those features. Plus, we both know there's countless so-called whiners like me, both on this forum, and especially outside of this forum where people are less likely to be GT5 fanboys. These people don't care for those features and would have preferred if PD used the time to address GT5's more pressing concerns.

How do you know there are more GT5 gamers who dislike the game more than like it? I'm not a fanboy by any means, but those who only complain should have better things to do. Certainly, I want more content added for GT5, but I don't go around screaming it in everyone's face, saying how because one game has this, so should this game.

Two reasons actually:
a) My parents and I can't afford a PS3 and an Xbox 360 and a racing rig.

b) Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said Forza was a better game. GT5 surpasses FM4 as a game based on driving physics alone - and nothing else.

a) Then how do you know what FM4 is like?

b) YOU were the one who brought up the topic of FM4, and how it had "well-thought out features like Autovista and Rivals mode," while we had to "enjoy your [our] 800 standard cars, museum cards, racing suits, racing helmets, horns, and unnecessarily complicated paint chip system."

 

[interpolfan11]

How do you know there are more GT5 gamers who dislike the game more than like it? I'm not a fanboy by any means, but those who only complain should have better things to do. Certainly, I want more content added for GT5, but I don't go around screaming it in everyone's face, saying how because one game has this, so should this game.

a) Then how do you know what FM4 is like?

b) YOU were the one who brought up the topic of FM4, and how it had "well-thought out features like Autovista and Rivals mode," while we had to "enjoy your [our] 800 standard cars, museum cards, racing suits, racing helmets, horns, and unnecessarily complicated paint chip system."

a) I go to my best friend's house every weekend and play Forza 4 with him just about the every single time.

b) Again, the so-called whiners like myself complain about these features constantly. And if you stepped outside the gtplanet bubble, you'd realize that GT5 has turned into a bit of a laughingstock, partially due to the mismanaged time that yielded those mostly unwanted features.

EDIT: By the way, I can't emphasize my next point enough. I'm a fan of BOTH series. I just want one of them to be the best game it can be.

 

[Slash]

I think the weight you would be reducing from purchasing the carbon hood is included with one of the other options for standard cars to make things even with premiums.

 

[LarryL]

I think it's SO hilarious that Forza fans, who are fans of a FAR inferior product in almost every way in terms of being a racing game (let's be honest here and not even put the word simulation in there), think that THEY are the ones who know what Gran Turismo needs to be doing to be "good".

I don't give 2 ******* ***** about what Forza fans have to say about GT. Their opinions are just drivel in terms of Gran Turismo. You think an arcade racer is a sim. Game Over. Nuff' said. CU-L8R. Forza now is about as much of a sim as GT3 was (i.e.: it wasn't).

The only thing Forza fans are right about GT5 needing is a livery editor. And it's really just a fluke that they're right about that because it just happens to be the 1 thing Forza has that GT5 doesn't have or do better. They didn't come up with that by logical, sound reasoning (if they had that they wouldn't call Forza a sim). It's just the one thing they have, so they MUST say it. Them being right is just a fluke. Anyone with half a brain could tell you a custom livery editor is nice and something people would want. You may as well tell me I need oxygen to live. Thanks for the news flash.........

If you people (Forza fans who think they know best about what GT should be doing) knew or cared about racing games, particularly the Sim sub-genre, you wouldn't be on this forum trying to make Gran Turismo more like Forza and less like Gran Turismo. You'd be on the Forza forums trying to get Forza to be more like Gran Turismo, and less like Cruisin' USA.

Thank You

 

[Rudenut]

I think it's SO hilarious that Forza fans, who are fans of a FAR inferior product in almost every way in terms of being a racing game (let's be honest here and not even put the word simulation in there), think that THEY are the ones who know what Gran Turismo needs to be doing to be "good".

I don't give 2 ******* ***** about what Forza fans have to say about GT. Their opinions are just drivel in terms of Gran Turismo. You think an arcade racer is a sim. Game Over. Nuff' said. CU-L8R. Forza now is about as much of a sim as GT3 was (i.e.: it wasn't).

The only thing Forza fans are right about GT5 needing is a livery editor. And it's really just a fluke that they're right about that because it just happens to be the 1 thing Forza has that GT5 doesn't have or do better. They didn't come up with that by logical, sound reasoning (if they had that they wouldn't call Forza a sim). It's just the one thing they have, so they MUST say it. Them being right is just a fluke. Anyone with half a brain could tell you a custom livery editor is nice and something people would want. You may as well tell me I need oxygen to live. Thanks for the news flash.........

If you people (Forza fans who think they know best about what GT should be doing) knew or cared about racing games, particularly the Sim sub-genre, you wouldn't be on this forum trying to make Gran Turismo more like Forza and less like Gran Turismo. You'd be on the Forza forums trying to get Forza to be more like Gran Turismo, and less like Cruisin' USA.

Thank You

I like when Gran Turismo fans can also be Forza fans. I don't own an xbox. However, I do think Forza 4 has a better selection of cars in a way. I would not trade GT5's for it though. I do think, however, that PD could learn a couple things about car selection from Turn10.

 

[1241Penguin]

b) Again, the so-called whiners like myself complain about these features constantly. And if you stepped outside the gtplanet bubble, you'd realize that GT5 has turned into a bit of a laughingstock, partially due to the mismanaged time that yielded those mostly unwanted features.

Mismanaged time? It was the majority of people who were whining like little kids about how their GT5 hasn't come out yet. They were the reason it was released in such an unpolished state. Now, PD is trying to fix that.

We've gotten quite a bit of GT vs FM here, which by the way is this way.

 

[LarryL]

edited to remove because that guy's right. I shouldn't hijack someones thread with GT vs F talk.

 

[diegorborges]

I like when Gran Turismo fans can also be Forza fans. I don't own an xbox. However, I do think Forza 4 has a better selection of cars in a way. I would not trade GT5's for it though. I do think, however, that PD could learn a couple things about car selection from Turn10.

Great, great post. Wise words!

Now we can get back to the original discussion. Carbon hoods for standards

 

[Rusty*]

It's Wikipedia, so it's possible it's not correct, but - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isuzu_Bellett


If you look at real life pics, it doesn't look like CF:
http://farm1.staticflickr.com/39/112237808_778f74a8c1_o.jpg

Lol! Good research work there mate.;tup:

There not a bad little car the Isuzu.
It's an older little car that cracks a nice note.
R*

 

[Ravicale]

I think it's SO hilarious that Forza fans, who are fans of a FAR inferior product in almost every way in terms of being a racing game (let's be honest here and not even put the word simulation in there), think that THEY are the ones who know what Gran Turismo needs to be doing to be "good".

I don't give 2 ******* ***** about what Forza fans have to say about GT. Their opinions are just drivel in terms of Gran Turismo. You think an arcade racer is a sim. Game Over. Nuff' said. CU-L8R. Forza now is about as much of a sim as GT3 was (i.e.: it wasn't).

The only thing Forza fans are right about GT5 needing is a livery editor. And it's really just a fluke that they're right about that because it just happens to be the 1 thing Forza has that GT5 doesn't have or do better. They didn't come up with that by logical, sound reasoning (if they had that they wouldn't call Forza a sim). It's just the one thing they have, so they MUST say it. Them being right is just a fluke. Anyone with half a brain could tell you a custom livery editor is nice and something people would want. You may as well tell me I need oxygen to live. Thanks for the news flash.........

If you people (Forza fans who think they know best about what GT should be doing) knew or cared about racing games, particularly the Sim sub-genre, you wouldn't be on this forum trying to make Gran Turismo more like Forza and less like Gran Turismo. You'd be on the Forza forums trying to get Forza to be more like Gran Turismo, and less like Cruisin' USA.

Thank You

I wouldn't say that forza is an arcade racer, more of a quasi-simulation racer (leaning towards but not to the simulation side). I will say that I like GT5 better, though it is unpolished it is much more engrossing and the fact that it is a little less open makes you see new features all the time. I do think that GT5 needs a livery editor to replace the racing modification system, it would be easier for PD than remodeling nearly every car and changing physics variables and would give more customization. If they add more body kits to the next GT I will be in heaven with the customization.