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I'll be honest, I was expecting Snoke to have a much larger role in TLJ, which led to me being quite surprised at what happened. When you see his hologram in TFA I thought right, this is gonna be the next Emperor but was was a little underwhelming.

A few times I have thought to myself...... what if they went down the clone Emperor road like the expanded universe did?

People already comment about the similarity of the sequel trilogy to the original trilogy, and yet people want the dynamic between Snoke and Kyle to be the same as Sidious and Vader... it appears the writers were boned either way.

Well... it's a good question. I've seen all of the live action films. But I can't really say I like that many of them at this point. I like episode 4 well enough, and 5 was something of a cinematic landmark. 6 fell hard from that but salvaged itself with a solid beginning and ending (the two most important bits in the movie). The prequels were absolute garbage. Episode 7 was a solid movie in and of itself, but when you consider that 4-6 existed, it's a retread along the lines of raiders of the lost arc / last crusade, except that 4-6 had already been retreaded with the special edition, and 6 was its own bit of retread on 4. Rogue one was a pretty solid movie, and then we have TLJ.

I'm probably a solid 6 on the star wars fan meter, and I rate empire among the best movies of all time despite its flaws.

Fair enough. Some of your issues are somewhat explained in other canon materials.

Personally I've never been a big fan of Empire, outside of the battle on Hoth at the beginning, and I'd say that the overall tone, or feel, of TLJ is very reminiscent of ESB.

For me TLJ cashed in the massive value of the Tatooine twin sun set scene in ANH, so whilst I accept that TLJ has significant issues, it offers enough of a gut punch right in the feels that I will continue to forgive it.

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In other news, I finally picked this up...

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.. looking forward to it.
 
Don’t get me wrong, I am loving this sequel trilogy. I don’t really understand the hate that TLJ gets. I enjoyed it, and I didn’t even find myself upset that there was no Han Solo, since I thought I’d be hung up over that. I just honestly thought that Snoke would have had a bigger role and....

had continued to be alive into the third film. Now I’m curious as to where they go with the New Order and if we will get anything more about the Knights of Ren now that Kylo has declared himself Supreme Leader.
 
I just can't get excited about SOLO. I think my biggest problem is the actor playing Han looks nothing like a younger Harrison Ford, but past that it just doesn't seem like a terribly interesting movie. Also given how much I disliked TLJ, I'm not sure if I really have much hope for the franchise going forward.
 
I just can't get excited about SOLO. I think my biggest problem is the actor playing Han looks nothing like a younger Harrison Ford, but past that it just doesn't seem like a terribly interesting movie. Also given how much I disliked TLJ, I'm not sure if I really have much hope for the franchise going forward.
Can't let one director ruin the whole thing.
 
I think my biggest problem is the actor playing Han looks nothing like a younger Harrison Ford,

As long has he's enjoyable in the role I don't think it matters that much. Ewan Macgregor looked nothing like Sir Alec Guiness, but was still just about the best thing in the prequels.

but past that it just doesn't seem like a terribly interesting movie. Also given how much I disliked TLJ, I'm not sure if I really have much hope for the franchise going forward.

also... I have to say that is probably your biggest problem. TLJ hate seems to be providing a lot of unjust bias against an entirely separate film.. it's like people don't want to like it, as that will help empower their spite towards Disney of TLJ. I could be wrong on that in your case, but it's the impression I get from a lot of anti-Solo people online.
 
As long has he's enjoyable in the role I don't think it matters that much. Ewan Macgregor looked nothing like Sir Alec Guiness, but was still just about the best thing in the prequels.
Chris Pine was great in Shatner's role to for Star Trek. No issues there for me.
 
This is what I am waiting for this summer. Maybe I am more of the intelectual type and I am getting tired of chewing gum, popcorn eating FX wonders


“I have sensed a disturbance in the Force.”

Emperor Palpatine paused, stretching out his thoughts to the two men standing before his throne, awaiting their reactions.

No. Not men. Of course not men. Men were insignificant, pitiable creatures, fit only to be ruled, or intimidated, or sent to die in battle. These were far more than mere men.

A Chiss Grand Admiral, a strategic and tactical genius. A Sith Lord, ruthless and powerful in the Force.

They were watching him, Palpatine knew, each trying in his own way to glean some understanding as to why they’d been summoned. Grand Admiral Thrawn was observing his Emperor’s voice, face, and body stance. Lord Vader, in contrast, was stretching out with the Force toward his master.

Palpatine could feel all that. But he could also feel the tension between these, his two most useful servants.

The tension wasn’t simply because each wished to be the one standing alone at his master’s side at the center of Imperial power. That was certainly part of it.

But there was more. Much more. Thrawn had recently suffered a serious defeat, permitting a small group of rebels he’d successfully trapped on the planet Atollon to slip through his fingers. That failure had earned Vader’s contempt.

Thrawn, in his turn, strongly opposed the Death Star project favored by Vader, Grand Moff Tarkin, and Palpatine himself, pushing instead for his own prized TIE Defender project on Lothal. So far Thrawn’s opposition had not reached the level of open resistance, but the Emperor knew it was only a matter of time. Vader knew that, as well.

But Palpatine hadn’t brought them here to offer an opportunity for reconciliation. Certainly not to mediate personally in their conflict. There were other, far deeper considerations.

Thrawn had given his oath of loyalty to the Empire. But that loyalty had never been fully tested. Vader stood beside Palpatine as the Sith Master’s apprentice But his previous life among the Jedi could not simply be ignored nor casually dismissed.

Here, with this intriguing Force disturbance, was the opportunity to deal with both issues.

Palpatine raised his eyes briefly toward the high window in his throne room. The Star Destroyer Chimaera was visible in the distance, a barely discernible arrowhead shape floating high above Coruscant’s buildings and skylanes. Normally, military craft that large weren’t permitted closer than low orbit. But Palpatine had wished the ship to be present during this meeting, a subtle reminder to both of his servants of what had been given to Thrawn, and what could be taken away.

Vader spoke first, as Palpatine had known he would. “Perhaps you sense the rogue Jedi Kanan Jarrus,” he said. “Or the creature Admiral Thrawn claimed to have encountered on Atollon.”

Palpatine smiled thinly. Of course he wasn’t sensing Jarrus. That particular disturbance had long since been noted, codified, and dismissed, a fact Vader knew only too well. The suggestion was nothing more than a reminder to Thrawn—and to Palpatine—of the Chiss’s humiliating defeat.

Thrawn gave no visible reaction to Vader’s comment. But Palpatine could sense a hardening of his attitude. He’d already promised the Emperor that he would deal with Jarrus and the Phoenix rebels who had so recently slipped through his fingers. Much of that failure had been due to factors not under Thrawn’s control, which was why Palpatine hadn’t taken the Seventh Fleet away from him.

But Vader had no patience for failure of any sort, no matter what the reasons or excuses. For now, he was waiting; but he was more than ready to step in to solve that particular problem if the Grand Admiral failed.

“This disturbance comes from neither,” Palpatine said. “It is something new. Something different.” He looked back and forth between his servants. “Something that will require both of you working together to uncover.”

Again, neither of them visibly reacted. But Palpatine could sense their surprise. Their surprise, and their reflexive protest.

Working together?

This time, it was the Chiss who spoke first. “With all due respect, Your Majesty, I believe my duty and my abilities would be best used elsewhere,” he said. “The rebels who escaped Atollon must be tracked down and eliminated before they can regroup and join with other cells.”

“I agree,” the Emperor said. “But the Seventh Fleet and Commander Woldar can deal with that without you for now. Grand Moff Tarkin will also be joining the commander while his new assignment is being prepared for him.”

Palpatine sensed a flicker in Vader’s emotions, perhaps a hope that Thrawn would mistakenly believe this was the right time and place to once again raise objections to the Death Star project. Palpatine paused, offering the Grand Admiral the opportunity to do just that.

But Thrawn remained silent.

“While Woldar and Tarkin find and deal with the rebels,” the Emperor continued, “you and Lord Vader will take your flagship to deal with this other matter.”

“Understood, Your Majesty,” Thrawn said. “May I point out that Governor Tarkin is less familiar than I am with this particular Rebel cell. Perhaps a more efficient approach would be for Lord Vader to be offered one of my Star Destroyers and seek out this disturbance on his own.”

Palpatine felt a sudden stirring of anger from his apprentice at Thrawn’s unthinking choice of phrase. A Lord of the Sith was not offered a ship. He took what he wanted when he wanted it.

But like Thrawn, Vader knew when to remain silent.

“You surprise me, Admiral Thrawn,” Palpatine said. “I would have expected a certain eagerness to journey within sight of your home.”

Thrawn’s glowing red eyes narrowed slightly, and Palpatine felt his sudden caution. “Excuse me, Your Majesty?”

“The disturbance is located at the edge of your Unknown Regions,” the Emperor said. “It appears to be centered on a planet named Batuu.” Again, he sensed a reaction to the name. This time, the reaction came from both of them. “I believe you have heard of it?”

Thrawn’s eyes were hooded, the expression on that blue-skinned face swirling with memories. “Yes,” he murmured. “I have indeed heard of it.”

As, of course, had Vader. It was the place where he and Thrawn had long ago interfered, albeit unwittingly, with one of Palpatine’s plans.

But again, Vader remained silent.

“Very well, then,” Palpatine said. “You, Admiral, will command.” He looked at Vader. “You, Lord Vader, will deal with the disturbance.”

“Yes, Your Highness,” Thrawn said.

“Yes, my master,” Vader said.

Palpatine leaned back into the depths of his throne. “Then go.”

The two servants turned and walked toward the door between the double line of red-cloaked Imperial Guards silently lining their path. Palpatine watched them go: the Chiss in his white Grand Admiral’s uniform, the Sith garbed in black, his long cloak swirling behind him.

The solution to this particular puzzle would indeed require both of them. But more importantly, it would address Palpatine’s lingering questions.

He smiled thinly. Time for Thrawn to face his future.

Time for Vader to face his past.

Thrawn: Alliances arrives July 24, 2018
 
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The prequels and general fanboyism (and to a lesser extent, RotJ) have ruined the mystery around Boba Fett. I was hoping for more Rogue One-style spin offs rather than already familiar character biopics.
 
The prequels and general fanboyism (and to a lesser extent, RotJ) have ruined the mystery around Boba Fett. I was hoping for more Rogue One-style spin offs rather than already familiar character biopics.

I can't see it being a character biopic, more just an excuse to make an action film with a somewhat familiar character in a lead role.

This is what I am waiting for this summer. Maybe I am more of the intelectual type and I am getting tired of chewing gum, popcorn eating FX wonders

They mention Batuu... perhaps Thrawn Alliances is just about promoting Galaxy's Edge them park!
 
Just saw Solo.....

And to be completely honest, it wasn't bad at all. I'm not one of those people stuck on the fact that Alden is nothing like Harrison Ford, so I just concentrated on enjoying the movie for what it was and I quite liked it. And I about fell out of my seat when Darth Maul showed up. Seems like there's another story to be told there and I can't wait to read/see it. Overall I would give it an 8/10. Will see again, IMAX this time.
 
Yup.. CHEWBACCA: A Han Solo Story

I liked it.

My biggest complaint is the execution of the climatic double crossing... it lacked suspense for me... it was obvious what Woody... err I mean Tobias was going to do.

The humour worked for me, Lando worked for me, Alden worked mostly.. I thought the music was a little weak but it might grow on me with another viewing.

Given it's turbulent creation I think it's a great effort and the fan service elements are the real win for deep fans. Plenty of EU references, plenty of canon tie-ins. I think Maul returning will confuse the crap out of a lot of casual fans.

Gotta love Chewie.
 
It's a nice action movie. Doesn't add much, if anything, to the lore, but it doesn't ruin anyone or anything. TCW fans will not be surprised by the connection between certain crime lords, but movie goers (only) might be a bit confused.
 
Not surprising considering the box office return on Solo, even though Solo was a very enjoyable film.
 
That is what the optics look like with this decision. I do not get it either. I enjoyed Rogue One and Solo much more than Episode VII and VIII. I was incredibly excited for Episode VII, less so for VIII, and currently not particularly excited for IX.
 
Not surprising considering the box office return on Solo, even though Solo was a very enjoyable film.

I think it's a shame if the Star Wars universe is restricted simply to the kind of films that target >$1.5bn. Kinda restricts the storytelling just to mainstream audience pleasers, rather than genuine, rich, universe builders.
 
Tbh I’d be happy if they stopped making them all together. Force Awakens (crap name aside) gave me a lot of hope and it’s just been disappointment since then. The Last Jedi was not only bad film, but was almost as bad as Episode 2, and I didn’t think that was possible.
 
A new Star Wars film used to be an occasion to savour. The anticipation, the countdown, the wait, just used to fuel it all. If you’re getting new films every six months or so and other canon material, TV series, comics, novels etc even more frequently, you lose all that anticipation. You end up getting all Star Warsed out.

I’ve always been a release-weekend SW film watcher, but I’ve not even seen Solo yet. Not because I don’t want to. Far from it. I just don’t feel the urgency. It will no doubt be out on Blu-ray/digital in a couple of months anyway. Disney look to be wanting a return on their investment as quick as they can.
 
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