Stega's Mega Cockpit of Doom!!!

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The Yamaha hasnt a chance in hell of beating that.

Cue the Bass 👍
Give it a go with your BKA amp or the one for the Clarke both should be okay as 4 ohms arnt they?
 
Those mounting arms for the monitors, are they also part of the 8020 kit or is that from another manufacturer?
 
Mr Latte
*snip*

If you do this Steggers, Im going to have to swim the whole Alantic just to come and slap you with something wet and smelly.
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Are you gay or do I misinterpreted this? :scared:


Hehe, lol


:p
 
Haa well when you phrase it like that but err no the wet and smelly thing was from the ocean...

Stega,
This sickens me, you show a link with a Crown amplifer thats reduced to $149 while in the UK its £200 which is pretty much twice the price, grrrrrr.
Same with the Behringer and others, prices in UK suck in comparison. Like the look of that 500 model but check for reviews etc.
Yes these ones on the page linked would do nicely ..

Now If only youd of bought one of these "stereo" amps for the Clarke it would of ran the Clarke and the Sub, that Clarke amp was only mono was it?
 
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Mr Latte
Haa well when you phrase it like that but err no the wet and smelly thing was from the ocean...

Stega,
This sickens me, you show a link with a Crown amplifer thats reduced to $149 while in the UK its £200 which is pretty much twice the price, grrrrrr.
Same with the Behringer and others, prices in UK suck in comparison. Like the look of that 500 model but check for reviews etc.
Yes these ones on the page linked would do nicely ..

Now If only youd of bought one of these "stereo" amps for the Clarke it would of ran the Clarke and the Sub, that Clarke amp was only mono was it?
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I didn't take it that way lol.

Yhea I know it was a monoblock! but not nearly enough power for this. I may try to switch the Clark to the new amp and see how that works.

Now if I get an amp with more power than I need I just need to be careful w/ the gain control??
 
Ok lets entertain an idea here, I am by no means going to do this but lets just talk about it a bit. IF I were to add motion to my cockpit...
What would be my best option within reason nothing crazy like 6k+

I know they have Frex Simcon Motion, and D-box Both for less than 4k

I know that the Frex actuators can be somewhat loud... and this is a turnoff for me and I do not normally wear headphones.

I do not know much about what Dbox has to offer. But from the videos I have seen they seem quiet. The srp 120 looks nice if they still make it.

What else is around that is in that same range??
 
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Maybe someone already mentioned it but take a look at this site Here.

If you are smart enough and likes to make things of your own, the x-sim site is a perfect place for you.

But remember that a motion seat or platform is only possible for pc at the moment. So if you don't want to spend too much money on a motion thing and you mostly play on console, a motion thing a waste of money (effort to build one).

There are two types of motion platforms/seats.


  1. motion seats like Blue Tiger or the Simbol
  2. Frex and the D-box
The first options tries to emulate G-forces and the second options concentrates on realistic movements of the car.
It's up to you what you prefer.

There are also motion platforms that you can order online.



http://www.motionforsimulators.com/index.php


http://www.vanhese.de/




http://motionsimulation.com/news.htm




http://www.force-dynamics.com/company/


www.motion-sim.com


www.extrememotionsimulation.com


http://www.prsco.com/rotopod.html# http://www.kingstonsystems.com/


http://web.vtc.edu/ELM/Projects/2004-2005/FlightSimulator/index.html
 
So I spoke to a D-Box rep extensively today about some of their products. And they have a distributor that is within 10 miles of me that I am going to visit right now to check some of their stuff out.

From what I can see and our conversations this may be what I am looking for. It's quiet, well built, has good support, price is competitive, possible future compatibility with consoles, and can be used for movies too.

The most important features to me are:
-Noise from actuators
-Comfort
-Realism
-Extended playability
 
yeah motion sim would only attract me if consoles would be included. (I also play sims on pc, but they are not worth spending that amount of money because all this games are old)
I know that dbox talks about it since months, but still nothing concrete.
The Dbox would really be the ideal for me too.

I hope for more news about this when gt hits the shelves. Otherwise we need to push fanatec to build one :)
 
*ibo* S3 Racer
yeah motion sim would only attract me if consoles would be included. (I also play sims on pc, but they are not worth spending that amount of money because all this games are old)
I know that dbox talks about it since months, but still nothing concrete.
The Dbox would really be the ideal for me too.

I hope for more news about this when gt hits the shelves. Otherwise we need to push fanatec to build one :)
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Really?


I think you need to update yourself!

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Arca -> 2007
arca 2 ->2008
Dirt 1/2 -> really fun but no sim, but it so cool it falls into yes
grid -> no sim, and i don't like that game
GTR evo/race07/ race on/ stcc -> really good sims, but all the games are the same, and the engine has only evoluted slightly in what 5 years. I have great hopes for the new GTR game though
Iracing -> Ok due to frequent updates, but suscription based...
LFS -> 2003
NFS -> Since when is NFS a sim. Shift is a joke with the hillarious rubberband effect
Nitro Stunt racing -> no racing sim ->2006
Rfactor ->2005
TC2000 racing ->NEW ->need to look into that game
Top Race -> not found and not known by me
Truck racing -> Trucks ? sry no
X-Motor racing -> 2010 NEW -> need to try but is an indie game
Virtal GP3 -> 2008/09 ? Ok but only gp cars which is ok but not ideal for me

Sure we miss more sim games on PC but what bugs me is that they are kept so low spec so that everybody can run the games.
But we easily shell out 300€ for a wheel, so they can expect us to shell out more for a pc. So they should move on and create game where the minimum is not for a 128mb card, 1bg ram, xp, 1.4 ghz...
Sure i want realistic physics over everything else, but i don't wanna play games which look so 2005 (case of sim bin games). For me the reference for all this games would be the graphics of TDU. And I miss cars in sim games. When a GT thows out 100 cars, Forza 3 300 cars, they should be able to at least give us 100 different cars (not different livery)
lucky pc owners. We still have a great modding scene, which is a needle in the eyes of big publishers.

On nov.2nd my expections wil raise again.

I really have hope that with TDU2, Rfactor2 and the new GTR we will finally get some great Hd games on pc

Or maybe I'm just a spoiled bread with the standards of GT (which in fact should be the aiming point for others). And as long as the greatest driving game is not supported i'm hard to convience.
 
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you said 'old games' and now you're categorizing some of the games as 'no sim'. Tsj, Tsj.

Don't say 'game' to a 'sim' because some hardcore simmers would be mad at you. :p

LFS and rFactor are still played and updated with mods. So, these games are not old, they're still very, mmm, hot.

NFS Porsche unleashed, 1nsane, TOCA, GPL, first Colin rally games, etc ... are old games. If the games were old like you said, D-box wouldn't even consider creating codes for it.

That some of these games aren't interested enough for you personally is a valid reason for not buying a D-Box, and I somewhat agree with that point of view. But saying that the games are too old and therefore not buying a D-box is IMHO not correct.

I also agree with you that the D-Box or whatever motion platform/seat has to be compatible with consoles as well, not only PC, especially GT5, 6, 7, 8 and so one.
 
Really nice with the triple screen setup!! Looking forward to see the 'cleaned' look 👍 And the motion thing too. That D-box sounds reasonable...
 
Yes i should have said IMO.
But i get your point, you're getting mine; that's a beginning.👍
I'm sure some people still have fun with "old" games. But i am a graphic ho', and GT spoils me...


[tease]Sims are games, the real deal happens on the blacktop [tease/] (kidding otherwise the army whould not let the soldiers "play") hope it's too little to read:nervous::scared:
 
*ibo* S3 Racer
[tease]Sims are games, the real deal happens on the blacktop [tease/] (kidding otherwise the army whould not let the soldiers "play") hope it's too little to read:nervous::scared:
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Between you and me, hence me whispering, sims are games, I agree. iRacing, netKar Pro are sims, so IMO, games. Don't tell that to hardcore simmers. They will :ouch: us.

I'm just like you, a graphics nut. Simulation physics and graphics are for me the most important parts of a game.


stega, have you returned from D-box? I want to know what you think of the D-box.
 
kikie
Between you and me, hence me whispering, sims are games, I agree. iRacing, netKar Pro are sims, so IMO, games. Don't tell that to hardcore simmers. They will :ouch: us.

I'm just like you, a graphics nut. Simulation physics and graphics are for me the most important parts of a game.


stega, have you returned from D-box? I want to know what you think of the D-box.
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After having tried several D-box units at the showroom last night here are some thoughts:

I have tried several motion actuators/platforms in the past.
I used Aaron from sim-sport.net's 2 axis DIY actuator job using x-sim.
And I have been on a few Motion Platforms here and there in arcades and such.

The biggest thing for me was, did it feel real/good and was it quiet, and the d-box provides both of these. I also really like that D-box is a larger company than most of these motion tech companies and they have full support for movies, and games. And D-box is the only company I see in the near future that could possibly sign a contract w/ Sony and MS for consoles.

3 axis is amazing. 2 axis is also very very nice and will probably be all I would do / can afford within reason. The price jump is dramatic to have real heave w/ 3 axis vs virtual heave w/ 2. Also the fact that the Electo-Actuators can vibrate and move at the same time to provide movement and vibration is very cool or you can turn vibration down or movement down to get the stronger effect for the other.

More to come, I am actively negotiating to see if I can get a deal right now. And going back to the showroom Saturday for a bit more time with them.
 
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Just some general thoughts as I considered motion a long time ago.
As an entertainment enchancement it for me had too many downsides.

Would agree with your thoughts that they (D-Box) seem to be very professional. I like how its is quieter and movies have the code already embedded on the discs, but whos going to watch a movie in a sim cockpit and at the same time you cant really make a sim cockpit from a recliner movie seat. So for me such a purchase is likely to get used for movies or sim not both kinda hurting its value for the pricepoints.

The concern I have is the support for titles, not a full list but titles I know are games Im going to be playing and I mean really playing for an extended period.

If D-Box had exclusive compatibility with GT5 and was in around the £2000, but they are much more expensive arnt they? Then well I could justify about that amount of money spent on such just like that kind of money would be needed for a nice sized 3DTV. However like 3D and maybe having an interest in experiencing the technology how keen would I be on playing a game using it for a 2-3hr session? Does it become uncomfortable or annoying once you get used to it and the excitment of using eventually wears off?

Tough decision but if you feel your going to get enjoyment out of it and enough to warrent its price then go for it, certainly would make a great sim cockpit.
 
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Hoooo, nice job stega.
that's not how i would expected the home solution to perform.
The vibration thing is really cool.
If you could tell us the retail prices for the pro series that would be nice, they don't show them on the site (surly for a reason)
the quite part is always good. not so much a deal (just turn up the amp) for me but for the neighbors.
Excited about the more to come. Hope you can unlock them some information about futur console compatibility.

Mister latte (ask a geman what that would mean ;) )
Gt5 support would be a seller for me too.
The home solution is 3900 USD, but you can only get the platform with actuators (saw it on a belgium sim shop)
As for you're 3d : i talked with people playing with nvision and the more time you spent on it the more confortable you seem to be with it. Maybe your eyemuscles will grow stronger? :D
I was thinking about getting a 3d, but i'm not sure to buy in in the first models, they all seem to have some downsides in 3d (Sony had the less in a test i read) and there still seems to be a bit of confusion in the market. But if dbox announces tomorrow to support Gt5, i will defenitifly turn to the dbox.
 
Well been quiet around the cockpit forums lately.

I know youve been busy but still waiting to hear more about these Clarke Transducers and how they fair or are different.

Differences in, power, feeling, response?
Also did you get the Sub sorted?
 
Mr Latte
Well been quiet around the cockpit forums lately.

I know youve been busy but still waiting to hear more about these Clarke Transducers and how they fair or are different.

Differences in, power, feeling, response?
Also did you get the Sub sorted?
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I have been a bit busy with work sorry...

So the Clark TT's... The Clark has a different feeling than the buttkicker. To me it is not necessarily better or worse it is just different. It is hard for me to describe so I will make a video later so you can hear/see the difference for yourself if I turn it all the way up you can get somewhat of an idea of the difference between the two. It is much more of a straight through your body type of vibration than the buttkicker, like if I get a girl over and she sits on it.... I think you get the point. I got their most powerful model the 429 and I am powering it fully and it was not nearly as powerful as I had imagined, this is not a negative thing it is just not as powerful as I thought, I suppose it is because it gives off a different feeling than the BK units that this was the case.


I also got my sub working behind me and I am loving it. I have much much more bass now with my 3 subs (2 yamaha and 1 JL audio) and it really adds to the whole experience. When I hit a wall you can feel it in the whole room lol... Feels like your getting hit in the chest.

Did you talk about GT5 and if it is going to be compatible with the D-Box?
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I did not go into GT5 specifically but they said they are in talks with the major console makers, PS3 and XBOX360..
 
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Thanks for the update mucker...
Oh and glad your finding the audible bass deffo adds to the whole experience, see I wasnt talking crap after all eh, hee hee...
So whatasyour thoughts on where or how your going to combine the Clarke and the BK units?
Would the Clarke be better at the pedals if its more sensative but less of a whallop?
Your thoughts?


I have the 2x 209 models delivered to a friends address in Newark.
Although I wont get them till Sept when somebody visits him and brings them back.
Still thats a lot cheaper than paying UK prices.
Got My BKA 300 this way as well saving approx £200

Also Ive been conned by some smart alec on ebay regards the 15" sub so its pending an outcome.
Scunnered and may even decide to just stick with the 2x 12" ers.
 
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