Stega's Mega Cockpit of Doom!!!

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It is slant-able... Also my seat is like all the way forward in that pic, it easily slides back with the 8020 "sliders" on the rails...

Nick are you sure it's off center?? I just played around with it a bit and now it looks to be balanced. I did not have everything tightened. I just took a new pic... Still w/ my ****** mac book cam tho ;(
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Yes, it looks narrower at the back of the rig than the front, and narrower at the top of the steering posts than at the bottom. Maybe it's just my vantage point looking at the pics. Just make sure everything is exactly square.

You can do this: measure the exact distance between the top of the steering posts and the bottom. They should be the exact same. Measure the distance between the main rails at the back of the rig, behind the seat, and then between the rails behind where the pedals will go. Should be the same.
 
I got you on the MDF nick. I think w/ some fiddling I can get it completely balanced. The side-mounts have room to move a bit.
I will get back to ya about the straightness I need to mess with it a bit..

Ok now I have 19'' all around :) 16'' inside! yay!
 
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Ok steven, sounds good. I was thinking the side mount slots should give you a little room to fine tune it.

Keep up the good work!
 
Excellent start.

Have to say I considered this stuff once as it really is so versatile and has so many options available. Not only that but seems real easy to get it up and going. Just wanted a different look in the end.

What way does the seat move on the tracks and how to lock it in position?
I take it those black square things?
 
Excellent start.

Have to say I considered this stuff once as it really is so versatile and has so many options available. Not only that but seems real easy to get it up and going. Just wanted a different look in the end.

What way does the seat move on the tracks and how to lock it in position?
I take it those black square things?

Those are linear bearings. There are two low friction pads that are secured to the little rails attached to the bottom of the seat side mounts. I found some tricked out t-nuts that would attach the pads to the rails. Then, there is a clamp that attaches to one rail with standard 8020 t-nuts and the other rail with another bearing pad and adjustment knob and tee nut. You loosen the knob on each clamp and the seat glides along the rails, and then you tighten the knobs and lock it into position.

If you go to 8020.net and look at the linear bearing section you will see how they work.
 
Ok I finally was able to get the cockpit in a playable state using what parts I have until my next shipment comes in Wednesday. So far I <3 this stuff its so sick.👍

I really need to get some split tube... anyone know a good place to order some??

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The force is strong with this one! 👍

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Stega, the bolts for what you were asking recently I believe are the same as the ones used on the CSP pedals mate.
 
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Have you quit buliding? how is the Clark Transducer? Actually I think you finally sat in the chair for a few laps and are completely enjoying it!👍 I checked out the 8020.net, I think I may order some material to make a rigid mount for my pedals instead of using my current setup. I wanted to upgrade my cockpit to an Obutto or Playseat, but I find my chair a tad to comfortable. I just upgraded my internet to Cable and went with a 12Mbps connection with upto 20Mbps boost. I upgraded since I already have two PS3's online and soon a 3rd after I replace the Blu-Ray Drive on top of a Wii, Mac, and a Samsung laptop.
 
Have you quit buliding? how is the Clark Transducer? Actually I think you finally sat in the chair for a few laps and are completely enjoying it!👍 I checked out the 8020.net, I think I may order some material to make a rigid mount for my pedals instead of using my current setup. I wanted to upgrade my cockpit to an Obutto or Playseat, but I find my chair a tad to comfortable. I just upgraded my internet to Cable and went with a 12Mbps connection with upto 20Mbps boost. I upgraded since I already have two PS3's online and soon a 3rd after I replace the Blu-Ray Drive on top of a Wii, Mac, and a Samsung laptop.

I am mostly finished. All there is left is to build the triple screen mount. But you are correct I have finally got a chance to sit down in a 100% functional cockpit and am loving it!!! I will make a little video with an update of the cockpit and all that good stuff ;)
And the Clark TT is great too adds a whole different tactile sensation from the BK units more to come in my next vid.

If you like your seat I would try and build a cockpit around that. My seat being uncomfortable in my Obutto was the main reason for me ordering a new seat (my back).
 
Are the 80/20 profiles expensive? I've always been interested in these profiles but I can't find them anyware here in Belgium. Oredering online is out to the question for me personally.
 
So I have been calling around to local electronics shops looking for some deals on a triple monitor setup. I have a local Brandsmart ready to sell me 3 25'' Samsung P2570HD for $200 + tax but that is only if I buy 3, I had to ask 3 times as I could not believe the price. This is really an amazing deal I think, and although they are not LED LCD's and the bezels are not the smallest I think I will be making the purchase. For around $700 I just can't beat that anywhere else, and I will be able to purchase extended warranty if I choose to do so.


What do people think about that should I go for it??
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001335
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I have a Samsung SyncMaster P2470HD and I like it, so I see no problems there.. 👍
 
So I have been calling around to local electronics shops looking for some deals on a triple monitor setup. I have a local Brandsmart ready to sell me 3 25'' Samsung P2570HD for $200 + tax but that is only if I buy 3, I had to ask 3 times as I could not believe the price. This is really an amazing deal I think, and although they are not LED LCD's and the bezels are not the smallest I think I will be making the purchase. For around $700 I just can't beat that anywhere else, and I will be able to purchase extended warranty if I choose to do so.


What do people think about that should I go for it??
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001335
It has a build in tuner.
 
So I have been calling around to local electronics shops looking for some deals on a triple monitor setup. I have a local Brandsmart ready to sell me 3 25'' Samsung P2570HD for $200 + tax but that is only if I buy 3, I had to ask 3 times as I could not believe the price. This is really an amazing deal I think, and although they are not LED LCD's and the bezels are not the smallest I think I will be making the purchase. For around $700 I just can't beat that anywhere else, and I will be able to purchase extended warranty if I choose to do so.


What do people think about that should I go for it??
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001335
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Good choice thats what I have in one of my RIGG's and it works really well even with my old PS2. Although I paid $279 minus a $30 rebate at Costco. You got a good deal. I will need 15 more of those when GT5 comes out. :)

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Anyways I did go out and grab all 3 for around $700 total. I have them setup temporarily with a ghetto rigged stand until some more 80/20 stuff for the monitor stand Tuesday. I will take a picture to show you guys. But so far I really like the 3 screen experience (obviously).
 
Amazing price Stega as that model in the UK is about £300 each.
Turning into a great rig this, your going to love triple screens I bet.

Also good to hear you got the "Ultra Bass Pro" If your having any issues setting it up give me a PM. Ive been impressed with what they can add both in control and performance. Be interested to hear your thoughts using the Bass Pro with the Clarke or Buttkicker to find out if either one of them benifits more from what it adds.

Ive purchased my second "UB Pro" on ebay tonight because of changing my subwoofer plans. Like yourself Im upgrading a few things, it seems this d.i.y cockpit capers to an extent is like "the more you get" the "more it leads to still wanting more again". Having originally planned to go with dual 12" subs at the back of my own cockpit but due to additional recent testing Im now going with placing a 12" sub at each side of my seat and a newly purchased SONY XPLOD XS-L156P5 15" sub centred at the back of the seat. My own personal goal is to utilise audio in a way Ive not seen done on a cockpit before and so far the results are pretty awesome but a hobbyist experiment at the same time.

Have you considered looking into adding audible bass in the form of subwoofers to your cockpit to work along with the tactile bass as well or am I the only crazy one going a bit bonkers in using audible bass with both Clarke and Buttkicker tactile units to really enchance immersion?
 
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Amazing price Stega as that model in the UK is about £300 each.
Turning into a great rig this, your going to love triple screens I bet.

Also good to hear you got the "Ultra Bass Pro" If your having any issues setting it up give me a PM. Ive been impressed with what they can add both in control and performance. Be interested to hear your thoughts using the Bass Pro with the Clarke or Buttkicker to find out if either one of them benifits more from what it adds.

Ive purchased my second "UB Pro" on ebay tonight because of changing my subwoofer plans. Like yourself Im upgrading a few things, it seems this d.i.y cockpit capers to an extent is like "the more you get" the "more it leads to still wanting more again". Having originally planned to go with dual 12" subs at the back of my own cockpit but due to additional recent testing Im now going with placing a 12" sub at each side of my seat and a newly purchased SONY XPLOD XS-L156P5 15" sub centred at the back of the seat. My own personal goal is to utilise audio in a way Ive not seen done on a cockpit before and so far the results are pretty awesome but a hobbyist experiment at the same time.

Have you considered looking into adding audible bass in the form of subwoofers to your cockpit to work along with the tactile bass as well or am I the only crazy one going a bit bonkers in using audible bass with both Clarke and Buttkicker tactile units to really enchance immersion?

I am really having a hard time imagining/picturing how all that audible bass would sound. I currently play in a somewhat small room with the door shut 15x12 and the bass from 1 Yamaha Down firing sub seems like plenty, but I could be very wrong and there may be a lot of room to improve immersion. I wish I could come over and check it out real quick lol...

As for the ultrabass I have set it to some very basic settings that seem to work well but have not really played with it much at all other than that. I really need to get a friend over and have someone sit in the cockpit while someone plays with the ultra-bass to see what settings work best. If you have some advice for the settings I am all ears.

My equalizer has recently (this weekend) bit the dust. So I just placed an order for Behringer Ultracurve Pro to replace it which can function as an EQ as well as preform other duties.
Disregard the list price it is way off...
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This unit should be a great addition to my setup. Being digital it has the ability to save to memory up to 64 different presets. This should allow me to find the best settings for each game and easily switch between them.

And the screens... I am very pleased with the triple screen experience lets just say that. But I really need to mount them properly.
 
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I looked at the Ultracurve as well, its a high end EQ for sure.
Decided against it because I felt the previous equaliser I bought although it allowed me to mess with the audio, that wasnt what I really needed as it didnt give enough control of the lowest bass frequencies. Besides when running from the LFE ive got my Cutt Off at 120Hz. Thats why I opted for the "Behringer Bass Pro" as it specialises with low end sub harmonics which it achieves very well.

How are you intending to use the "Ultracurve" in your system, which surely is designed more with subs/speakers in mind outputting various frequencies and not really LFE levels for your transducers and not speakers as such? Also curious as to how you will you use it along with the "Pro Bass"? You got me a bit confused here what your ideas are....

My own reason for additional subs was because testing I have been doing felt better with the dual 12" units at each side of the seat than actually at the back. Their is a nice resonance feeling from them which flows into the seat. It isnt as hard hitting as a Buttkicker which work better with low end frequencies, yet together a great combination. I opted for a single larger sub at the back that will be directly behind the seat because this should really now then also give great resonance sensation up the back of the chair into the players spine and back regions.

With previous testing Im trying to avoid just one area having an overly strong bass sensation. I dislike this and found it an issue issue with using a single Buttkicker device on high volume. Most people with experience of transducers or indeed subwoofers would agree that set too high they can become annoying detracting rather than adding to the experience. In theory having 3 subwoofers running at 1/3rd volume will give a smoother and wider spread of bass without the annoyance of one unit pushed to its limits. Then adding in the Buttkicker to provide the very low end punch.

Of course my plan is that the subs and transducers can be controlled with different amplification and settings from the 2x Pro Bass units. This way they can be both optomised to work with different bass freqencues. So far I find the Buttkicker is best with just the real low end bass and rely on the subwoofers for a higher range of bass, besides feeling good in actual audio bass terms its really impressive without even needing to be at a loud volume. I see having this control in both audible bass units with tactile units as major benifit to what my own cockpit will achieve in immersion.

Your amplification for the Buttkickers etc is 4ohms.
I put it too you to consider testing a 12" car subwoofer and run it from your current amps, return it for a refund if your not impressed :)

Heres 1x 12" at work with some crappy C64 Midi music streaming from Youtube.
The effect is noticable with the bottle and the volume isnt very high....

 
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How are you intending to use the "Ultracurve" in your system, which surely is designed more with subs/speakers in mind outputting various frequencies and not really LFE levels for your transducers and not speakers as such? Also curious as to how you will you use it along with the "Pro Bass"? You got me a bit confused here what your ideas are....

Well I have been using my current Equalizer that is now broken to have better power/control over the transducers while maintaining the other audio levels of my system. It has allowed me to give the transducers a lot more power while keeping the transducers far from their peak levels. So I can run them at a lower volume but much more power. At least that seems to be how it works.

Are you going to box those car subs??? I would consider placing a 12'' sub behind me... I would have to look into it more.
I am actually getting myself a new car and I have a single JL audio W7 12'' in a ported box in my car right now I could take that inside and give it a go... worthwhile??
 
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Okay yes using the EQ I get that for boosting Freq but how or why use an EQ and a "Bass Pro" thats what I dont get mate. The Bass Pro is awesome
and why I got a 2nd one to have the same control but at different settings between the subs and tactile bass units.

The subs, yes they will be contained mucker. I have them back at the store just early testing in videos...
The vibrations from the bottom of the sub in contact with the shelf really travels through into the seat. Not sure if it will travel the same when its self contained in a bass box.

Give it a go with your car sub then, experiment. 👍
 
Okay yes using the EQ I get that for boosting Freq but how or why use an EQ and a "Bass Pro" thats what I dont get mate. The Bass Pro is awesome
and why I got a 2nd one to have the same control but at different settings between the subs and tactile bass units.

The subs, yes they will be contained mucker. I have them back at the store just early testing in videos...
The vibrations from the bottom of the sub in contact with the shelf really travels through into the seat. Not sure if it will travel the same when its self contained in a bass box.

Give it a go with your car sub then, experiment. 👍

After some testing with and w/o my old EQ, it was quite clear I could get much more power from the TT's when I used the EQ in conjunction with the Ultrabass; the Ultrabass by itself could not produce the same result.
 
Interesting regards the TTs you found that, with the subwoofers Ive tested the Pro Bass gives more than whats needed if anything I have to run it below the max settings. Thats with my LFE at max output and 120Hz crossover.

Your boosting the LFE with a Probass then boosting it again with an EQ, strange that you need both for the TTs but if it works I say go for it.
Maybe its just down to our different amplifers etc.
 
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Center, left and right view and 12 rear view mirror monitors? :scared:

Nope 16 RIGG cockpits LAN racing all together in one place with GT5 and a bunch of crazy guys. SFGTPlanet LAN Party group.:)
 
Interesting regards the TTs you found that, with the subwoofers Ive tested the Pro Bass gives more than whats needed if anything I have to run it below the max settings. Thats with my LFE at max output and 120Hz crossover.

Your boosting the LFE with a Probass then boosting it again with an EQ, strange that you need both for the TTs but if it works I say go for it.
Maybe its just down to our different amplifers etc.

When I first got the ultrabass I figured it would replace the EQ I was using. But it soon became apparent that I was missing some power that I had before I switched over. I then ran my LFE signal through the EQ to the ultrabass then to the TT's and the desired effect was acchived so I am not sure exactly why... But yhea

Would you mind telling me your basic settings you are using on the Ultrabass??
 
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Latte why car subs over home audio subs?

So because I have the identical sound setup in my living room (ysp400 w/ down firing sub) I grabbed the other sub and put it directly behind me, wow what a difference I have not been hearing enough audible bass it seems. I am not sure if I will keep this sub here and just buy another for the living room Or I am thinking of purchasing something a bit larger.

This is what I am using 2 of for the test:
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I also have one of these in my car that my lease is up on and I need to remove it, so I could possibly try and use this also bit it is in a ported box:
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Stega,

Car subs over hifi or AV subs for two reasons my friend.
Mainly price, they can be really affordable and they can go really low on bass giving crazy amounts of raw bass power.

Hifi or AV related subs, may indeed be more refined or tuned but your Yamaha is perhaps a mid range model in "AV subwoofer terms".
Ive had 3 Yamaha AV subwoofers in my time so while decent they arnt anything like what you could achieve with car subwoofers in sheer bass response.
Youd have to spend many times more to get a similar strength of bass output and have a massive huge box in Home Cinema Subwoofers.

I would expect you indeed to get much more bass from your car sub and using it briefly running via the BKA 300 amplifer. (Disconnecting the Buttkicker of course)

Hope you find all this time Ive been going on about using audible bass and tactile together is warrented.
This experimentation in what we are doing here is something Ive not seen other cockpits try to do in using audio to a new level for immersion purposes.
Mainly as its quite expensive and seen as overkill.

Your coming a long way from having just a Buttkicker gamer or like some readers here usaing a Logitech subwoofer which no offense to those that do in comparison is a toy to what we may be able to achieve here. Getting serious amounts of very low controlled bass, thats the factor its controlled to give the desired effect and not out of control being over powering.

What I need you to tell me is does a subwoofer resonance feel similar to the Clarke TTs using a much wider range of bass frequencies? Ive still not got my head around how the Clarke units differ over a Buttkicker and have to wait to August to the ones I have ordered will arrive.

Together Id like if you feel this is the direction you want to go is getting

Audible Subwoofer
Clarke Tactile
Buttkicker Tactile

Working in harmony but controlled and amplified indpendently if needed.
Additionally I want to experiment in getting the CSP to work using tactile but from the wheels brake vibration setting and not just using audio input for the pedals.

For me a subwoofer is a must as it just compliments the tactile bass, because you then not only feel it but hear it which is the key for improving the total immersion we can get from an audio perspective.
Now combine all that with decent 5.1 or 7.1 and triple screens and your going to have one heck of a simulator experience with great comfort too in the seat you have.

My Settings On Ultra Bass Pro

Freq 120HZ
Punch 5
Ultra Low On
Ultra Punch Bass = 3pm
Bass = 4

70Hz Crosover Switch = Off
Ultrabass = In
Satellite = -30

My Yamaha Amp at home is set to 120HZ Crossover and at +10
 
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And a quick peek at the screens setup somewhat properly. I will get some shots of the entire cockpit after I clean the room up a bit tonight.
These shots were taken at some weird angles.
The 7'' touchscreen is used as a music player...

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