Stop fishtailing you SOB!

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I have this problem with a lot of my cars. I don't know if it is because I suck at real wheel drive or if my tunings need help or both. My cars seem to fish tail with no chance of recovery once it starts.

It usually begins coming out of a corner. If i even move the throttle up slightly, the car suddenly has a ton of oversteer and continues turning rapidly. I then let off the throttle and counter steer, and the fishtailing ensues. I can brake, counter steer, or anything else and it is inevitable that the car will eventaully wreck before regaining control.

Can someone take a look at my tune and see if I made some grevious error? Also, are there any driving tips on what to do with the controller to stop this from happening?

My current car is the Toyota 7 racing Deep Forest.
Aero: 60/85
Speed: 193
LSD: 25/55/20
Height: -20, -20
Spring: 14.8/15.8
Extension: 8/8
Compression: 8/8
Roll Bars: 6/6
Camber: 1./0.5
Toe: 0/0.20
Brakes: 7/6
Tires: Racing Soft
 
Do you have any power upgrades? If so, detune your car to stock hp if you can. You don't need that much power on deep forest esp with a car that weights 670kg. Well, what you are experiencing is kind of typical on MR setup, the only driving advice I can share is throttle control, if you oversteer don't let off the gas completely, you need to apply some power but don't WOT (wide open throttle). Letting off the gas completely will worsen your oversteer since you upset the traction on the rears tires, which if you are counter steering already is probably going to result in snap oversteer (where you car swings back the way you are pointing your front wheels very sharply).

As for setting, try something like this:

Aero: 60/85 (whatever max down force for this car is)
Speed: 193 (you might try to make this higher, depends on what rpm you are existing the corners at)
LSD: 17/29/10-15
Height: -8, -12
Spring: 14.8/11.8
Extension: 6/4 (edited)
Compression: 8/8 (edited)
Roll Bars: 3/2
Camber: 1.2/2.5
Toe: 0.05/0.10
Brakes: 5/2
Tires: Racing Soft

As for setting, I'm just guessing depending on what you are saying but those settings will give more understeer, which counters oversteer.

More importantly than that, you just need to be careful on throttle, the best tunes in the world isnt going to tame a MR car with over 500hp.
 
I can barely get my cars to fish tail at all. I will need to see if I change my tune setup to his if I can force it to fish tail more often.
 
Hazarding a guess I'd say it's a combination of your 'handiwork' on the controller and over firm suspension.

Having your suspension maxed out on firmness (roll bars, compression, extension are all maxed out) means it is very hard for the tyres to follow the contours of the road surface, meaning they can't maintain traction. Back off everything, no in fact put it all back to default and go drive the car again. If you find that it has improved things SLOWLY start making SINGLE adjustments to your suspension. Note to see if it improves your lap times or reduces them.

As far as advice for using the controller. Be smooth with your inputs, steering/braking/throttle, as much as you can be. Gradually apply the throttle as you reduce your steering input out of a turn. Of course you want to be putting as much power down as you can, but if that results in excessive wheelspin then you will only end up going slower. Also, correcting a 'fishtail' slide requires that you be ahead of the slide. IE you need to have already dialled in the correct amount of oversteer ahead of time to pull the car back into line.
 
Also, pro tip. If you let off the gas all the way, it just makes things worse. All your weight moves off the rear wheels to the front and you lose traction in the rear and gain even more traction in the front. feathering off the gas slightly would be more recommended.
 
Since you say you have the problem with a lot of your cars, I am going to assume that the settings on the car is not the main issue in most cases.

I see two options:
1. Increase TCS
2. (my preferred option, and I assume the one you will favour given that you have gone to the trouble of fiddling with car settings) - Be very gentle on the throttle mid-late corner and not give it everything until the car is perfectly straight. I have mapped the throttle/brake to R2/L2 to give more control. I have a feeling my lines are probably a little different to some wheel users too - I am more likely to have a later apex to get the car straight earlier in the corner.

Aside from that - practice, practice, practice. And have fun doing it...
 
Barra333
Since you say you have the problem with a lot of your cars, I am going to assume that the settings on the car is not the main issue in most cases.

I see two options:
1. Increase TCS
2. (my preferred option, and I assume the one you will favour given that you have gone to the trouble of fiddling with car settings) - Be very gentle on the throttle mid-late corner and not give it everything until the car is perfectly straight. I have mapped the throttle/brake to R2/L2 to give more control. I have a feeling my lines are probably a little different to some wheel users too - I am more likely to have a later apex to get the car straight earlier in the corner.

Aside from that - practice, practice, practice. And have fun doing it...
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2) is definitely better. I was playing around with TCS on the Camaro SS at Daytona Road Course. I've noticed in the game that TCS really will not bail you out if the car gets sideways unless you dial it way, way up (to like 7+), but it will slow you way, way down. I wish there was a "race" TCS system you could buy, but that would make the game way too easy, I think, even if it is kind of realistic.
 
Do i need to let you borrow a ruf yellowbird so you can understand the concept of oversteer? Off throttle, on throtle, brake , turn in, heck i got oversteer on a straight.
 
All about throttle control...And don’t go anywhere near those brakes or ease off when it starts sliding, you’ll make things worse. And it could also be with how you are exiting the corner as well...
Slow is smooth, smooth is fast....work on half/quarter throttle through the corner....exit ramp up to half/three quarters...when the car is pointing straight, mash that throttle...But make sure it’s in a gear that won’t break traction.
 
First rule, never attempt to mess with tune settings until you first drive the car and figure out it's nuances and whether you like it's handling or not. One thing to remember is that your driving style is usually the ultimate factor, know the type of car you are attempting to drive. MR quick, but tend to be loose in corners, FR poised, but can sway to oversteer with higher powered cars, FF prone to understeer(not great for racing) and AWD this one varies as it can be as understeery as an FF or oversteer happy like FR and MR, tuned right it can be a real powerhouse as it allows you to get on the gas faster than MR and FR cars, but its extra weight becomes it's detriment.

rule two is to never ever max out suspension settings, especially on race cars(they come set handling neutrally). Unless a car comes set a max, you probably will never have to set it at max.

Leave it default, then slowly change one thing at a time. MR cars, that have oversteer the LSD is usually the culprit, the decel is probably too high, thus you are getting lift-off oversteer. Small increments, a little at a time.
 

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