Stop the "Grandpa-Cars" – I filed an official complaint with Sony (Case #50228XXX)

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It's all car culture.
Technically, a shopping cart is part of 'transport culture,' but I don't want to race it in a simulator. There's a difference between automotive passion and corporate marketing. Gran Turismo became famous for the soul of racing and engineering. Replacing icons like Koenigsegg with generic tech-firm SUVs dilutes that culture. If everything is 'car culture,' then the term becomes meaningless. Let's get back to the 'Real' in 'Real Driving Simulator'.

What do you really know about that precisely ?

Yeah sure. But stop anyway. You are arguing for yourself, not talking for everyone.
I know enough to see when a racing franchise is falling behind its competition in terms of content quality. You telling me to 'stop' just shows you're out of arguments. I don't need to speak for everyone to have a valid point—but if you look at the community feedback globally, I'm definitely not alone. I’ve made my point, I’ve contacted Sony, and I’ll stick to my standards. If you're happy with SUVs and missing legends, that's on you. I'm moving on. See you on the track.
 
I'd love to see the "old" Opel GT in the game at least it would be a car that a person could actually afford to buy in real life, I may be a little bias on the Opel thing
The old Opel GT is a beautiful car and I totally get why you want it—that’s the 'soul' of car culture. But that’s exactly my point: we can have the affordable legends like the Opel GT AND the engineering masterpieces like Koenigsegg. It shouldn't be an 'either/or' situation. A great simulator should cover both ends of the spectrum, from the cars we can buy to the ones we can only dream of. Hopefully, Sony starts listening to all of us. Enjoy your Opels, I'll keep pushing for the hypercars. See you on the track!

Bro literally ignoring that the latest update has two of the latest race cars on the grid
I’m not ignoring them, but two cars in one update don't fix the bigger picture. It’s great we got them, but it’s still just a drop in the ocean when icons like Koenigsegg are completely missing for years. We shouldn't be satisfied with 'the bare minimum' while the game is being filled with tech-marketing cars like the Xiaomi. I’m asking for a consistently high standard, not just a few crumbs every few months.
 
You telling me to 'stop' just shows you're out of arguments.
I am telling you to stop saying "we" instead of "I", not stop defending your position.

As for Koenigsegg, I don't have any idea why they are not in game already. If you have better ideas that "I know enough to see..." I am listening.

There are many cars/brands plenty of people have been demanding for years. Are they in game now ? Did it had an impact on PD ?

You contacted Sony ? How did you do ? You think it will reach PD ? I have a lot of complaints to file too, I am interested to know if you've found a way.
 
I am telling you to stop saying "we" instead of "I", not stop defending your position.

As for Koenigsegg, I don't have any idea why they are not in game already. If you have better ideas that "I know enough to see..." I am listening.

There are many cars/brands plenty of people have been demanding for years. Are they in game now ? Did it had an impact on PD ?

You contacted Sony ? How did you do ? You think it will reach PD ? I have a lot of complaints to file too, I am interested to know if you've found a way.
If you want to know how I contacted Sony: I filed a formal consumer complaint through their official support channels regarding the product's content direction. Whether it reaches Yamauchi’s desk tomorrow isn't the point—the point is that if enough people stop 'just accepting it' and start making official noise, things change.
You're asking for my 'ideas' on Koenigsegg? It’s simple: Priority. PD spends months laser-scanning a Xiaomi or an ambulance while competitors secure the Jesko. It's a choice of direction, not a lack of possibility.
And about the 'we' vs 'I'—call it what you want, but look at the likes and the 'Me too' comments across the community. I'm just the one typing it out here. If you have complaints too, stop defending the status quo and start sending them in. Maybe then 'we' actually get somewhere.
 
I'm very confused on what you want :confused: The title is "stop the grandpa cars" but then you put in "iconic german tracks" specifically which makes me think you're only grumpy your favorite content is not in the game. In this case I am as pissed off as you because Anderstorp isn't in the game either lol so let's march to Sony City together :D

Unfortunately 100% that complaint is never going to be seen let alone taken into matter. I think complaints are more for store and server problems

Is this ragebait?
 
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I swear every post you’ve put here always has something along the lines of “Pinnacle of Engineering like Koenigsegg” or “Engineering Masterpieces like Koenigsegg” - are you sure this isn’t a loophole thread to demand Koenigsegg without posting into the wishlist?? Koenigsegg’s are great cars but they aren’t the be-all-and-end-all to make a racing game great, if anything, I think a Daihatsu Midget II D-Type ‘98 would get more use out of it in my opinion due to the nostalgia and being a key defining car in previous releases. In Gran Turismo world, it’s probably more of an “icon” than a Koenigsegg as things stand.
 
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As like most of us (I think/believe) the mighty Demio was our very first car in Gran Turismo.
We all had to start at the bottom and it was good.
I remember the Demio in GT1—starting from the bottom was great because you were working your way up to the legends. But in 2026, the 'top' is missing. We’re getting modern commuters and tech-firm EVs, but where is the reward at the end of the tunnel? Where is Koenigsegg? Starting with a Demio is fun, but staying stuck with everyday traffic while the competition has the world's fastest hypercars is a different story. Nostalgia shouldn't be an excuse for missing modern masterpieces.

I'm very confused on what you want :confused: The title is "stop the grandpa cars" but then you put in "iconic german tracks" specifically which makes me think you're only grumpy your favorite content is not in the game. In this case I am as pissed off as you because Anderstorp isn't in the game either lol so let's march to Sony City together :D

Unfortunately 100% that complaint is never going to be seen let alone taken into matter. I think complaints are more for store and server problems

Is this ragebait?
It’s not ragebait, it’s just frustration with the current direction. My point is: I love the classics (like the old Opels), but I hate that we get 'commuter tech' like the Xiaomi instead of the real missing titans like Koenigsegg or iconic tracks.
If you're pissed about Anderstorp, then we’re actually on the same side! That’s exactly what I mean: whether it's Hockenheim or Anderstorp, or Koenigsegg vs. another SUV – we want racing soul, not just 'filler' content.
And about Sony: Maybe a single complaint won't change the world, but if everyone who is 'pissed off' about missing content actually spoke up instead of just accepting it, they’d eventually have to listen. Let’s march! :D
 
engineering masterpieces
the world's fastest hypercars
Again, you're ignoring the fact that the Xiaomi SU7 Ultra is the fastest ever production, road-legal four-door around the Nurburgring Nordschleife, in the top 15 of all discrete production, road-legal platforms (its Prototype sibling is not road-legal, but considerably faster still), and faster than any recorded Koenigsegg there ever (by about 30 seconds). What makes this achievement anything other than an "engineering masterpiece"?

GT7 also has one representative from most of the cars/platforms that are faster, with one already confirmed to be coming to the game too.

You keep on harking back to the fact that Xiaomi is (also) a mobile phone manufacturer, but this is just branding and not relevant to the car itself.

Additionally you're making the entirely unfounded assumption that the absence of Koenigsegg is a unilateral decision on behalf of Polyphony Digital. This ignores the entire concept and process of video game licensing.

It's a very, very young or naive point of view.

And about the 'we' vs 'I'—call it what you want, but look at the likes and the 'Me too' comments across the community. I'm just the one typing it out here.
And you may speak only for yourself, not the community. You absolutely do not speak for me, and I already showed you the GTPlanet Suggestions forum which has a total of two Koenigseggs in the top 100 (the third is 103rd) of Suggestions over the past decade; you don't speak for us either.


Incidentally, can you consult your Generative AI on what double-posting is and how to not do it, since you're just plain ignoring the site staff?

Edit: Yeah, this isn't going to go well.
 
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Technically, a shopping cart is part of 'transport culture,' but I don't want to race it in a simulator. There's a difference between automotive passion and corporate marketing. Gran Turismo became famous for the soul of racing and engineering. Replacing icons like Koenigsegg with generic tech-firm SUVs dilutes that culture. If everything is 'car culture,' then the term becomes meaningless. Let's get back to the 'Real' in 'Real Driving Simulator'.
"Shopping Carts" are cars and are part of the whole.
As for the last sentence (and in context of this discussion) "Let's get back to the 'Real' in 'Real Driving Simulator'." ALL cars qualify to be in the Real Driving Simulator, and is why we have the "grocery getters" with the LMP1 cars from Le Mans in Gran Turismo.
If you remember we all started with the Mazda Demio in GRAN TURISMO, that is a basic street vehicle, not a pinnacle of engineering...
 
I swear every post you’ve put here always has something along the lines of “Pinnacle of Engineering like Koenigsegg” or “Engineering Masterpieces like Koenigsegg” - are you sure this isn’t a loophole thread to demand Koenigsegg without posting into the wishlist?? Koenigsegg’s are great cars but they aren’t the be-all-and-end-all to make a racing game great, if anything, I think a Daihatsu Midget II D-Type ‘98 would get more use out of it in my opinion due to the nostalgia and being a key defining car in previous releases. In Gran Turismo world, it’s probably more of an “icon” than a Koenigsegg as things stand.
If a three-wheeled Daihatsu is considered more of an 'icon' for a 2026 racing simulator than the world’s most advanced hypercars, then the community’s standards have truly hit rock bottom.
Nostalgia is fine, but you can't build the future of a 'Real Driving Simulator' solely on 30-year-old memes and commuter cars. I mention Koenigsegg because it represents the absolute peak of what’s possible today—something GT used to celebrate.
It’s not a 'loophole' for a wishlist; it’s a critique of the game’s current identity. If we’re prioritizing a Midget II over a Jesko or a Gemera in a modern high-end title, then we’ve stopped being a racing game and started being a comedy club. I’d rather drive a masterpiece of engineering than a nostalgia-trip on three wheels.

"Shopping Carts" are cars and are part of the whole.
As for the last sentence (and in context of this discussion) "Let's get back to the 'Real' in 'Real Driving Simulator'." ALL cars qualify to be in the Real Driving Simulator, and is why we have the "grocery getters" with the LMP1 cars from Le Mans in Gran Turismo.
If you remember we all started with the Mazda Demio in GRAN TURISMO, that is a basic street vehicle, not a pinnacle of engineering...
Yes, we all started with the Demio, but we didn't buy the game to stay in the Demio forever. The point of 'The Real Driving Simulator' is to represent the REAL world of automotive excellence TODAY.
In 1997, the Demio was a relevant starting point. In 2026, ignoring the most groundbreaking engineering feats like Koenigsegg while adding generic SUVs isn't 'representing car culture'—it's missing the most exciting part of it.
A simulator that only looks backward at its own history instead of looking forward at current engineering masterpieces becomes a museum, not a simulator. I’m not saying remove the 'grocery getters,' I’m saying stop using them as an excuse for the absence of the world's most relevant high-performance brands. You can have the Demio, but don't act like it's a substitute for a Jesko.
 
If a three-wheeled Daihatsu is considered more of an 'icon' for a 2026 racing simulator than the world’s most advanced hypercars, then the community’s standards have truly hit rock bottom.
Nostalgia is fine, but you can't build the future of a 'Real Driving Simulator' solely on 30-year-old memes and commuter cars. I mention Koenigsegg because it represents the absolute peak of what’s possible today—something GT used to celebrate.
It’s not a 'loophole' for a wishlist; it’s a critique of the game’s current identity. If we’re prioritizing a Midget II over a Jesko or a Gemera in a modern high-end title, then we’ve stopped being a racing game and started being a comedy club. I’d rather drive a masterpiece of engineering than a nostalgia-trip on three wheels.
Then it seems your standards have hit rock bottom considering you only seem to think of the absolutely right now rather than the past-to-present-to-future - you’ve clearly not understood how Gran Turismo works.

Also the amount of descriptions you are coming up with for Koenigsegg is starting to get a tad ridiculous.
 
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@Gummiente_3 Have you contacted Koenigsegg to ask why their brand is not in Gran Turismo 7?
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The future of racing game content will be this video on repeat for all eternity because all racing games ever made must adhere to the exact same car and track list, lest some guy on the internet complain that one isn't Keeping Up With The Times.

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Well, considering that the Forza games continuously add Koenigsegg cars to their roster (FH5 has 8, FM, sadly only 3), maybe licensing them it's more of a personal thing between Christian von Koenigsegg and Kaz? (We can't really know).

Anyways, what do Koenigsegg and Xiaomi have in common? 1) 0 racing pedigree, and 2) Proof that in this era you don't need said racing pedigree to build a fast car, just make a business case and raise the capital to purchase or develop your own engineering from all the automotive know-how that it's available out there if you have the money: Zenvo, Gordon Murray, Pagani, Czinger, Rimac, the list goes on.

Would GT's car list would be richer with Koenigsegg? For sure, but for PDs priorities, it doesn't seem to be essential.
 
The future of racing game content will be this video on repeat for all eternity because all racing games ever made must adhere to the exact same car and track list, lest some guy on the internet complain that one isn't Keeping Up With The Times.

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There’s a difference between 'adhering to the same list' and ignoring the absolute milestones of modern automotive engineering. Using 'variety' as an excuse for the absence of industry leaders like Koenigsegg is a weak argument.
A racing simulator shouldn't be a choice between 'nostalgic memes' and 'modern icons'—it should strive to provide both. Currently, the balance is heavily shifted towards commuters and EVs while the competition moves forward with the actual 'pinnacle of engineering.' If wanting the most relevant hypercars in a 2026 simulator makes me 'that guy on the internet,' I’ll take it. I’d rather advocate for higher standards than settle for mediocrity and call it 'variety'.
 
There’s a difference between 'adhering to the same list' and ignoring the absolute milestones of modern automotive engineering. Using 'variety' as an excuse for the absence of industry leaders like Koenigsegg is a weak argument.
A racing simulator shouldn't be a choice between 'nostalgic memes' and 'modern icons'—it should strive to provide both. Currently, the balance is heavily shifted towards commuters and EVs while the competition moves forward with the actual 'pinnacle of engineering.' If wanting the most relevant hypercars in a 2026 simulator makes me 'that guy on the internet,' I’ll take it. I’d rather advocate for higher standards than settle for mediocrity and call it 'variety'.
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In 1997, the Demio was a relevant starting point. In 2026, ignoring the most groundbreaking engineering feats like Koenigsegg while adding generic SUVs isn't 'representing car culture
In 2026, the Koenigsegg is NOT a relevant starting point...
I’m not saying remove the 'grocery getters,' I’m saying stop using them as an excuse for the absence of the world's most relevant high-performance brands. You can have the Demio, but don't act like it's a substitute for a Jesko.
The grocery getters are not an excuse for the absence of the world's most relevant high-performance brands.
A Demio is not a substitute for a Jesko, a Demio is a Demio...
 
In 2026, the Koenigsegg is NOT a relevant starting point...

The grocery getters are not an excuse for the absence of the world's most relevant high-performance brands.
A Demio is not a substitute for a Jesko, a Demio is a Demio...
Exactly. A Demio is a Demio, and a Jesko is a Jesko. They serve different purposes in a racing game. My point remains: a 'Real Driving Simulator' in 2026 should not be missing one side of that spectrum entirely while doubling down on the other.
If we agree they aren't substitutes, then we should agree that adding more 'grocery getters' doesn't fix the lack of modern high-performance icons. It’s time for the game to reflect the current state of the automotive world, not just its own history.
 
If a three-wheeled Daihatsu is considered more of an 'icon' for a 2026 racing simulator than the world’s most advanced hypercars, then the community’s standards have truly hit rock bottom.
I would argue that the Valkyrie is the most advanced hypercar at the moment, and wait, it's in GT right now. The Midget became an icon, ironically because it was included in Gran Turismo.
Nostalgia is fine, but you can't build the future of a 'Real Driving Simulator' solely on 30-year-old memes and commuter cars. I mention Koenigsegg because it represents the absolute peak of what’s possible today—something GT used to celebrate.
Gran Turismo never celebrated the absolute peak of engineering. When it came out in 1997, The McLaren F1 was the fastest production car in the world. It didn't come to the franchise until GT6, that was in 2012. It took PD 25 years to get the "pinnacle of engineering" up to that point in the franchise.
It’s not a 'loophole' for a wishlist; it’s a critique of the game’s current identity. If we’re prioritizing a Midget II over a Jesko or a Gemera in a modern high-end title, then we’ve stopped being a racing game and started being a comedy club. I’d rather drive a masterpiece of engineering than a nostalgia-trip on three wheels.
There is already a game that has all the latest hypercars in it, it's called Forza Horizon. Go play that instead, if it concerns you that much.

It's also so telling that your idea of a racing legend is the Koenigsegg CCGT, which never raced, and is in other games as well.
 
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Exactly. A Demio is a Demio, and a Jesko is a Jesko. They serve different purposes in a racing game. My point remains: a 'Real Driving Simulator' in 2026 should not be missing one side of that spectrum entirely while doubling down on the other.
If we agree they aren't substitutes, then we should agree that adding more 'grocery getters' doesn't fix the lack of modern high-performance icons. It’s time for the game to reflect the current state of the automotive world, not just its own history.
It's not missing one side of the spectrum mate, there's plenty of hypercars in the game. There's just not one specific brand of hypercars that you want.

At least be honest with yourself about what you're doing. It started off silly enough but it's obvious this is just your glorified wishlist for Koenigsegg.
 
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