Tesla Model S- P100D confirmed

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LMSCorvetteGT2
...since this is the P8XD thread...I was thinking more along those lines and not all Tesla since this is the only Tesla I'm interested in.
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Oh, I think the regular Model S thread is super old but I could revive it. Maybe there should just be a single Tesla thread.
 
R1600Turbo
Oh, I think the regular Model S thread is super old but I could revive it. Maybe there should just be a single Tesla thread.
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Perhaps the company is small enough and doesn't produce a wide range so why should it have several iterations...

Good thinking! 👍
 
R1600Turbo
So, the Model X SUV that's supposed to come out.......unless they plan on having different trim levels that do or do not have the gull-wing doors, then I'm pretty sure they scrapped them. Saw someone getting into one a couple times today and it had normal doors on it.
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I would like to make a correction here: I was unaware that only the rear doors opened upwards. It was the front doors I saw open normally. So there may have been no changes. My bad. :p
 
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R1600Turbo
Not specifically D related, but some Tesla news from today:

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/...a-s-fastest-accelerating-car-on-the-road.html
  • $5k price drop on entry level Model S
  • Ludicrous mode for P85D drops 0-60 to 2.8 seconds
  • Bigger battery packs available for higher range
Their claim of "fastest accelerating car on the road" is a loose term I am sure.....

Also: New Roadster in 4 years.
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2.8 second 0-60 time is just absolutely mental for a 2 tonne electric sedan. :eek:
 
So from the Insane modes 691 HP to the Ludicrous Modes 762HP.

Dear god. :drool:

It'll supposedly act like a two stage system, probably to maintain traction from a standstill. ;)

Up to 30 mph it'll be in Insane mode and then the Ludicrous mode kicks in from there.

It's safe to say I'm in love with the Model S because it just keeps getting better in every way. :D
 
Grandea GTR
I could only imagine if they made a Tesla Roadster Pxx-D.
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Well if what was said by Musk at the end of the conference is true that when the new Roadster comes out in 4 years time, it'll be "Maximum Plaid" :lol:
 
Is the P90D now more powerful than any regular production naturally aspirated ICE engine ever? I can't think of anything N/A engine with more than 750hp. The Aventador SV is the closest I believe.
 
Eunos_Cosmo
Is the P90D now more powerful than any regular production naturally aspirated ICE engine ever? I can't think of anything N/A engine with more than 750hp. The Aventador SV is the closest I believe.
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Aston One-77 also has 750hp. I don't think I've seen an N/A with more.
 
Eunos_Cosmo
Is the P90D now more powerful than any regular production naturally aspirated ICE engine ever? I can't think of anything N/A engine with more than 750hp. The Aventador SV is the closest I believe.
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Nope. It's not even the most powerful production electric car. But the P90D definitely has a ludicrous amount of power. I guess the P85D wasn't insane enough.

How long till they make a Model S with more than 1000 horsepower?
 
Naveek Darkroom
Nope. It's not even the most powerful production electric car. But the P90D definitely has a ludicrous amount of power. I guess the P85D wasn't insane enough.

How long till they make a Model S with more than 1000 horsepower?
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What serious production electric car has more power?
 
AudiMan2011
I would've said the 1,088hp Rimac Concept_One but on 6 or 7 will ever be made so it doesn't count.
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Yeah, I was thinking of the Concept_One. But they're actually planning to build 88 of them and not just 6 or 7. I think they've delivered at least that many.
 
SecretAgentZero
At this rate, end of 2016 or so.
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Wouldn't seem too surprising. At the least, I wouldn't be surprised if they at least made another more powerful model, quadruple digit power levels or not. I just wonder if they'll ever get to one with a megawatt of power. Or how long till they just get to warp drive. Car and Driver says there's a roadster model with Maximum Plaid mode planned.
 
MatskiMonk
Interesting discussion going on here about Tesla HP numbers, http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/50241-P85D-and-P90D-horsepower-disagreement/page5
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Yeah, it's weird. I've driven a P85D and while it's very, very fast, it doesn't feel anything like a combustion engined car with 600+ horsepower.

I mean, it's incredible off the line - all wheel drive, no feeling of the drivetrain struggling to transmit the power it's being asked to, no sensation of the tyres struggling with a sudden burst of torque, but it's not scarily fast. The lack of noise probably has something to do with that, but it must also be something to do with the way electric motors develop their power and torque, at low motor speeds rather than high ones. And obviously, the gear ratios of regular cars.

The average (petrol) internal combustion car accelerates faster the higher it revs. The Tesla feels very rapid indeed up to 70 or 80, but while something like an M5, E63 S or Panamera Turbo S would be in the meat of its power band in probably third gear and feeling ridiculously fast, that's where the Tesla tails off. You can see that in the Turbo S vs Tesla numbers posted in that thread - below about 100 the Telsa is either quicker or largely as fast as the Porsche, after 100 the Porsche leaves it.

All that said, the way the Model S moves is still remarkable. In terms of pure roll-on acceleration, most conventional performance cars wouldn't see which way it went, and you'd have to be revving the average turbocharged V8 like a complete fanny to match it. There's something hugely satisfying about the un-shouty way it goes fast. The excitement of noise is all well and good on a test track or drag strip, but on the road you ideally don't want to call too much attention to yourself when you're accelerating hard.
 
you don't get that headrest bump with each gear change that you do in ice cars either. If you're used to that, you might not feel as if the car is as fast when you sit in a tesla.
 
Pseudopod
you don't get that headrest bump with each gear change that you do in ice cars either. If you're used to that, you might not feel as if the car is as fast when you sit in a tesla.
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Yup. There's basically a lot of noise, vibration and changes in the rate of acceleration that you don't get in the Tesla, which completely changes the sensation of acceleration. In a way, it's more like the opposite of braking - a sustained force.
 
homeforsummer
Yeah, it's weird. I've driven a P85D and while it's very, very fast, it doesn't feel anything like a combustion engined car with 600+ horsepower.
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After reading the thread, it seems that the 691hp is more like 550hp because the dual motor's powerbands do not peak simultaneously. A little like the new Koenigsegg Regera where the combined gross ouput is north of 1800hp but they don't peak at the same time so the net total output is something like 1500hp. Except Tesla just adds together the peaks and rates it at that.

Combine this slightly unscrupulous power measurement with the fact that the P85D weighs nearly 5,000lbs (2200kg!) and has only a single speed transmission, and it totally makes sense why it doesn't feel exceptionally fast.
 
Eunos_Cosmo
After reading the thread, it seems that the 691hp is more like 550hp because the dual motor's powerbands do not peak simultaneously. A little like the new Koenigsegg Regera where the combined gross ouput is north of 1800hp but they don't peak at the same time so the net total output is something like 1500hp. Except Tesla just adds together the peaks and rates it at that.

Combine this slightly unscrupulous power measurement with the fact that the P85D weighs nearly 5,000lbs (2200kg!) and has only a single speed transmission, and it totally makes sense why it doesn't feel exceptionally fast.
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That sounds about right.

I'd love to try one that weighed about half a ton less than it does. Its weird, it doesn't feel especially heavy while you're driving it, as it's quite well-damped - a bit like how the Nissan GT-R never feels remotely as heavy as it is, albeit less extreme. But given most of the bona-fide super saloons out there are more like 1800-1900kg, the Tesla's extra weight must be making quite a difference.
 
MatskiMonk
The weight being so low down masks some of the negative effect of driving around with a couple of baby elephants extra weight in the car.
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And it being electric, frankly. The fact it has so much instant urge does a good job of shrugging off the weight, at least in a straight line.
 
I would love someone to strip a Tesla out and change all the panels to CF just to see what it's truely capable of although the torque might just spin the wheels if it were that light.
 

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