The AI thread

sinbad
There's no discussion here. The AI are painfully slow. You generally couldn't simply follow them closely through a corner even if you wanted to, they have unpredictably early braking points, low corner speeds, but perhaps the worst thing is that at the slightest suggestion that you might attempt to move alongside them at any point, they will basically concede the position and not accelerate at all! If you try to enter wider and then cut back behind one, it might assume you're going to try to go all the way around the outside, and just roll casually around the inside of the curve. When you pass one they're just a dot in your mirror, because they just act like they're running out of fuel for a few seconds. It's ridiculous.

You can't race them. You can handicap yourself with a car that can just about do their lap times and be among them, but you can't race them.

Previous GT games might have had dumb AI, but I'm almost certain they were quicker and more predictable than the GT5 AI.

I still think it's because of the stupid B-spec mode and its driver improvement learning nonsense. Even GTPSP has better AI than this.

On a side note, perhaps if the AI had in fact been improved to satisfactory standards I would have complained again about the "1 make cup" race mode in the Practice section of GT mode and the way it always pits you against standard versions of whichever car you're driving, rendering it fairly useless.
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Agreed... Anyway, they improved the AI... before the patch I made the 1st place easily in the seasonals, lambo, nürburgring event... Now after the patch I needed 3-4 trys to get 1st... (sports soft, stock Gallardo with no setup)

In that event you can get a nice race when you choose the stock gallardo, put some mid sport tires on (AI has soft)... I was driving head to head with the field... But there is another problem with GT, you don´t have enough laps to win if you are driving 0,500 better than #1 each lap... I´ve started with 12 seconds to 1st car and in lap 5 I was at 9 seconds to 1st...

There happened another nice thing, I was stunning after seeing that. 2 AI cars get off the track and were slow... and they was waiting for me to pass them and not trying to get back on track and blocking me...

In fact, 5 hours played after the patch 1.10 and I had much more fun with GT5 then ever before!
 
i managed to slam a Cizeta V16 that pissed me off into a rollover today.. pretty funny stuff.. i was using my favorite LFA, a Pearl Red stock example, he crowded my back bumper while i was taking a corner, got it loose, and made the car hit the wall :mad:.. so in the chicane before the front stretch i knocked him onto the berm so hard he went 90 degrees vertical sideways, then went belly up mid air before hitting the wall on the other side.. SEEYA! teehee.. :lol:
 
I had an "issue" with a Zonda at Supercar Seasonal at Eifel, so I drove into him at the first corner, using him as a brake and somehow he drifted on the grass, full throttle around! And he recovered when I did the same a lap later!
 
MrMulsanne
I had an "issue" with a Zonda at Supercar Seasonal at Eifel, so I drove into him at the first corner, using him as a brake and somehow he drifted on the grass, full throttle around! And he recovered when I did the same a lap later!
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My guy didnt recover.. he had no chance.. once he hit the hill he was screwed.. the AI are definitely much more aggressive than they were tho.. ive been tailed thru corners at least 3 times.. that never happened before
 
I was just watching FM4 and boss of Turn10, he said its super hard to create good Ai, so no complains for GT5, no complain for their game.

Also I love how people say AI sucks, then I go online 90% of players suck more then AI!!! haha, can't even make the first turn without bumps...

SHAME ON YOU GUYS!!!!
 
The ai seems easy cause 90% of people driving will run into them as they take a corner; or using way better tires then the AI.

Turn off the aids
use the tires that came stock with your car, if you upgrade it only go 1 level up, don't even use sport softs unless your over 400 hp

then play like your doing a license test pre 1.07; if you hit another car DQ, if you try and cut corners DQ; keep your car PP range towards the middle of your competition.

now the game is actually pretty good, for added challenge drop back into last place before you hit the gas.
 
Smackinjuice
The ai seems easy cause 90% of people driving will run into them as they take a corner; or using way better tires then the AI.

Turn off the aids
use the tires that came stock with your car, if you upgrade it only go 1 level up, don't even use sport softs unless your over 400 hp

then play like your doing a license test pre 1.07; if you hit another car DQ, if you try and cut corners DQ; keep your car PP range towards the middle of your competition.

now the game is actually pretty good, for added challenge drop back into last place before you hit the gas.
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Nah... Yesterday I played some japanese event in A-Spec... The game shows me that the AI has ~400LP cars... I took an 300LP car, only to have at least a bit fun... Took the same tires as the AI... 2nd lap I was 1st... Seems like I´ve got to take an 100LP car to have a bit of challenge...

I want some head to head races and not always the same, start from #12 and became 1st in 5 laps... This is so... GT1 times...
 
Smackinjuice
The ai seems easy cause 90% of people driving will run into them as they take a corner; or using way better tires then the AI.

Turn off the aids
use the tires that came stock with your car, if you upgrade it only go 1 level up, don't even use sport softs unless your over 400 hp

then play like your doing a license test pre 1.07; if you hit another car DQ, if you try and cut corners DQ; keep your car PP range towards the middle of your competition.

now the game is actually pretty good, for added challenge drop back into last place before you hit the gas.
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Still far too easy. You will beat the AI under the same conditions even with a car with lower PP fairly easily. The only time the AI have given me a challenge is either when i'm fairly disadvantaged (used car), driving the X2010 (heavy damage) or the Nascar race around daytona.
 
Sele1981
Nah... Yesterday I played some japanese event in A-Spec... The game shows me that the AI has ~400LP cars... I took an 300LP car, only to have at least a bit fun... Took the same tires as the AI... 2nd lap I was 1st... Seems like I´ve got to take an 100LP car to have a bit of challenge...

I want some head to head races and not always the same, start from #12 and became 1st in 5 laps... This is so... GT1 times...
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Except you could qualify (or not) in GT1, so it really could be a proper challenge. Assuming you didn't mind the bump'n'grind ;)

In fact, a qualifying feature for GT5 would be great. Again, features that should not have been removed!
 
I wonder how much of the B-spec logic is affecting the AI compared to past games. When I try to rationalize why the AI is so bad, I think of them in terms of B-spec. Why do they decrease pace when you pass them? Why don't they run max pace the whole race? What is their skill level and why isn't is higher so they could run max pace without spinning out? If the AI is running a B-spec program then you would think it would not be too hard adjust parameters to make them more competitive.

Also, why do they drive stock cars? However well they can improve the AI, if you improve your car at all you have an advantage. Would it be so hard to give the cars stage 3 weight reduction, suspension, transmission and drivetrain upgrades? Even with stock settings it would be an improvement, though how hard could it be to set the tranny max speed for the track for example?
 
Just did a pretty awesome clean race with the AI, me in McClaren f1 stock with stock sport hard tires with ABS set to zero, break bias 7/4 on the Nurburgring. I have come to the conclusion that maybe the AI always thinks it's running on sport hard, as I notice my earlier braking points were mostly inline with their's even when they were running on Racing Hard tyres.
I was even surprise that near the end when I was in the lead, the Nissan 350Z Concept LM Racecar was actually gaining on me ever so slightly different from their usual "ive been passed, now it's time to give up and pick up grandma" style of driving.
 
HOLY CRAP THE AI ARE GOOD! needed for all caps as i just had a battle with a NSX on arcade mode in my RX7....

At first i drove slow cause i thought they were slow, and he dives into the corner and passes me.

things ive noticed, Seriously quick in the corners, no longer slow through corners, etc...

Go to options in menu and set AI chariteristics to 10, then set AI dificulty to A3, ...damn is this even the same game..

AI now drive like they want to win.

they also block each other and if you hit them they become more agressive, im liking this, i got in thinking i could get 1st place on 1st lap...nope. 13th barely.

heres a good test, Set AI to what i said above, go to arcade mode, get mazda RX7, selects tsukuba, and try to get first.

Also i think the guy in the NSX was... "M. bozzy"

Also yes, i pushed that RX7 hard, until the point where it was barely getting traction.

BRAVO PD:tup:👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
 
TorqueHappenS08
HOLY CRAP THE AI ARE GOOD! needed for all caps as i just had a battle with a NSX on arcade mode in my RX7....

At first i drove slow cause i thought they were slow, and he dives into the corner and passes me.

things ive noticed, Seriously quick in the corners, no longer slow through corners, etc...

Go to options in menu and set AI chariteristics to 10, then set AI dificulty to A3, ...damn is this even the same game..

AI now drive like they want to win.

they also block each other and if you hit them they become more agressive, im liking this, i got in thinking i could get 1st place on 1st lap...nope. 13th barely.

heres a good test, Set AI to what i said above, go to arcade mode, get mazda RX7, selects tsukuba, and try to get first.

Also i think the guy in the NSX was... "M. bozzy"

Also yes, i pushed that RX7 hard, until the point where it was barely getting traction.

BRAVO PD:tup:👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
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I need to try this. Sounds sweet! What about A-spec, any changes there?
 
TorqueHappenS08
HOLY CRAP THE AI ARE GOOD! needed for all caps as i just had a battle with a NSX on arcade mode in my RX7....

At first i drove slow cause i thought they were slow, and he dives into the corner and passes me.

things ive noticed, Seriously quick in the corners, no longer slow through corners, etc...

Go to options in menu and set AI chariteristics to 10, then set AI dificulty to A3, ...damn is this even the same game..

AI now drive like they want to win.

they also block each other and if you hit them they become more agressive, im liking this, i got in thinking i could get 1st place on 1st lap...nope. 13th barely.

heres a good test, Set AI to what i said above, go to arcade mode, get mazda RX7, selects tsukuba, and try to get first.

Also i think the guy in the NSX was... "M. bozzy"

Also yes, i pushed that RX7 hard, until the point where it was barely getting traction.

BRAVO PD:tup:👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
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Really!? Can anyone back this up? My download is going to take a lifetime to load. This better not be a fabrication!
 
PAWEL17
Really!? Can anyone back this up? My download is going to take a lifetime to load. This better not be a fabrication!
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In the options menu, there is new option called "AI characteristics

What it does is you set 1-10 of how agressive you want the AI.

Add that with AI level of profesional, and it very good now, no more crawling through turns, especially on le mans... where you could be in 1st place in a matter of minutes, not anymore, AI hug the turn and i seen no break lights come on the Ferrari 57BB in front of me, he just sailed through it.

I am very happy. Just plain happy.
 
TorqueHappenS08
In the options menu, there is new option called "AI characteristics

What it does is you set 1-10 of how agressive you want the AI.

Add that with AI level of profesional, and it very good now, no more crawling through turns, especially on le mans... where you could be in 1st place in a matter of minutes, not anymore, AI hug the turn and i seen no break lights come on the Ferrari 57BB in front of me, he just sailed through it.

I am very happy. Just plain happy.
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Does this apply to A-spec??
 
They are much better with the aggression turned up, quite a bit faster and much less prone to giving up on a corner just because your car is within 10 feet of theirs. Hopefully we'll see a spec and seasonal events which implement the better a.i in the future.
 
sinbad
They are much better with the aggression turned up, quite a bit faster and much less prone to giving up on a corner just because your car is within 10 feet of theirs. Hopefully we'll see a spec and seasonal events which implement the better a.i in the future.
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the new AI is not in the A-spec in gt mode??? :nervous:
 
What's with A-Spec? Just race, people.

It's not as if the experience you get from A-Spec races are worth it. I've probably spent double the time in Practice and Arcade than doing A-Spec. I haven't even completed it.

It's just me, but I don't look at A-Spec like it needs to be completed or even used, meaning A-Spec just seems to be there without much reason to be.
 
GTNewfie
New AI not in A-spec? That cant be right a-spec is the mode that needs AI, are PD that idiotic?
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did a test, deep forrest deep forrest rerverse slight curve after long straight, Arcade AI adverage 80-90 mph a spec AI 43-50 mph...👎


Apparently no option to turn AI characteristics on A-spec, just arcade mode.
that's also what it says in the menu, just AI character for arcade options.
 
another_jakhole
What's with A-Spec? Just race, people.

It's not as if the experience you get from A-Spec races are worth it. I've probably spent double the time in Practice and Arcade than doing A-Spec. I haven't even completed it.

It's just me, but I don't look at A-Spec like it needs to be completed or even used, meaning A-Spec just seems to be there without much reason to be.
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Exactly, A-spec is for earning expierence to be able to buy the top cars, and to gain money, to get more cara, so you can then race them in arcade, on any track, with however many laps you want, on now(suggested) Harder AI difficulty. Now we can race.
 

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