The Biggest Noob/Hack car is...

[the Interceptor]

I'm not sure if this thread is a good idea, for the simple reason of outlawing a specific group of cars. Case in point: me. I do drive my Evos because they are easy to drive, and specifically because in a dogfight, I don't want to spin out and probably take my "opponent" off the track with me because of the car I drive. In a good online race, you constantly have to be at the limit, and that's where the AWDs are just the tad easier to handle. However, I still pay attention to what's going on around me, so just because I am using this car, I'm not a "hack".

And taken the other way around, I don't want somebody to think I am a hack because I drive that car, and probably even shove me off the track.

 

[Christhedude]

i find most punters to be in Evo's but i don't sterotype.

EY! i'm in a white Evo IX and i'm a pro, not a "punter"

i noticed that guys in the F40's are punters in the susuka PP600 Races.

Chris

 

[Vagabond]

i noticed that guys in the F40's are punters in the susuka PP600 Races.

Chris

Oy! I drive an F40 sometimes.

Far from being a punter, I was actually berated by Grim_reaper the other day for getting in the way in mine. "Its like trying to overtake a bus on a single track road!" he said.

Hehehe

Interestingly enough, he was driving either an Imprezza or an Evo

 

[superwally]

What, no more whining about the Lotus? I thought that would never end.

I have an idea, why don't you include "whatever Earth is not driving today" as a choice, then I could participate in the poll.

 

[EnZo-UK]

well ive never been punted by an R8

 

[moonman79]

oi tuned evo-X is my fave car for online racing.and i drive it fair and square.no ramming and no short cuts.
if some fool gets in my racing line then more fool him/her for not being able to race properly.
i'll give anyone a run for there money in the evo-x
youve been warned.=-p

EDIT:

+100

I'm honestly beginning to think that Earth is really a Brit in disguise, because he sure moans like one.

Im sorry but im a Brit and i never moan about any racers!!!!!!!
but if any racer is foolish enough to try and ram you the shame on them.
ive had this game scince the original demo and have lurned too take the rough with the smooth.
How ever dose it make me a "hack/noob"?because im fast in a tunned evo-x you tell me?but imo i find it the most drivable car to race with and can realy push with it.just because you guys that drive the tuned ford gt or amuse s-2000 can handle looseing out to a lesser car then shame on you

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

1) double post

2) Read the OP - The fact that good drivers also drive 4wd's (RudiRaser is a case in point) does not have any bearing on the fact that most punters also drive it.

 

[moonman79]

3)double post.......so what

 

[Sphinx]

3)double post.......so what

Watch your PM box and find out.

 

[moonman79]

for crying out loud this forum is more
clinical than the Mclaren forum

 

[Dragonistic]

for crying out loud this forum is more
clinical than the Mclaren forum

Why make two posts when there's an EDIT function though? the logic makes no sense. It'd be like buying two of the same car on GT5 to run two set ups even though you can have sets A B and C.

 

[Dolp]

Say it simply :

4wd cars are easiests to keep on the track, Rwd/Fwd are fastests in right hands.

So it's typically logical to find bad drivers in 4wd.

Now, saying that 4wd are not valuable opponent is not true. With a good driver, 4wd need to have some perfect lines to compensate lacks of top speed. Somehow, 4wd drivers need to take some risks to struggle with Fwd.
And PP system is here to allow fair battle between cars (assuming drivers are same level) : 4wd will have advantages on corner speed and acceleration control, Rwd/fwd will have the same on straights speed and acceleration capacity.

Not sure if I'm clear and loud but PP system gives handicap to 4wd to compensate easier control capability as Rwd/Fwd get advantage with the price of harder control management.

 

[Biggles]

Say it simply :

4wd cars are easiests to keep on the track, Rwd/Fwd are fastests in right hands.

So it's typically logical to find bad drivers in 4wd.

Now, saying that 4wd are not valuable opponent is not true. With a good driver, 4wd need to have some perfect lines to compensate lacks of top speed. Somehow, 4wd drivers need to take some risks to struggle with Fwd.
And PP system is here to allow fair battle between cars (assuming drivers are same level) : 4wd will have advantages on corner speed and acceleration control, Rwd/fwd will have the same on straights speed and acceleration capacity.

Not sure if I'm clear and loud but PP system gives handicap to 4wd to compensate easier control capability as Rwd/Fwd get advantage with the price of harder control management.

👍 Exactly.

However, the point remains, that against good drivers, some cars are just not competitive on a given track, no matter how well they're driven.

I am finding that there is very little aggressive or deliberate punting now on Suzuka 600 PP. The bad or experienced drivers are generally not a problem if you stay out of the melee at turn 1 & take your time about moving up through the field.

I would agree that a bad or inexperienced driver is likely to cause more damage (figuratively speaking ) in a hard-to-drive car than an EVO.

Again: half the cars on Earth's "Hackers" list are MR or FR!?

 

[AlfaAlfa]

Again: half the cars on Earth's "Hackers" list are MR or FR!?

It's not "hacker", it's "hack". And there is a big difference between a "noob" and a "hack". In fact a noob wouldn't have the experience it takes to become a hack! Being a hack is not such a bad thing, and being a noob is a necessary thing for awhile. So really, there isn't any reason to be offended by the poll question unless you are ashamed/afraid of being one of those things.

"Hack" is an awesome word in this sense. It suggests all kinds of things in one simple syllable. The first time I heard it used was when a friend of mine and I were watching Pat Benetar's guitar player do the solo for (I think) "Fire and Ice". My friend said "that guy's a hack". Ever since then I've wondered about what makes one guy a hack and another guy "genuine" or a "true artist". I've decided that a "hack" tends to follow a formula that leads to a predictable result and is really only interested in that end result. An artist tends to be more interested in the individual moments of interaction with whatever the medium is (in our case, a driving simulator). I think it's obvious there's a little hack in the best artist and a little artistry in the worst hack.

A look at a few "hacks" might make the title more bearable (even honorable!) Edgar Rice Burroughs and Robert E. Howard are arguably hacks. Erle Stanley Gardner was often called a hack. I would personally say Stevie Ray Vaughan and George Thorogood fall into the "hack" category. Jimmy Hendrix definitely does NOT. Jimmy Page could be both depending on what you're listening to. Some would call Norman Rockwell a "hack" while somone like Van Gogh would be anything but... notice I haven't mentioned any race car drivers? Even the initial post used tatoo artists as an example. I've heard drivers referred to as artists but not as hacks. In terms of simulated driving, "hack" seems appropriate, but a hack on a real track? Who would fit that bill? Anyway, I would agree with my friend that Pat Benetar's guitar player (now her husband) was a hack, yet he was also a heck of a good guitar player!

I voted for the Clio.

 

[skazz]

Interesting... My worst experiences have been with Ford GT LM drivers. Something to do with it having the most bhp I guess (compensation for lack elsewhere obviously). Can't pick that option though

The noob car is probably the Evo, but I'd like to include the Tuned Clio and Amuse 2000S as good alternatives for people trying unsuccessfully to emulate the fast guys

 

[Earth]

Interesting... My worst experiences have been with Ford GT LM drivers. Something to do with it having the most bhp I guess (compensation for lack elsewhere obviously). Can't pick that option though

The noob car is probably the Evo, but I'd like to include the Tuned Clio and Amuse 2000S as good alternatives for people trying unsuccessfully to emulate the fast guys

I was going to add the S2000 as my first week or two of online races saw many of them run me and other GTP members over. I remember a GTP member asking if every S2000 driver had to be a jerk. Recently in 750pp the only S2000 drivers I've seen were GTP members so the number of punters in them dropped to 0, at least for me.

I have a long, bad history with tuned Clios. The very first Clio I raced online tried to run me off the road and kill me. Once the number of Clio drivers who tried to put me in the wall went through the roof I decided I would never drive that car in a normal online event because I despised it that much from what the drivers of it drove like. I didn't want to associate myself with them in any way

The Lotus Elise craze never took off in NTSC so I never really had any problems with the little mosquitos

Evolution X and Nissan GTR drivers are equally as bad, but Evolution Xs are more popular because they have less horsepower then the GTR which makes them easier to control, that's why they're dominating the poll.

The Ferrari F430 was seen as a noob car in the beginning of GT5P online 700pp because everyone and his brother was driving one which made the number of hacks in them go up.

Corvette C6 Tuned dominates Daytona oval nowadays

Honda Integra dominates the beginner standard races

Audi R8...I kind of regret adding this car to the list. It's easy to drive sure, but it's not really a noob car or a hack car or both put together.

 

[BonzoHarry]

The Lotus Elise craze never took off in NTSC so I never really had any problems with the little mosquitoes

Good thing to, I love the elise; 273hp of underdog glory. The car still loses to everything on the straights, but it's faster in the corners. So you have to run significantly faster through the corners, to put enough distance between you and the other car, so he can't catch you in the straight before the next corners. It gets pretty intense at times, but I like a challenge.

I've been driving it for a few million dollars worth of racing, and I've tried using the GT LM, corvette, and the s2k...and while they can be faster cars. I just don't get as excited with them.

 

[thegide]

Good thing to, I love the elise; 273hp of underdog glory. The car still loses to everything on the straights, but it's faster in the corners. So you have to run significantly faster through the corners, to put enough distance between you and the other car, so he can't catch you in the straight before the next corners. It gets pretty intense at times, but I like a challenge.

I've been driving it for a few million dollars worth of racing, and I've tried using the GT LM, corvette, and the s2k...and while they can be faster cars. I just don't get as excited with them.

I hear you on the excitement part...

I don't get excited by driving the exact same car as everyone else. Scorn me for driving an Evo, but at least it's a stock Evo IX and I haven't seen many people driving the stock variant. It's also satisfying passing those people driving /tuned IX's and X's....Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed my first day with the R8, but I've entered so many 600PP races that were nothing but a sea of R8's that I don't think I can stand to race one myself online.

 

[skazz]

I really enjoyed my first day with the R8, but I've entered so many 600PP races that were nothing but a sea of R8's that I don't think I can stand to race one myself online.

really? which region?
I've never seen more than one R8 at a time in any 600PP race (although admittedly I don't spend that much time online) The 600PP tends to be full of F430s, Evos, Subarus (damn they are fast!) M3s and the occasional alternative when I race.

 

[Vaxen]

really? which region?
I've never seen more than one R8 at a time in any 600PP race (although admittedly I don't spend that much time online) The 600PP tends to be full of F430s, Evos, Subarus (damn they are fast!) M3s and the occasional alternative when I race.

Lately R8's have been extremely popular in the NTSC region. Tonight's GTP race may have something to do with that, as well over a dozen racers have been spending time tuning their cars and their techniques on all 3 600pp tracks, and smoking most of the competition. This has made it something of a "flavor of the week" for many racers, GTP or no.

 

[BB-ANDY-]

AUDI R8!!! lol, for 600pp anyway....

 

[Vaxen]

AUDI R8!!! lol, for 600pp anyway....

A doubter, I see!

I'll grant you that the F430 or tuned Clio will easily win in a head to head duel with equally skilled racers, but they can definitely hold their own against any other car in the class.

 

[Biggles]

Lately R8's have been extremely popular in the NTSC region. Tonight's GTP race may have something to do with that, as well over a dozen racers have been spending time tuning their cars and their techniques on all 3 600pp tracks, and smoking most of the competition. This has made it something of a "flavor of the week" for many racers, GTP or no.

Yeah, in NTSC Suzuka 600 PP I'm mostly seeing R8s, Evos, STIs, GTRs & a few F430s. Very few Elises (love it, but definitely not an easy car to drive), Clios, Integra's or Corvettes. But I spend very little time in Fuji & none in HSR or Daytona, so I wouldn't know about those.

 

[Seismica]

standard driving, definetly the Clio sport tuned.

On pro driving, definetly the Evo X tuned.

i voted for the clio.

 

[code131158]

The biggest noob/hack car is:
using the six-axis. Should be an elite class for wheel users. (not that I'm any good with either)

btw...there's no such thing as noob-hack cars? there are just different kind of cars.

 

[Seismica]

The biggest noob/hack car is:
using the six-axis. Should be an elite class for wheel users. (not that I'm any good with either)

btw...there's no such thing as noob-hack cars? there are just different kind of cars.

I don't use the wheel and i'm a clean driver, but using the analogue sticks to turn and the x button to accelerate makes it uber hard on professional drive modes

I try to drive clean all the time, but if somebody rams me off on purpose, i will repay the favour if the opportunity arises.

 

[homeforsummer]

I haven't voted, because there really are a few. Definitely any Impreza and any Evo in 600PP. They're brash cars, and this rubs off on the people who seem to like them.

In 500PP, I think the Focus ASBO is more of a hack car than the Integra. Fair enough, most people seem to drive Integras, but there's nothing worse than seeing an orange Focus coming up behind you because you know for sure you'll get knocked off the circuit.

On the AWD point, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing,or an "easy route". I'm sure it isn't difficult driving them quickly, but try getting the Audi TT that I use around the circuit quickly. It maxes out at 595PP so I pretty much always start first on the grid, but after the initial burst of grip, the sub-400hp leads to me getting passed by at least four cars into turn one, and that's if I don't get punted off by an Evo. I can make up a little in the corners as I have a good setup, but the lack of speed does make things very difficult. Being AWD, it does have inherent understeer on the power too. It may be AWD but it isn't "easy" - I just enjoy the challenge.

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

It's funny as hell in 750pp where the biggest noob machine seems to be the GTlm. Obvious choice on paper - it's faster than anything else but this doesn't mean it's easy to keep on the track, a fact that multiple donutting GT's on most every bend of suzuka is testament to.

I love being the only one on the track who can actually drive the beast and finishing 15-20 secs clear of everyone else, almost as much as I love meeting someone else who can actually drive it and duking it out for 1st and second place.

 

[NLxAROSA]

It's funny as hell in 750pp where the biggest noob machine seems to be the GTlm. Obvious choice on paper - it's faster than anything else but this doesn't mean it's easy to keep on the track, a fact that multiple donutting GT's on most every bend of suzuka is testament to.

I would really love to see races where the use of ASM is restricted. I have seen so many occasions where a GT LM recovered from a deliberate punt or crash in a manner which is impossible with ASM off.

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

I would really love to see races where the use of ASM is restricted. I have seen so many occasions where a GT LM recovered from a deliberate punt or crash in a manner which is impossible with ASM off.

I must be in the wrong races, I rarely see a GTlm recover from entering a corner unmolested