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I use a sixaxis, very succesfully I might add as many people here can vouch. Would someone who hits you on purpose not hit you if they had a wheel???
Interesting logic I must say.
The Biggest Noob/Hack car is...
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I use a sixaxis, very succesfully I might add as many people here can vouch. Would someone who hits you on purpose not hit you if they had a wheel???
Interesting logic I must say.
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I'm sure there are people who are very skillful with the controller, but in the early days online, it seemed like there were a lot of cars "jiggling" around the track in a very distracting manner. That seems to be much less common now, probably because most "uncommitted" users have drifted off to other games & committed controller users are now skilled at using the sixaxis.
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You mean, tells them punting is OK even though they already obvious think it is? The message they seem to get from me is, hit me again douche and you're gonna be eating grass and sand everytime you see me.
Retaliation should be used when (or if) you are absolutely certain it was deliberate. I mean you know when someone lunges up your inside from 20 metres back, that its a deliberate agressive move with no regard to whether they hit you or not.
Most of the punters are likely less matture (not neccessarily through age) and won't punt more because someone hit them back because they already punt whenever neccessary in order for them to win. If someone punts you, do you think you should punt everyone? To them it is ok, and probably always will be on the current system. I won't sit around and allow them to just kick me in the nuts everytime they see me. Fire with fire is my approach. I rarely ever punt back, because as you said, its difficult to decide, but when I know there was intent I do tend to get virtual road rage.
Not punting back will make them think they can get away with it, punting them back will make them think its ok. At least punting them back means the don't win.
But its not the sixaxis itself, they would be just as bad if not worse with a wheel. Which is also why i haven't voted on this, a car doesn't make a punter, the guy driving it does.
Sorry it may appear im targetting you Biggles. I mean no bad.
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I don't think that's the message you are sending. Ignoring & (where possible) avoiding their punting will make them lose interest & go away. Re-punting makes them think they're "in a game" of punting.
In practice, I have only come across two or three deliberate punters in the last couple of weeks at Suzuka & even they were more into nudging you off the track as you passed them, than outright ramming. Not sure about HSR or Daytona: they used to be bad, so I don't bother going there...
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Couldn't have put it better myself 👍
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Another thing I think is worth pointing out is giving a driver a clean slate every race. Reason for this is that it has occurred to me that there may be two or more people sharing the same account, maybe a bunch of mates sitting around having beer and ps3 night. Maybe they're taking turn about and two of them are clean but one guy is a maniac.
I'll always give a driver the benefit of the doubt every race and give them the opportunity to race clean. If they nail me early on in the race, 9 times out of 10 I'll beat them anyway so there's nothing to lose.
Some ten year old brat whose parents have more money than sense might.
I'll always give a driver the benefit of the doubt every race and give them the opportunity to race clean. If they nail me early on in the race, 9 times out of 10 I'll beat them anyway so there's nothing to lose.
Some ten year old brat whose parents have more money than sense might.
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Don't want to tell to anybody which reply you must have with punters, but let me explain what I think.
In the beginning online, let's say 10 races, I was in "revenge acts". Finally, it was always a mess/battle/war with NO pleasure.
Now, every punter can do the same move on me again and again as I try to do clean pass (again and again). Dam ! What I am thinking?
Just that if only one punter can change his behaviour seeing that someone can race clean and, sometimes, manage to pass him anyway, it's a little victory.
Ok it's frustrating to be punted, but it's so good to do nice moves as an unfair opponent has no other options than punt you?
With inflexibles, I also do it as a new game inside the game. With constant punters, I play to avoid their bad moves, love seeing theirs cars flying ghost in the sand as I changed race line and brake points expecting theses weird moves which we are now used to. I even managed to let them go straight in the sand when they try to "close the door" as they expect me where I'm actually not, or cut widely the apex thinking I'm trying to pass on the inside.
Don't forget it's a game, so just drive to have fun
In the beginning online, let's say 10 races, I was in "revenge acts". Finally, it was always a mess/battle/war with NO pleasure.
Now, every punter can do the same move on me again and again as I try to do clean pass (again and again). Dam ! What I am thinking?
Just that if only one punter can change his behaviour seeing that someone can race clean and, sometimes, manage to pass him anyway, it's a little victory.
Ok it's frustrating to be punted, but it's so good to do nice moves as an unfair opponent has no other options than punt you?
With inflexibles, I also do it as a new game inside the game. With constant punters, I play to avoid their bad moves, love seeing theirs cars flying ghost in the sand as I changed race line and brake points expecting theses weird moves which we are now used to. I even managed to let them go straight in the sand when they try to "close the door" as they expect me where I'm actually not, or cut widely the apex thinking I'm trying to pass on the inside.
Don't forget it's a game, so just drive to have fun
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I think the noob/hack cars change with a change in online events. At first it was the Lotus by far, and then the Clio. I haven't played online recently, but I used to drive an Evo X Tuned online all the time and very few people were using Evos.
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I once tried a few goes at 750PP Daytona oval /pro, just to see if it was an easy way of earning credits quickly (limited time). I saw plenty of GTLMs doing the straights very fast
lol. The one place i see the GTs even run slightly ok overall is Daytona Speedway, even then i see them flying off the track alot as soon as T3 hits when everyones up to speed.
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Just to prove my point that punting back works. Daytona Speedway, racing was clean til i overtook an Amuse in my Vette, then he hit me in the next turn, forcing me to drift the remaining half of the turn but i stayed ahead, gave him the benefit of the doubt and carried on. Next turn same again, but he gets by this time. Next turn i hit him back, ruthlessly hitting his inside quarter on turn in, even though he should actually left me room because i was already there!, straight into the wall around he goes helplessly out of control, to quit mid way through his spinning smoking pile of deserved punishment.
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It looks like the Subaru WRX is growing in popularity (600pp)
It isn't that fast in the corners but can run down the straights.
I've been punted by a few of them who caught me down a straight but of course the noobs behind the wheel who drive "the next best thing" couldn't handle the corners or traffic so they punt me and other GTP members I'm racing with 8 times out of 10. I'm not ready to call it a noob/hack car JUST YET although it does have the potential to be the next Evolution X, Elise, Clio or GTR
It isn't that fast in the corners but can run down the straights.
I've been punted by a few of them who caught me down a straight but of course the noobs behind the wheel who drive "the next best thing" couldn't handle the corners or traffic so they punt me and other GTP members I'm racing with 8 times out of 10. I'm not ready to call it a noob/hack car JUST YET although it does have the potential to be the next Evolution X, Elise, Clio or GTR
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Any 4WD in S compound races.
Why? Try spinning out with a EVO X, good luck.
Biggest hack track: new thread, FUJI. Why? No sand, push all you want, you'll get away with it, which makes the 4WD car even more a hack car as they will never spin out on tarmac. Smash the throttle, counter steer 15 degrees, and voila.
Seriously, what's up with people with their communism approach to this game "They paid they can do whatever they want", right, sounds more like anarchy to me. I paid for my car, I can drive it how I want, eum no.
Let's face it, I've yet to see a hacker that is actually quick, he'll punt you off on one corner and you'll find him off track on the next one. So EARTH has a point, generally, noobs, that also are hackers, whether it is per lack of skill or willingness to be, it's irrelevant, tend to drive cars that are easy to pilot, such as? 4WD.
One reason why noobs/hackers tend to go with 4WD is because of their limited perspective and understanding of racing. Since PD implemented standing starts, noobs seem to think races are won on the standing start, wrong. PD shot themselves in the foot on this one, making S compound races is great, sure, but with standing starts? 2 reasons for a noob to use a 4WD, additionnally with the fact that they can be easily put the car back on the track after spinning out.
Why? Try spinning out with a EVO X, good luck.
Biggest hack track: new thread, FUJI. Why? No sand, push all you want, you'll get away with it, which makes the 4WD car even more a hack car as they will never spin out on tarmac. Smash the throttle, counter steer 15 degrees, and voila.
Seriously, what's up with people with their communism approach to this game "They paid they can do whatever they want", right, sounds more like anarchy to me. I paid for my car, I can drive it how I want, eum no.
Let's face it, I've yet to see a hacker that is actually quick, he'll punt you off on one corner and you'll find him off track on the next one. So EARTH has a point, generally, noobs, that also are hackers, whether it is per lack of skill or willingness to be, it's irrelevant, tend to drive cars that are easy to pilot, such as? 4WD.
One reason why noobs/hackers tend to go with 4WD is because of their limited perspective and understanding of racing. Since PD implemented standing starts, noobs seem to think races are won on the standing start, wrong. PD shot themselves in the foot on this one, making S compound races is great, sure, but with standing starts? 2 reasons for a noob to use a 4WD, additionnally with the fact that they can be easily put the car back on the track after spinning out.
Generalization is what separates us from the animals
I generally don't try to punt punters back, I try to outrace them if I can. Sometimes though, I do lose my temper. Then I go get my best hack car for that track and try to trounce the lunkhead for the next couple races. A couple times I've been able to just get to the front and stay there with a three or four second lead thinking "there's your d*mn Evo IX for you mf 'er - grow some and try racing my Mustang fair next time!" but I'm sure no one gets that message out of it. I don't know if it's more satisfying than knocking them into the sand but it's nice. Usually though, they're not even in the next race so I'm left using a hack car for no good reason... (other than I like my Evo's too
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Not all 4WD drivers are noobs. I love driving the Evo X, GTR, and STi simply because I like the cars. I still love drivin FR's and MR's like NSX and Ferarri 599, but I like driving the 4WD's just as much simply because they are fun to drive, and damn some of them look good =D
You sound as if you are generalising that all 4WD drivers are noobs/hackers, and if that is what you are saying, I would like to say you are wrong.
Sorry if I did misinterpret you.
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Then you need to race more often.
Occasionally you'll see one actually win and completely obliterate everyone else.A properly driven GT LM will own anything at Suzuka by at least a second a lap.
I've even raced against Trek450 on the odd occasion, and he/she drives the GT.
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Then you need to race more often.
A properly driven GT LM will own anything at Suzuka by at least a second a lap.
I've even raced against Trek450 on the odd occasion, and he/she drives the GT.
I take my GT onto suzuka 750 when I can't be bothered wrestling with 4wd's in 600pp. Any tuned mines or evos on there are usually a distant pixel on my mirror
by the time we reach T1
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I take my GT onto suzuka 750 when I can't be bothered wrestling with 4wd's in 600pp. Any tuned mines or evos on there are usually a distant pixel on my mirror
by the time we reach T1
Cool, dude. Too bad we can't play together (early adopter, stuck with Japanese NTSC version)
Hey, could you do me a favor?
What's the #1 time for the Online F2007 Eiger time trial? I get the feeling that the japanese rankings aren't very competitive anymore...I wanna see where I place in the world
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Then you need to race more often.
A properly driven GT LM will own anything at Suzuka by at least a second a lap.
I've even raced against Trek450 on the odd occasion, and he/she drives the GT.
I said overall attention to detail my friend, i didn't mean everyone. I know theyre the fastest car on track.
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Heh! Gotta agree - 99.9% of the ones I see don't seem to be able to make it past the first bend. I get kinda smug when I take one out cos it must shock the crap out most of the people who see it actually staying on track and then proceeding to leave them in the dust. 
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And you're making a rule out of an exception.
Are we playing the same game here? I've yet to come across a clean and fast 4WD driver outside of GTP, none.
I don't care if you find them fun to drive, or you love them, the fact is this, when I'll be making a pass on you, step out of the way, because you have no chance when in a EVO X against a properly driven GT Test.
99% of online 4WD drivers are either noobs, or hackers. There you have it, now proove me wrong and I'll shut up.
