The complaining has to stop.

[gaming25]

It's not boring, it's stupidly demanding and hard. They have leagues and races going on all the time.
I'm assuming you've never played it since your argument against it is subjective. It's like saying you don't like the corvette cause someone told you it's unstable.

I never said whether or not I like Iracing. I was just giving you an example of how GT5 physics are a lot more fun to people since you said that "a sim is a sim" or something like that.

 

[GT_Prologue5]

lol I love teh internetz. An OP complaining about all the complainers.. 💡

There's a fine line between complaining and reason. Whether some can figure it out isn't my worry. I don't care if you find something you can't play the game without. We CAN play the game with 800 standards, and maybe some less tracks, because you drive the car on the track. There shouldn't be something in between your enjoyment of driving in its marvel. If you love GT, and I bet all of you do, then play the game. I don't care if you complain, just ponder this before you go off:

"Do I honestly care? Do I really care about it, or do I just want to say what everyone else is saying?"

Not saying you shouldn't have a complaint, but you have to admit this, a lot of the complaints are a bit oblivious.

And what does "OP" mean?

 

[eSZee]

I never said whether or not I like Iracing. I was just giving you an example of how GT5 physics are a lot more fun to people since you said that "a sim is a sim" or something like that.

If the physics are realistic, how can they be fun for one game but not the other?
I'm playing need4speed hot pursuit, that has fun physics.

 

[gaming25]

If the physics are realistic, how can they be fun for one game but not the other?
I'm playing need4speed hot pursuit, that has fun physics.

And I told you that it was about preference a few posts ago.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

I think it is odd how many people are complaining without having actually seen the game. I am dissapointed by a few things but it is no big deal. I knew I would be as when something is hyped as much as GT5 surely something that I was hoping would be there will not be. On the positive side however there is a lot there and we really have no idea what the online system will be like. If it is good online and we can have competive races in a variety of cars then it will be a great game. If not then it don't matter how many cars have cockpits nor rim changes nor engine swaps. Online racing is the thing that will keep a game alive for a very long time if it is done right.

 

[scandisk]

excuse me

when i drive around in the rain, in the REAL world, i dont see any reflections at all either...

yes i do in the very big water puddles.. but hey ...

asphalt just doesnt reflect water very clearly. sorry

Some apologists would even go far saying "STANDARD CARS LOOK BETTER THAN ANY GT5P CARS"

keep dreaming

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

Some apologist would even go far saying "STANDARD CARS LOOK BETTER THAN ANY GT5P CARS"

keep dreaming

It is true that in the "daytime" you do not see many reflections on the road surface when it is wet. The road itself does appear a bit shinny if it is very wet but that is about it. During the nighttime of course is much different as the lights reflect off the water quite a lot.

 

[gaming25]

lol I love teh internetz. An OP complaining about all the complainers.. 💡

This is the tenth time that I have seen this, so I will address it. Other than the fact it is part of literary language (irony) it is rather pointless to point that out otherwise. I have an argument and then talking about what is wrong with the complaining OF THE GAME. I am not complaining about the the word "complaining", so unless you are talking about irony, then this shouldnt be considered as hypocritical or ownage for anyone.

 

[scandisk]

It is true that in the "daytime" you do not see many reflections on the road surface when it is wet. The road itself does appear a bit shinny if it is very wet but that is about it. During the nighttime of course is much different as the lights reflect off the water quite a lot.

What I was saying is that the roads doesn't look like wet at all. Sure It doesn't have to be uber reflective but I didn't see any indications (or my eyes where just playin on me) that the they're wet.

 

[scope72]

Replying to the OP: I agree with you on some level. Personally, I think people complain way to much. However, it is their right to. And many of the complaints are legit.

Lately my way of dealing with it is to come by here less. I stay out of a lot of topics and I'm finding other sites to find my news. However, GTP will calm down, a lot of the trolls will leave, a lot of the ignorance will leave, and this place will turn into a much better place. A place where complaining is done without motives, and with far less ignorance.

Plus, once the game comes out, people (GTP) will have something to do. They will break into leagues, set up tune shops, participate in the WRS, share photos, show eachother their new track, and.....

still complain. Just a lot less.

 

[objp]

I never said whether or not I like Iracing. I was just giving you an example of how GT5 physics are a lot more fun to people since you said that "a sim is a sim" or something like that.

GT physics are "more fun" because they're not very realistic. People don't like it when its hard, but if everyone is good at it, what's the point?

 

[toMsonsLLC]

This is the tenth time that I have seen this, so I will address it. Other than the fact it is part of literary language (irony) it is rather pointless to point that out otherwise. I have an argument and then talking about what is wrong with the complaining OF THE GAME. I am not complaining about the the word "complaining", so unless you are talking about irony, then this shouldnt be considered as hypocritical or ownage for anyone.

You're the hypocrite. Just shhh, and stop talking. People like you are annoying. Let people say what we want. If we want to say GT5 sucks because you cannot change wheels on 80%+ of the cars in the game, SO BE IT! Do yourself a favor and just leave your own thread. You're a blind franchise fanboy.

Some people just hate when people share their frustration about things that have been short handed in this game. Some things just scream idiocy though. First off, the whole wheel thing, way stupid by PD. Two, no cam on the hood. This is something easy to do, yet they somehow forgot. Replays, yea, lets include it but forget about playing with it! These little things that make an impact should be mad fun out of as PD messed up. They didn't mess up with premium and standard cars, as they just don't have time to make all cars inside and out premium. But what is laziness is they not even redoing the logos so they don't look like they're 8 bit or something. My frustrations are about PD being stupid and lazy. They know what the fans expect, and that is at very minimum what the last game had. Wheels, kinda a big deal to GT fans. Now no one with the game finding 400/1000 meter tests, nor the top speed test. For some reason this has been taken out. Things that GT people are accustomed to are what people really complain about. I mean, I cannot think why these aren't in the game. Stupid PD. They make the stupid Top Gear Test Track, but don't move over the tests. They just totally cut the old test track from the game and don't blink on the other features they cut other than just the simple track.

And the next big thing people complain about other than things they grow accustomed to is what they promise you. You say something like realistic damage, mechanically and physically. People will now expect that to the letter. And no one with copies has noticed anything from extensive damage. Only damage so far is to premium cars and it's SLIGHT physical damage.

So you see, it's all PD's fault for not delivering what is expected and what they taunt the fans with. End 'O story!

 

[Peter]

As bad as the GT5 forum may be, it's still inferior to the Codemasters F1 2010 forum. That place is just absolutely horrible. And it's not, nor will it ever get better. The mods seem to be asleep all the time.

 

[gaming25]

You're the hypocrite. Just shhh, and stop talking. People like you are annoying. Let people say what we want. If we want to say GT5 sucks because you cannot change wheels on 80%+ of the cars in the game, SO BE IT! Do yourself a favor and just leave your own thread. You're a blind franchise fanboy.

Some people just hate when people share their frustration about things that have been short handed in this game. Some things just scream idiocy though. First off, the whole wheel thing, way stupid by PD. Two, no cam on the hood. This is something easy to do, yet they somehow forgot. Replays, yea, lets include it but forget about playing with it! These little things that make an impact should be mad fun out of as PD messed up. They didn't mess up with premium and standard cars, as they just don't have time to make all cars inside and out premium. But what is laziness is they not even redoing the logos so they don't look like they're 8 bit or something. My frustrations are about PD being stupid and lazy. They know what the fans expect, and that is at very minimum what the last game had. Wheels, kinda a big deal to GT fans. Now no one with the game finding 400/1000 meter tests, nor the top speed test. For some reason this has been taken out. Things that GT people are accustomed to are what people really complain about. I mean, I cannot think why these aren't in the game. Stupid PD. They make the stupid Top Gear Test Track, but don't move over the tests. They just totally cut the old test track from the game and don't blink on the other features they cut other than just the simple track.

And the next big thing people complain about other than things they grow accustomed to is what they promise you. You say something like realistic damage, mechanically and physically. People will now expect that to the letter. And no one with copies has noticed anything from extensive damage. Only damage so far is to premium cars and it's SLIGHT physical damage.

So you see, it's all PD's fault for not delivering what is expected and what they taunt the fans with. End 'O story!

"PD being stupid and lazy"

Yet another quote that cant be proved whatsoever. You praise them for having the most crucial and difficult tasks down pat, but yet you call them being "stupid and lazy"?

"These little things that make an impact should be mad fun out of as PD messed up."

Right, you mentioned 3 little things. So thats hardly any reason to be up at arms about the game.

 

[benwaballs]

lol i love that people are still going at it in this thread! i thought it was started as a joke

 

[scope72]

You're the hypocrite. Just shhh, and stop talking. People like you are annoying. Let people say what we want. If we want to say GT5 sucks because you cannot change wheels on 80%+ of the cars in the game, SO BE IT! Do yourself a favor and just leave your own thread. You're a blind franchise fanboy.

Some people just hate when people share their frustration about things that have been short handed in this game. Some things just scream idiocy though. First off, the whole wheel thing, way stupid by PD. Two, no cam on the hood. This is something easy to do, yet they somehow forgot. Replays, yea, lets include it but forget about playing with it! These little things that make an impact should be mad fun out of as PD messed up. They didn't mess up with premium and standard cars, as they just don't have time to make all cars inside and out premium. But what is laziness is they not even redoing the logos so they don't look like they're 8 bit or something. My frustrations are about PD being stupid and lazy. They know what the fans expect, and that is at very minimum what the last game had. Wheels, kinda a big deal to GT fans. Now no one with the game finding 400/1000 meter tests, nor the top speed test. For some reason this has been taken out. Things that GT people are accustomed to are what people really complain about. I mean, I cannot think why these aren't in the game. Stupid PD. They make the stupid Top Gear Test Track, but don't move over the tests. They just totally cut the old test track from the game and don't blink on the other features they cut other than just the simple track.

And the next big thing people complain about other than things they grow accustomed to is what they promise you. You say something like realistic damage, mechanically and physically. People will now expect that to the letter. And no one with copies has noticed anything from extensive damage. Only damage so far is to premium cars and it's SLIGHT physical damage.

So you see, it's all PD's fault for not delivering what is expected and what they taunt the fans with. End 'O story!

You called someone a hypocrite and were hypocritical in the first paragraph of this post. How is that even possible?

 

[SavageEvil]

Wow, seriously wasting time with thread. Everyone has an opinion and most people complain more than anything else. Like complaining is going to change anything by the time this game ships. I've realized that this isn't just online, but actually everywhere in society people complain for the smallest of things. Maybe you could focus that energy and make steps toward addressing the issues instead of going into every thread to air the same grievances 20 plus times, come on now?

Complaints are always valid, but when it's just the same thing being spewed by 600 people it's just tiresome to read as I'm guessing people are too lazy to read at least two pages prior...seriously I'm pretty sure you people can actually read and saw someone actually spoke of what you are complaining about. What's worse is the defender of complaints, with more rhetoric than a politician. Even you can understand that a complaint is a complaint, but people here tend to get carried away with "pointing out flaws". Just because you pointed it out 6 times today, and defended it 20 more times the next doesn't make it more apparent...just makes the flaw less of an issue and more of you having a problem with things that cannot be changed with the product.

Definition of insanity is doing the same thing the same way repeatedly and expecting a different result. Don't get me wrong, I have complaints about GT5 and many people have pointed out most of them...thing is as soon as a thread dealing with bringing to a head all the known issues and putting them out there so PD might take notice, I'll be in there giving what I think needs looking at. But sitting online and spewing the same rhetoric constantly begs you to question your own motives. You can spend your life complaining about shortcomings or not taking them so seriously that you forget to enjoy your life. It's still a game and created by humans who as far as I know still have never reached perfection in anything they put their hands to.

Many of you take your own opinions a little too seriously, I have my own opinions but doesn't matter what I think, to each his own. Just remember there is a limit to everything. Let's not get too carried away.

 

[dalejrfanfreak]

The amount of complaining in these forums have become ridiculous. The whining and moaning about your favorite car, etc not being in the game is terrible.

For example: There was an article on N4G about new info on GT5 and comments addressed this issue about GTP users complaining. And they were really shocked at how ridiculous the whining has become on GTP. When the people from N4G are even shocked by the amount of bickering going on in this forum, you know that there is a problem. And you know why, because what has been going on isnt a critique, but complaining as if PD shouldve included what you wanted into this game. They gave this game so much content and detail, that people dont realize that they already have the best sim racer around BY FAR, and that they are doing things that would be done for a NEXT GEN game!!!!!! And what it really comes down to is this...

PD didnt tell you that the all cars would have interior. You did.
PD didnt tell you that all standards will be just like premiums. You did.
PD didnt say that they were including every track from past GTs. You did.
PD didnt say that all sport cars would be premiums. You did.
PD didnt tell you that all of your favorite cars would be in the game. You did.
PD didnt claim that the Buggati Veyron just had to be premium. You did.
PD didnt say that every single region would get the same rate of cars You did.
PD never promised all of the supercars would be premium. You did.

And you know what? Many of the complainers will think that I am saying that they are wrong for wanting something else to be in the game. I AM NOT SAYING THAT AT ALL. The point is that people are upset with PD, and attacking them out of the blue when something that wasnt even promised to them wasnt in the game. That is what is ridiculous about all of this. And hopefully when GT5 comes out, all of the complainers will realized that what they were complaining about wasnt even that big of a deal.

I don't comment on here much, but I totally agree with you. The most die-hard gt fanboys have been out of hand over the past couple of years promising this and that to people on countless forums and it is now those very people who are upset that PD can't deliver on something, which I see as un-fair to demand giving the amount of content we will receive. The only expectation that Sony let me down on was the original release date, everything else has been expected as long as I ignored some internet fanboy's dream of GT5.

It's SICKENING that THIS is the place we will find the most negative comments. Out of all the places on the internet THIS place should be the happiest! We're going to be playing this game next week AFTER SIX YEARS! What about all of you that defended GT over the years on your free nights?! Are you all of a sudden going to turn on the game when in less than a week it will once again be the king of driving simulators? Are you not going to boastfully spread the early good news of the game on forums so you can finally feel good about all of those long posts you created to defend GT5 against all of those false accusations and insults?

Are you really going to say that after your demands of damage, online play, weather, day to night transitions, a cockpit view, skid marks, reverse lights, horns, NASCAR (hehe), etc. have been met that you are now going to spend your time demanding even more as you tear down those features that are a first for PD?

Worst of all is how you guys repay those who are spending all of their time to give us the inside scoop before the games comes out! You're insulting them, calling them names, and expecting them to answer everything for us in a day! Who cares if most of those videos were from arcade mode?! They were AWESOME!!! Heck these guys are the ones risking their necks and letting you know everything about the game before you have to make a choice to buy it.

At the end of the day I really hope that these complainers will put their money with their mouth is. If you're so upset about some car or track missing that you are going to throw a huge internet temper tantrum then do me a favor and don't buy GT5 because most of us don't need some whiner racing against us online.

 

[eSZee]

At the end of the day I really hope that these complainers will put their money with their mouth is. If you're so upset about some car or track missing that you are going to throw a huge internet temper tantrum then do me a favor and don't buy GT5 because most of us don't need some whiner racing against us online.

Here we go again.

 

[gaming25]

Here we go again.

He was talking about people who throw a huge internet tantrum.

 

[Terronium-12]

Counterproductive is what this thread is.

 

[SavageWhiteDude]

Perhaps you should create a forum called "OnlyGoodStuffAboutGT5.com"?

Its almost comical how poorly you comprehended my post. I even made it a point to say I am perfectly okay with legitimate issues being discussed in a mature fashion.

 

[SavageWhiteDude]

You're the hypocrite. Just shhh, and stop talking. People like you are annoying. Let people say what we want. If we want to say GT5 sucks because you cannot change wheels on 80%+ of the cars in the game, SO BE IT! Do yourself a favor and just leave your own thread.

LOL Talk about a hypocrite! First you tell him to "shhh" and "be quiet" and then you order him to let people say what they want. You contradicted yourself and it only took you three sentences. That is quite sad...

Edit:Sorry about the double post. My Droid is working amazing today...

 

[PAPPACLART]

If people want to complain then let them IMO! This is a public forum, and every member has a unique view and hope to what GT5 will be. We all want different things out of life, and equally on a lower level the same applies for the games we play. If constant complaining bugs you then nobody is forcing you to read what they say. To the OP, I guess just like the complainers, you are entitled to complain about them too.

GT will never be 100% the vision of what I want it to be, but I know it will be the best GT yet, and despite it not having all the things I want, I will still enjoy playing it, and look forward to DLC and GT6 to bring me features that GT5 may not deliver. :-)

 

[GT_Prologue5]

Counterproductive is what this thread is.

It's people solving a problem by causing the problem. The best way to fix this is, is frankly, close the thread.

 

[Devedander]

Its almost comical how poorly you comprehended my post. I even made it a point to say I am perfectly okay with legitimate issues being discussed in a mature fashion.

You are right, I read it too fast and got the wrong gist. Apologies.

That said, every time I see somethign devolve from a mature discussion it is at the hands of someone who hates complainers and seeks to tell them they are wrong for complaining, which invariably evokes a negative response.

So perhaps onlygoodthingsaboutgt5.com would be a good idea since it is those who feel the need to prevent negative things about GT5 from being brought up that cause the situation to spiral down... segregate them into their own little world and we can all exist reasonably and happily out here.

 

[AudioProject]

I'm surprised that anyone is SURPRISED about the complaining. A product that is delayed as much as GT5 did is gonna have alot of anticipation from its fan, and like people said, "well the delay is ok, because that means when the game finally gets released it will be perfect"<--- that was pretty much the prevailing thought and what kept alot of people patient during the waiting periods. Naturally, the longer PD talked about it and delayed it and kept how advanced the game would be, their extreme attention to detail, and how perhaps the game would be better for the PS4, the more hype was building up. Now, when the game is released ater 5 years in the making and does not include some major supercars, or a full lineup of "completed" cars (premium) people are gonna question what the heck PD was doing all this time. It seems that there was poor time managament on this project. Yes the game is still top notch, but you can't really blame the fans for being upset, because they were very patient with PD through all the delays, maintaining high confidence in PD because Kaz spoke of how he was a perfectionist.

 

[GT_Prologue5]

^The problem with Kazunori being a perfectionist is the fact that he was really pressured to release the game. If everyone gave him some more time, it would have been better. Play GT5, and then wait for Gran Turismo 6.

 

[KilzoneStrife]

There is a fine line between complaining and constructive critism. One is destructive, the other is productive. Ive see a few whiners, but many are concerned hardcore fans that are dissapointed. Btw, with reguards to N4G, Im on N4G.. I really only saw one person mention whats happening. Dissapointment is a hard pill to swallow and the PD PR team has used a lot of bait and switch tactics as well as ambiguous statements that frankly, pisses people off.

 

[Devedander]

^The problem with Kazunori being a perfectionist is the fact that he was really pressured to release the game. If everyone gave him some more time, it would have been better. Play GT5, and then wait for Gran Turismo 6.

Actually I think the problem with Kaz being a perfectionist is that a project manager needs to be able to balance intersests, not let tunnel vision set in on certain aspects, thus compromising the entire product...

Clearly a lot of attention was skewed towards certain areas at the cost of others... and those other areas were not meaningless nothing areas either... they were very much meat of the game areas.