The Damage Thread - Best Buy Demo, Now Thats More Like It!

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Not necessarily hatin on Forza videos really, anytime people play video games now days and find glitches they put it on YouTube.

Yeah but right around the FM3 demo the anti Forza people were out in full flock rolling cars around, posting glitches, laughing at damage that happens even when you are a few feet away and saying how this proves T10 and their rushed release scheme is a stupid way to do things and why GT5 is worth waiting for becuase it will be done right and it will be perfect.

You know how it goes...
 
Uh, you take it personally? why? ;)
I don't take anything or anyone in this section of the forum, personally or seriously.
Could you point me on all those false comments?
From the amount you've posted, there's not enough time. Although The_Paladin can probably find the one where you took a crack at Forza's rollover feature without knowing it was the user manipulating it.

Also I knew that the previous vid was just cosmetic and I agree in everything what CAMARO has said, but hope you noticed that we were speaking about cosmetic damage! deformations, broken parts and all that. We know very little about mechanical damage in GT5 to compare.
You weren't & neither was the person you quoted.
You said the people complaining about GT's damage model were Forza fans who never complained about it's damage. You followed it by posting the 2 videos.

It's pretty well known by now (or should be by anyone paying attention) that you don't seem to care for anything Forza did.
 
Yeah but right around the FM3 demo the anti Forza people were out in full flock rolling cars around, posting glitches, laughing at damage that happens even when you are a few feet away and saying how this proves T10 and their rushed release scheme is a stupid way to do things and why GT5 is worth waiting for becuase it will be done right and it will be perfect.

You know how it goes...

Alot of people posting these videos are Forza 3 owners, not just rabid GT5/Sony 'fanboys'. Time will tell to see how polished GT5 is, nothing can be perfect, but you cannot sit there with a straight face and tell me that Forza 3 doesn't have a fairly big list of glitches and couldn't of used more time fixing and polishing issues.
 
Alot of people posting these videos are Forza 3 owners, not just rabid GT5/Sony 'fanboys'. Time will tell to see how polished GT5 is, nothing can be perfect, but you cannot sit there with a straight face and tell me that Forza 3 doesn't have a fairly big list of glitches and couldn't of used more time fixing and polishing issues.

A lot were and are, but the timing of when they came out and how they were introduced says volumes... many were listed on youtube as flopza fails and LOL fails... kinda says something... and the comments around here were often from non Forza players just laughing at what a poor job T10 did with their rushed release.

No question FM3 has some problems, it's more the line of "hah, they did it wrong, PD and KY do it right and would never let anything like that happen" that I groaned at then and still groan at now even after all the news we have gotten and after the part line has changed from "T10 does it wrong and PD does it right" to "PD ran out of time and money and the PS3 is old hardware" ;)
 
I dunno... something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktjQmcmLjTQ

I seem to remember there being a Nascar video but you know around FM3 release there were quite a few hatin on Forza videos floating around so hard to be sure.

I think some people were more or less laughing at the floating cars glitch and the stuck in the floor glitch than that one to be honest. I was not laughing though as i owned the game. In fact I might have said the same thing I will say at the end of this post.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYzDFdU2Ung

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIeqSEVQzY8

At the end of the day, all big games will have glitches, that's pretty much guaranteed. As long as they dont spoil the overall experience I am not too bothered. I read about quite a lot of bugs in FM3 over at forzamotorsports.net and the official site, I encountered not that many ingame to be honest, sometimes frustrating, sometimes funny. At the time, would I have liked T10 to take longer to iron out these bugs? Not really no. In retrospect, would I have liked T10 to take longer to iron out these bugs. Not really no.
 
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So the damage that we'll see in GT5 should never be upgraded for GT6, GT7? You want PD to only work on the damage for GT5 and forget about it for future games?

What on Nora Battys grave are you on about?
 
I think some people were more or less laughing at the floating cars glitch and the stuck in the floor glitch than that one to be honest. I was not laughing though as i owned the game. In fact I might have said the same thing I will say at the end of this post.

At the end of the day, all big games will have glitches, that's pretty much guaranteed. As long as they dont spoil the overall experience I am not too bothered. I read about quite a lot of bugs in FM3 over at forzamotorsports.net and the official site, I encountered not that many ingame to be honest, sometimes frustrating, sometimes funny. At the time, would I have liked T10 to take longer to iron out these bugs? Not really no. In retrospect, would I have liked T10 to take longer to iron out these bugs. Not really no.

I could have sworn there was literally one that looked just like this GT one where a car just hops in the air for no reason but needless to say, yes there were a lot of videos around.

And yes, pretty much every game will have glitches and how often you run into them varies... no one is immune and there are many reasons they crop up... the assumption that somehow PD or KY were immune was questionable at best but pretty heavily flaunted when judging how poorly T10 made FM around here at the time.
 
Turn 10 got a lot of hate for being "definitive" and claiming "the torch had been passed". They opened themselves to intense scrutiny... Gran Turismo is open to scrutinity for being the premier/biggest racing game on any platform, really.
 
I don't take anything or anyone in this section of the forum, personally or seriously.

From the amount you've posted, there's not enough time. Although The_Paladin can probably find the one where you took a crack at Forza's rollover feature without knowing it was the user manipulating it.


You weren't & neither was the person you quoted.
You said the people complaining about GT's damage model were Forza fans who never complained about it's damage. You followed it by posting the 2 videos.

It's pretty well known by now (or should be by anyone paying attention) that you don't seem to care for anything Forza did.
Well it does not seem it.

I see you are assuming that I didn't know obvious things, sorry I will make more clear in the next posts to avoid confusions. I did know about the manipulating rollovers since the demo(was a well know feature), you mean this post and the last thing I wanted to point was the rollover animation. We were discussing about the level of damage(now is clear that he was wrong). Again people pick what they want. Other times I don't reply a post when I have nothing more to add or when I become tired of arguing the same again and again or when I get disconnected for days and don't want to bring back a topic that is no more the topic of the thread.

Well I can say the same... its' pretty well know that you take more care about what forza did than what GT5 is doing.
 
What on Nora Battys grave are you on about?

"How come now they need several stabs at it to get it right, as some are putting it". I thought you directed this towards me. If you did, it clearly sounds like you're saying that PD should get things right the first time and only the first time.
 
Are you on about this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KqLB62GIus I'm pretty sure your not but I thought i'd ask anyway.

Nope, could have sworn there was one where the car literally lept up in the air, but maybe I am mis remembering and it was a glitch from another game? I can't find it now either so I may just be off my rocker...

"How come now they need several stabs at it to get it right, as some are putting it". I thought you directed this towards me. If you did, it clearly sounds like you're saying that PD should get things right the first time and only the first time.

I thought he was referring to the fact that often the fans credit PD and KY with being infallible perfectionists who take their time to get whatever they try right and not just release something half done or "good enough" and the fact that with so many other studios getting cosmetic damage good to great already over the years, they have a lot of options to study from potentially giving them some shoulders to stand on.
 
Well this goes again and again and again........

Anyway you people should relax a bit,It's just a game after all sensible to human error and systems errors, However they should work on some glitches on some technical parts of the game,I will tell you something that happen to me on an endurance race on Forza 3 (never happened on FM2 yet somehow they screw it up on that one),so here it goes:

"well you may know an A class race over Suzuka with 29 laps (a short endurance but with mandatory pit stop),well all cars have to do pit stops and change tires,the problem was that at lap 15 I pit,then some AI pit as well,but then somehow the position of the race suddenly drop from 1st to 4th without any car passing over the main straight,I was a lap ahead from the second place yet the overtake me and I had to overtake them again,but no use bacuse it seem that they have already 5 laps over me,I lost that race and had to do it again with the same car but I pit on lap 10 then it work fine"

What I want to point out its that PD should concentrate on fixing those bugs,you dont want to see a 24hrs race with some system behaviour like that(I kill myself If they make a cock of that size,Imagine that ,missing classes to end up in a glitchy second place) :nervous:
 
I seriously hope the best buy demo is far from the final product.

In this video the players car gets damaged in the rear at the start before he turns around to go the wrong direction but in the replay the damage is gone?? Also his car disappears into the pit wall at one stage and that glitchy car he crashes head on with looks scary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm2gFLrMHyI
 
I seriously hope the best buy demo is far from the final product.

In this video the players car gets damaged in the rear at the start before he turns around to go the wrong direction but in the replay the damage is gone?? Also his car disappears into the pit wall at one stage and that glitchy car he crashes head on with looks scary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm2gFLrMHyI

Actually on closer inspection it looks like damage is off entirely for the replay somehow... not only is his car pristine when he starts driving the wrong way as you mention, even after the head on collision the car still looks fine...
 
I do not understand why people are comparing with Forza :confused: Physics are more arcadey and the crashes, damage are scripted and not real at all. Definitely GT5 damage is better. Sure GT5 need to make crashes more spectacular. People like cars flying around and car taking serious damage lol
 
Actually on closer inspection it looks like damage is off entirely for the replay somehow... not only is his car pristine when he starts driving the wrong way as you mention, even after the head on collision the car still looks fine...

oh god your right.... i stopped watching it after the start :lol:

What on earth is up with that??
 
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"How come now they need several stabs at it to get it right, as some are putting it". I thought you directed this towards me. If you did, it clearly sounds like you're saying that PD should get things right the first time and only the first time.

Some people say that PD won't impliment something unless it's done right. I thought I can see sense in.

Others say there learning and it's a beta type thing and were all on an incredible journey to gaming nirvana.

This place is just confusing.
 
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oh god your right.... i stopped watching it after the start :lol:

What on earth is up with that??
The 'demo' is not final code, it has features disabled since it's a work in progress. We've seen damage in replays before, so we can expect it in the full game.
 
Some people say that PD won't impliment something unless it's done right. I thought I can see sense in.

Others say there learning and it's a beta type thing and were all on an incredible journey to gaming nivana.

Can't have both ways now can we.
PD have took the time to implement a damage model that's 'realistic' in that it's procedural not pre-baked, so they did it right. Of course nobody is perfect, and nor are the features they implement - but with iteration we can look forward to it getting better since they have a great base to work from. It won't need major re-writes, it can be expanded upon and improved.

So I don't see how doing it right, and pointing out that this is only the first iteration is mutually exclusive stances.
 
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PD have took the time to implement a damage model that's 'realistic' in that it's procedural not pre-baked, so they did it right. Of course nobody is perfect, and nor are the features they implement - but with iteration we can look forward to it getting better since they have a great base to work from. It won't need major re-writes, it can be expanded upon and improved.

So I don't see how doing it right, and pointing out that this is only the first iteration is mutually exclusive stances.

I can see sense I what you say.

When other games are learning there trade, they however suck.
There not on a trail to gaming nirvana.

Maybe I shouldn't be surprised it is after all a GT related website.
 
PD have took the time to implement a damage model that's 'realistic' in that it's procedural not pre-baked, so they did it right. Of course nobody is perfect, and nor are the features they implement - but with iteration we can look forward to it getting better since they have a great base to work from. It won't need major re-writes, it can be expanded upon and improved.

So I don't see how doing it right, and pointing out that this is only the first iteration is mutually exclusive stances.

The problem is that on an almost daily basis, someone chimes in with a post like this and says matter of factly how it is.

PD have done this so it's ok.

This feature was supposed to be like this so they did good.

This is PD we are talking about, stop worrying.

They just ran out of time what would you expect?

The problem is often these statements as fact are conflicting and usually it's becuase when they are made, they are made by someone who is saying whatever sounds good for PD at the time.

In isolation these statements may sound reasonable and believable, but then when you step back and look at the big picture you realize they are just part of a train of ever changing "facts" that all have one thing in common:

They explain why PD isn't wrong or doing poorly and why you are wrong for thinking they are.

Except as I said... the facts often contradict one another...

(Paraphrasing)
One day the whiners need to shut up becuase KY is a god and PD's track record speaks for itself, GT5 will be perfection! FACT!

Then a few weeks later whiners need to shutup GT is only human, there just wasnt enough time and 200 Premium cars is still more than almost any other game out there. This is what makes GT great. FACT!

Then a few months later the whiners need to shutup becuase this is just PDs first attempt at doing this and it's realistic damage doens't mean it necessarily really looks realistic, it just means it's not canned damage. FACT!

See the problem there? The only thing that doesn't contradict form one comment to another is that the person who is whining about whiners, despite often being different people, is always coming up with a reason/excuse why it's not really a bad thing.

Basically every few days someone tells you that you are basically an idiot for not seeing it their way despite a few days ago someone else saying you are an idiot for not seeing it THEIR (contradictory) way and in a few days yet someone else will come along with yet another contradictory statement and tell you you are a fool if you don't see it their (again contradicting) way.
 
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DAMAGE!!!!!

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My suggestion for anyone who finds faith & trust in Polyphony Digital too much to swallow is to simply avoid sites dedicated to their games. It's inevitable you're going to come across people who are fans of their work, people who aren't neutral in their support and for whom PD have earned their respect.

None of the comments you've paraphrased and taken out of context seem unreasonable to me - particularly when you factor in fandom - and I personally don't believe there's anything wrong with giving those who've earned it the benefit of the doubt.

When other games are learning there trade, they however suck.
There not on a trail to gaming nirvana.
I didn't say that did I. Besides, those perceived to be on top have huge expectations placed upon their shoulders, so it's not exactly a bed of roses.
 
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