The Damage Thread - Best Buy Demo, Now Thats More Like It!

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Problem is that people don't think enough and jump on conclusions too fast. When Kaz says "I want to have day/night cycles in the next Gran Turismo", it will take minutes for people to claim that he promised that. So if it won't come for GT5 (which we don't know yet, since there is no official, complete feature list to this day), people will be disappointed. Problem is that they rarely ever promise anything. The hole you speak of was dug by fans and haters which didn't think clearly.

Actually, it's very simple. If you think the game is good enough and you can put up with waiting for it, go and buy it. If you think it was surpassed by the competition, go and buy the competition. And you're welcome to post your views on things on a forum like this, but repeating it over and over won't help. Everyone has his or her own opinion.

Explain this then, when Kaz says that he will only do damage when he they can do it right. So when you hear that damage will only on some cars what does that make you think? Is that doing damage right? How about online also, I think its just going to be bumper cars all day
 
Explain this then, when Kaz says that he will only do damage when he they can do it right. So when you hear that damage will only on some cars what does that make you think?
It makes me think that he didn't put damage in stock cars because the manufacturers asked him not to. That's the argument he has alwawys used. I always found it shady, and I still do. But you don't see me whining about it, because I don't see how you would benefit from reading that. Of course I don't find Gran Turismo perfect as it is, but it won't get better by posting over and over how disappointed I am (which I'm not, since I knew what was coming), especially when noone knows the final state yet. The problem with the Internet and forums in general is that people talk too much rubbish because they can.

How about online also, I think its just going to be bumper cars all day
please explain!
 
I can tell you the difference, over 1000 cars to over 400 cars, 16 cars to 8 cars etc etc etc. Thats what has been going on in the years of development.

Also regards the paint shop, I don't know about that, for me personally I don't care, I think it may not happen as Sony will likely be against having Anime Porn in their flagship game.
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I see a 1000 cars is going to be nice, but im just wondering how many will be repeats and skylines lol

the 16 cars is nice but online will not be, bumperfest

Forza Fan boys are gonna be all over us. Well at least we have graphics down pact lol
 
cicohipe - Please refrain from slipping into txtspk contractions. I've noted it in several of your posts now. You clearly have the ability to type English properly, so please do so for all of your words. And don't swear - even in the contracted form you just used.

Ooops won't happen again, i actually only just noticed you warn me.



The PS3 is selling extremely well and is 20% ahead of the 360 at the same point in its life.

I'm not 100% sure on dates but i am sure on figures as sourced from vgchartz.com

xbox360 - 31.3m sold worldwide
ps3 - 23.16m sold worldwide

Now you may well be right about the ps3 being up based on the same time, but i think that's irrelevant. It's not helping sony sell games right now.
 
Well the news gets worse and worse, I dont see how anyone can be content with a half finished game. If a game has damage it has damage everywhere, if a game has next gen car models then they are all next gen.

What is stupid is this really might turn into GT4 HD. I dont mind having 800 cars from GT4 provided they are rebuilt from the ground up models. If there are going to be races with some cars looking great and some just looking like PS2 in HD then thats appauling.

As for the damage have you ever seen a game which has damage on select cars! every current gen racing game has damage in one form or another and none of them have a problem in implementing it. Now if GT's damage was insanely detailed then I could understand it being on a few select cars but just having doors and bumpers fall off there is no reason why every car doesnt have damage apart from them just being lazy.

So as it stands it took PD 5 years to port GT4 and add 100 cars, thats what im seeing right now. Im a big GT fan like most here and for the first time in the series I feel slightly let down because PD aimed too high and so far have not delivered anywhere near what was expected considering the release is meant to be before the end of this year.

Robin.
 
It makes me think that he didn't put damage in stock cars because the manufacturers asked him not to. That's the argument he has alwawys used. I always found it shady, and I still do. But you don't see me whining about it, because I don't see how you would benefit from reading that.

Of course I don't find Gran Turismo perfect as it is, but it won't get better by posing over and over how disappointed I am, especially when noone knows the final state yet. The problem with the Internet and forums in general is that people talk too much rubbish because they can.

please explain!


Yea i heard that one from him alot, its starting to get lame. I want to know whats the deal this time. The game would benefit from it because it would be a complete Driving Simulator

I didnt say I was disappointed, just saying that maybe all the right choices were not made by PD in regards to Damage and other aspect of the game.

I want IGN to post the full interview with him
 
Well the news gets worse and worse, I dont see how anyone can be content with a half finished game. If a game has damage it has damage everywhere, if a game has next gen car models then they are all next gen.

What is stupid is this really might turn into GT4 HD. I dont mind having 800 cars from GT4 provided they are rebuilt from the ground up models. If there are going to be races with some cars looking great and some just looking like PS2 in HD then thats appauling.

As for the damage have you ever seen a game which has damage on select cars! every current gen racing game has damage in one form or another and none of them have a problem in implementing it. Now if GT's damage was insanely detailed then I could understand it being on a few select cars but just having doors and bumpers fall off there is no reason why every car doesnt have damage apart from them just being lazy.

So as it stands it took PD 5 years to port GT4 and add 100 cars, thats what im seeing right now. Im a big GT fan like most here and for the first time in the series I feel slightly let down because PD aimed too high and so far have not delivered anywhere near what was expected considering the release is meant to be before the end of this year.

Robin.

I believe we are on the same page.
 
It makes me think that he didn't put damage in stock cars because the manufacturers asked him not to. That's the argument he has alwawys used. I always found it shady, and I still do. But you don't see me whining about it, because I don't see how you would benefit from that.

please explain!

Or even worse because each manufacturer allowed differing amounts of damage. That would be far worse than having some cars allowing damage and some that don't. I don't have Forza so I can't confirm this but others have said that the different manufacturers in Forza allowed different amounts of damage. By only allowing race cars to have damage, PD can put all cars on an equal playing field. In the IGN interview, they said that they are still trying to decide which cars to allow damage in. I'm assuming that they are deciding whether or not to include stock cars from manufacturers who would allow full damage. Either way we probably won't know more details until TGS. And remember the E3 trailer had more severe deformation than we are seeing here. It is highly likely that full damage is not being shown in the gamescon demo.
 
Don't know about anyone else, but I still play GT4 and a whole bunch of nutters come to my house twice a year to play each other at it.


GT4 with HD graphics, 275 more cars, a bunch more tracks, more accurate physics, cockpit cam and with an online mode? Not a problem. Chuck in some Ferraris, Lamborghinis and at least one Bugatti? Yeah, I'll have some of that. Some cars can be blown to smithereens too? Bonus.

Exactly, people will shut up once they play it, and feel the best physics on consoles. Besides TGS is coming up, they might throw something extra in it too! Hmm Weather change? Day and night? Heck to me GT is still the king! who cars if all cars have damage or not, I won't cry about it.
 
Yea i heard that one from him alot, its starting to get lame. I want to know whats the deal this time. The game would benefit from it because it would be a complete Driving Simulator

I didnt say I was disappointed, just saying that maybe all the right choices were not made by PD in regards to Damage and other aspect of the game.

I want IGN to post the full interview with him
Well, this I will repeat over and over until everybody has absorbed it: there is no feature list of GT5 yet, and there is no indication that the demo on Gamescom represents the full game. Thus, basing conclusions of how good or bad the final game will be on what we know to date is moot.
 
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I see a 1000 cars is going to be nice, but im just wondering how many will be repeats and skylines lol

the 16 cars is nice but online will not be, bumperfest

Forza Fan boys are gonna be all over us. Well at least we have graphics down pact lol

So because Forza has damage on some more cars, thats enough?

Cos thats the only advantage it has over GT now, oh and the paint shop. yay.

I will be getting both games for certain, but GT is much more.

If they say oh, damage only in 170 cars it is more than possible to laugh and list all the advantages GT has. You will be there a while.
 
Well the news gets worse and worse, I dont see how anyone can be content with a half finished game. If a game has damage it has damage everywhere, if a game has next gen car models then they are all next gen.

What is stupid is this really might turn into GT4 HD. I dont mind having 800 cars from GT4 provided they are rebuilt from the ground up models. If there are going to be races with some cars looking great and some just looking like PS2 in HD then thats appauling.

As for the damage have you ever seen a game which has damage on select cars! every current gen racing game has damage in one form or another and none of them have a problem in implementing it. Now if GT's damage was insanely detailed then I could understand it being on a few select cars but just having doors and bumpers fall off there is no reason why every car doesnt have damage apart from them just being lazy.

So as it stands it took PD 5 years to port GT4 and add 100 cars, thats what im seeing right now. Im a big GT fan like most here and for the first time in the series I feel slightly let down because PD aimed too high and so far have not delivered anywhere near what was expected considering the release is meant to be before the end of this year.

Robin.

👍👍👍:tup:Thats the same thing im trying to Explain to people. now their defending that fact that its only going to have damage on certain vehicles and its ok.. I dont understand it man
 
I'm not 100% sure on dates but i am sure on figures as sourced from vgchartz.com

xbox360 - 31.3m sold worldwide
ps3 - 23.16m sold worldwide

Now you may well be right about the ps3 being up based on the same time, but i think that's irrelevant. It's not helping sony sell games right now.

If you assume a constant rate of sales, that's about 696k 360s per month worldwide and 702k PS3s per month.

Though there isn't a constant rate of sales and as you can see, while the PS3 is at about 24m currently the 360 was only at 20m at the same point in its life - the PS3 is 20% up...
 
Don't know about anyone else, but I still play GT4 and a whole bunch of nutters come to my house twice a year to play each other at it.


GT4 with HD graphics, 275 more cars, a bunch more tracks, more accurate physics, cockpit cam and with an online mode? Not a problem. Chuck in some Ferraris, Lamborghinis and at least one Bugatti? Yeah, I'll have some of that. Some cars can be blown to smithereens too? Bonus.

I totally agree, but we dont know if the cockpit cam will be in most of the cars and that still annoys me. I really dont want to drive in one of the other views with over 800 cars.
 
Well the news gets worse and worse, I dont see how anyone can be content with a half finished game. If a game has damage it has damage everywhere, if a game has next gen car models then they are all next gen.

What is stupid is this really might turn into GT4 HD. I dont mind having 800 cars from GT4 provided they are rebuilt from the ground up models. If there are going to be races with some cars looking great and some just looking like PS2 in HD then thats appauling.

As for the damage have you ever seen a game which has damage on select cars! every current gen racing game has damage in one form or another and none of them have a problem in implementing it. Now if GT's damage was insanely detailed then I could understand it being on a few select cars but just having doors and bumpers fall off there is no reason why every car doesnt have damage apart from them just being lazy.

So as it stands it took PD 5 years to port GT4 and add 100 cars, thats what im seeing right now. Im a big GT fan like most here and for the first time in the series I feel slightly let down because PD aimed too high and so far have not delivered anywhere near what was expected considering the release is meant to be before the end of this year.

Robin.

I couldn't have said it better myself.
 
Since when were the car models not next gen? Is this from the "the cars are from GT4" bit?

Have you played prologue? Most of those cars are from GT4, were they last gen?
 
👍👍👍:tup:Thats the same thing im trying to Explain to people. now their defending that fact that its only going to have damage on certain vehicles and its ok.. I dont understand it man
Well, since we're all free people, we can choose what we accept and what we don't. If you say you don't accept GT to only offer damage for a fraction of the available cars, that's your choice. But don't try to force me into thinking the same, because I choose to live with that fact. And yes, I can still sleep at night.
 
cicohipe - Please refrain from slipping into txtspk contractions. I've noted it in several of your posts now. You clearly have the ability to type English properly, so please do so for all of your words. And don't swear - even in the contracted form you just used.



The PS3 is selling extremely well and is 20% ahead of the 360 at the same point in its life.

Meh, it's doing alright for how much it costs. It's not outsold the 360 since MGS4 came out though. It'll really take off in Sept. when the slim launches, $300 is the right price point.
 
So as it stands it took PD 5 years to port GT4 and add 100 cars, thats what im seeing right now.

Do you have a full version copy of the game in your hands? Have you seen the whole game?

NO.

That statement means nothing.
 
I find Robin's point-of-view seems to be unnecessarily negative and presumptuous.

So as it stands it took PD 5 years to port GT4 and add 100 cars, thats what im seeing right now.
I really doubt that. Five years has gone to modeling cars is what I think, and what probably makes more sense than "porting cars from GT4". They could do that in less than a month. I'm sure it takes time to model 800-900 cars, particularly with fully modeled interiors, assuming all the cars have interiors. It would be unlike PD if the opposite where true.
 
So because Forza has damage on some more cars, thats enough?

Cos thats the only advantage it has over GT now, oh and the paint shop. yay.

I will be getting both games for certain, but GT is much more.

If they say oh, damage only in 170 cars it is more than possible to laugh and list all the advantages GT has. You will be there a while.

Its not that they have damage on some more cars... they have damage on all cars in the game

Yea same here IM a fan of both of games, hopefully i dont fall in love with forza since i will have it before gt5
 
Do you have a full version copy of the game in your hands? Have you seen the whole game?

NO.

That statement means nothing.

Robin.
So as it stands it took PD 5 years to port GT4 and add 100 cars, thats what im seeing right now.

Next time read it properly!

Besides this is my opinion, you are totally welcome to yours.

Robin.
 
Do we really need 1000 cars though? I mean, I would rather have 500 cars with full damage, next gen modeling, and interiors. Who needs to drive a 1986 Ford Taurus anyways?
 
Look at the bright side. Kazunori said there wont be damage on all cars but if 600 out of 1000 cars have damage, its still good. Thing is how are they gonna have races setup.
 
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Im a GT fan and have been since GT1. I love the series faults and all but having damage to only select groups blows. I know damage isnt critical to a good racing game and if your any good you wouldnt crash and even notice its a missing feature and Ive argued that many times but still this is quite disappointing. This news certainly wont deter me from getting the game Day one but it has cemented that I will be getting an X360 for Forza 3. Ive been putting that off in anticipation that GT5 would match feature to feature what FM1, 2 and now 3 but the current info doesnt indicate that is going to happen.
 
Well the news gets worse and worse, I dont see how anyone can be content with a half finished game. If a game has damage it has damage everywhere
Who says that has to be the case? Surely having the option to use some cars in "Damage Mode" is better than having no damage at all? While it may be preferable to have as many cars 'full GT5 spec' as possible, I'll take some over none any day. I'd also be willing to bet that more and more cars will be brought up to 'full GT5 spec' as time goes on, meaning that the game can be released earlier.

If there are going to be races with some cars looking great and some just looking like PS2 in HD then thats appauling.
Come on! Do you really think that is what they meant? I would be amazed if that was the case. By 'GT4 spec', I take it they mean "exteriors only and/or no damage". But I fully expect that their 'GT4-like' cars will look exactly like GT5 cars from the outside. Anything else would be ridiculous. So far, there is no evidence whatsoever that GT5 will have GT4-standard graphics anywhere.

So as it stands it took PD 5 years to port GT4 and add 100 cars, thats what im seeing right now. Im a big GT fan like most here and for the first time in the series I feel slightly let down because PD aimed too high and so far have not delivered anywhere near what was expected considering the release is meant to be before the end of this year.
I think you are being very harsh here - even though it has taken a long time to get to this stage, you seem to be neglecting a shed load of things that PD have done. A completely new game engine and new physics; Rebuilding every car* (see above!) and track in HD; Damage; Online racing; Up to 16 cars on track at a time; GTTV; possible Home integration - and all on a new console from previous iterations of the franchise. Not to mention the possibility of many other novel features (such as those alluded to in Amar's thread).

I don't know how anyone can say that PD have failed to meet expectations yet anyway, considering that the recent news is likely just the tip of the iceberg...
 
Don't know about anyone else, but I still play GT4 and a whole bunch of nutters come to my house twice a year to play each other at it.


GT4 with HD graphics, 275 more cars, a bunch more tracks, more accurate physics, cockpit cam and with an online mode? Not a problem. Chuck in some Ferraris, Lamborghinis and at least one Bugatti? Yeah, I'll have some of that. Some cars can be blown to smithereens too? Bonus.

Exactly :sly:👍
 
I totally agree, but we dont know if the cockpit cam will be in most of the cars and that still annoys me. I really dont want to drive in one of the other views with over 800 cars.

If it’s worth anything, I don’t think that Ford Mustang could be considered a “premium” car given what we have seen so far. It’s hard to pick up on but the view seems further forward, thus needing less detail to create those other 800 cars. I don’t drive with the interior view except for fun but good luck to you on getting those other 799!
 
Do we really need 1000 cars though? I mean, I would rather have 500 cars with full damage, next gen modeling, and interiors. Who needs to drive a 1986 Ford Taurus anyways?

Anyone who owns one. :D

Next time read it properly!

Besides this is my opinion, you are totally welcome to yours.

Robin.

Of course it is. Some people just think you're wrong.

As far as damage goes, I find that it's hesitation from some manufacturers who don't want their cars damaged in certain ways. Maybe it's easy for Turn10 and EA because they can hand over loads of money, but then again their games are less realistic as far as physics go. So, perhaps Ferrari or BMW don't want people to get the wrong impression.
 
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