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Dennisch
Pointless fact of the day.

Apparently Grosjean can become the driver with the most points without winning a race if he finishes in the top 7.

That spot currently belongs to Heidfeld.

Edit.

I could have sworn that this was the Silverstone thread.
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How far back from that record is he with a universal point system?
 
Andy Palmer, CEO of Aston Martin, has stated that it would be "improbable" for Aston Martin to enter F1, as they "don't have the money to enter and do a decent job of it". Source
 
Aston Martin won't go to F1. It's just made up because the fans want it, like Audi!
 
SK8RBOI
Aston Martin won't go to F1. It's just made up because the fans want it, like Audi!
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Really?

If so, how do you explain the way nobody has suggested that Aston return to the sport since 2010? It's very hard to satisfy the desires of the fans when you don't know what those desires are.
 
prisonermonkeys
Really?

If so, how do you explain the way nobody has suggested that Aston return to the sport since 2010? It's very hard to satisfy the desires of the fans when you don't know what those desires are.
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People are just looking at different manufacturs and write stuff about them coming to F1 and hoping that they will. Now the Audi thing has blown over, people are looking for another horn to toot!

Edit: by that I meen, any little bit of information people will scream and shout about it. I do not meen the rumors have no truth behind them.
 
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Have you got a source to go with that? You seem pretty confident that the likes of Autosport had nothing better to do than dress up speculation and fan-service as fact on the eve of the British Grand Prix.
 
I honestly don't see an Aston Martin sponsorship deal with Red Bull involving Mercedes PUs happening. Williams would probably be more likely.
 
prisonermonkeys
Have you got a source to go with that? You seem pretty confident that the likes of Autosport had nothing better to do than dress up speculation and fan-service as fact on the eve of the British Grand Prix.
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Let's think. So if the likes of autosport didn't puplish shocking content then they would lose sales meening they would lose profits.

So yes I am saying that they have nothing better to do because for them it is the best thing for them to do.
 
DK
I honestly don't see an Aston Martin sponsorship deal with Red Bull involving Mercedes PUs happening. Williams would probably be more likely.
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Redbull already have a tie-in with Newey already working with Aston Martin on a potential road car project.
 
SK8RBOI
So because people buy there magazine, they are going to reduse the quality of there content?
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Alot of Autosports Success is due to the fact that there is quality, posting lies or very speculative rumors would undermine that.
 
mustafur
Alot of Autosports Success is due to the fact that there is quality, posting lies or very speculative rumors would undermine that.
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I know, I like reading it after I have been to the Blancpain GT or after a WEC event. However I have been reading racecar engineering and that is much more interesting and enjoyable.

I did not say they lie, only toot the horn very loudly. Like every think in F1 nothing is certain until it is happend.
 
SK8RBOI
People are just looking at different manufacturs and write stuff about them coming to F1 and hoping that they will. Now the Audi thing has blown over, people are looking for another horn to toot!
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This particular horn plays some interesting notes. One of them is the sound of the same Chief Executive who brought Nissan and Red Bull Racing together. Another is the fact that the story has been around in one form or another for around a year. Another is that Red Bull taking Mercedes engines for one or both of their teams is a rumour that's slowly gathering credence in the pits.

You're denouncing the whole idea as nonsense because you don't want to consider that there might be truth - maybe it isn't true that it will happen but it's certainly true that the considerations are being discussed in F1. Whether that's part of politicking or genuine future-planning it's hard to say... because this is F1. As @prisonermonkeys noted earlier in the thread Mercedes are up to their supply limit as the situation stands, but that's not to say the order book will remain stagnant or that the supply rule won't change.

You should read what Autocar say about the story, really.
 
James Allen wonders about Jenson Button's future, suggesting that the speculation over his plans for 2016 is not because McLaren are looking to let him go, but because Button might be looking to close out his career on a high:

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2015/07/button-on-the-brink-or-primed-for-a-move/

He suggests Williams could be a potential destination, especially if Bottas goes to Ferrari, with Magnussen returning to full-time race duties with McLaren. Although I think Vandoorne would be a better choice.
 
TenEightyOne
As @prisonermonkeys noted earlier in the thread Mercedes are up to their supply limit as the situation stands, but that's not to say the order book will remain stagnant or that the supply rule won't change.
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@prisonermonkeys, there doesn't appear to be a supply limit any more. According to the rulebook

F1 Sporting Regs
13.3 A competitor may change the make of engine at any time during the Championship. All points scored with an engine of different make to that which was first entered in the Championship may count (and will be aggregated) for the assessment of a commercial benefit, however such points will not count towards (nor be aggregated for) the FIA Formula One Constructors Championship. A major car manufacturer may not directly or indirectly supply engines for more than three teams of two cars each without the consent of the FIA. For the purposes of this Article 13.3, a major car manufacturer is a company whose shares are quoted on a recognised stock exchange or the subsidiary of such a company.
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That would mean that in theory, with the permission of the FIA and the willingness of Mercedes, every team on the grid could run a Mercedes engine.
 
If the 70s proved anything that wouldn't be a bad thing, problem is there is a Merc Works team
 
prisonermonkeys
James Allen wonders about Jenson Button's future, suggesting that the speculation over his plans for 2016 is not because McLaren are looking to let him go, but because Button might be looking to close out his career on a high:

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2015/07/button-on-the-brink-or-primed-for-a-move/

He suggests Williams could be a potential destination, especially if Bottas goes to Ferrari, with Magnussen returning to full-time race duties with McLaren. Although I think Vandoorne would be a better choice.
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I've heard Haas-Ferrari is trying to convince Nico Hulkenberg who at the same time is still waiting for a top team call.
Expecially considering that Bottas are loosing duels with Massa on track hopefully someone at Maranello will choose Nico.

One thing is sure very few people here are hyped by Bottas pace.
 
prisonermonkeys
He's been waiting on that call for years. There's a reason why it hasn't been made yet.
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Yeah, but he deserve Ferrari more than Bottas in my opinion.

Bottas is managed by Toto Wolf and that would probably make the difference since Marchionne opted for an alliance with MB on the F1 political scheme instead of challenging them on regulations.
 
HKS racer
Bottas is managed by Toto Wolf and that would probably make the difference since Marchionne opted for an alliance with MB on the F1 political scheme instead of challenging them on regulations.
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Do you honestly think Ferrari will prioritise a political relationship over racecraft in choosing their driver?
 
prisonermonkeys
Do you honestly think Ferrari will prioritise a political relationship over racecraft in choosing their driver?
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The Ferrari you remember is gone, LCDM is no longer president. Now SM is in charge and he is known for being more a business man, money comes first.
No one really know what's going to happen in the next years, SM (Sergio Marchionne) want to change registered office in Holland. Only thing sure is he's preparing a stock market launch and eagerly waiting to cash in.
 
You didn't answer my question: why would Ferrari prioritise a political relationship of intangible monetary value over driver talent - which does have a tangible value given that results translate into prize money - when choosing a new driver?
 
prisonermonkeys
You didn't answer my question: why would Ferrari prioritise a political relationship of intangible monetary value over driver talent - which does have a tangible value given that results translate into prize money - when choosing a new driver?
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Because SM thinks Kimi Raikkonen's wage is too expensive regardless race results. Chances are Bottas is a target not because of his pace but mainly because of two reasons: have a second driver that cost much less than Kimi, and keep Toto Wolf happy.
 
HKS racer
Because SM thinks Kimi Raikkonen's wage is too expensive regardless race results.
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Well, Raikkonen is not performing, and therefore not worth what he is being paid. If he was performing, then maybe he would be worth it. But getting knocked out in Q1 is not "performing" by anyone's definition.

have a second driver that cost much less than Kimi
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Raikkonen is in the twilight of his career. Poor results are only hastening his eventual retirement. Can you really see him in the sport beyond 2016? Ferrari are a team with a history of taking long-term driver signings, and are clearly looking for someone who can fulfil that rather than sitting around waiting to see if Raikkonen starts performing consistently. Given that Bottas has several podiums to his name, why wouldn't they be considering him?

and keep Toto Wolf happy.
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Why on earth are Ferrari, the single most powerful team on the grid, so indebted to Mercedes and Toto Wolff that their every move has to appease him? This entire theory seems to be predicated on your dislike of Bottas over Hulkenberg, and doesn't have any actual evidence to support it.
 
prisonermonkeys
Why on earth are Ferrari, the single most powerful team on the grid, so indebted to Mercedes and Toto Wolff that their every move has to appease him? This entire theory seems to be predicated on your dislike of Bottas over Hulkenberg, and doesn't have any actual evidence to support it.
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Why on earth Ferrari president should agree with PU freezing next year? When trying to catch MB?

Because a huge money investment is needed, money that Agnelli/Elkann's owners are not happy to spend therefore Marchionne is trying to keep Ferrari on second place agreeing with the MB much desired PU freezing, basically not allowing Renault and Honda to catch up.

Seems like the actual owners are more interested in profits from stock exchanges than investing money on racing. They think Ferrari can still be valuable in the market even if it's not winning, because it's "Ferrari".
 
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