The General Anime Thread...

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Given @C-ZETA's hate of KanColle, I'm surprised they haven't mentioned what has actually offended people as I hear. Here's some things I've heard about the games that REALLY offend one person I know (And they happen to be male)... (And their hatred of the games probably surpasses C-ZETA's)

-Taking damage=Clothes ripping away
-Bigger fuel tank=You have bigger boobs
-Repairs=Being in a hot spring
-Ships=Girls, objectification of women
What else is he into?

Also, that is pretty commonplace by now. Anyone expecting me to take great offence to such fanservice shouldn't expect much. I've seen it all before, honestly.
That said, Atago's intro in the anime was a bitter low blow - that was fanservice done wrong. In context, it was way too blatant even by her standards, and badly hurt her place as the sole 'decent' character in my mind.

I wouldn't have known about the game's instances though, since I don't dare look at it. Putting it in is a little silly though, given that its cultural rival doesn't do anything of the sort.
 
Heard that Highschool of the Dead is close to/ is ecchi, but if you're into that sorta thing it could be worth the watch.

They're both ecchi... I actually preferred Highschool of the Dead because of the comedic relief.

...and the nosebleeds.

EDIT: Not flat-out ecchi, but they have ecchi elements in there.

It's for the plot...

















:lol:
 
L"The bigger your boobs, the bigger your fueltank is!".

Well, milk is baby fuel, I guess? (See avatar)

But seriously, I'll have to remember that euphemism.

-Taking damage=Clothes ripping away

That doesn't sound reminiscent of sexual assault at all... :rolleyes:

-Repairs=Being in a hot spring

There are worse places you can repair yourself.


-Ships=Girls, objectification of women

To play devil's advocate, outside of context one could say that was the personification of ships, but with the other stuff...

Yeah.

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DK
I suppose if female anime fans tried to call for rapists to be depicted in a way harsher (i.e. realistic) light, they'd be harassed under the guise of "ethics in anime journalism".

Fortunately, hentaigate does not have the alliteration of gamergate, and as a result is unlikely to catch on as a term.

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Highschool DxD and Highschool of the Dead,

Both worth the watch?

Neither is. Watch Monogatari if you have to watch a show full of cheap misogynistic fanservice, otherwise watch a bunch of Ghibli films and Satoshi Kon's stuff and then forget that this whole anime thing ever existed before it eats you alive.

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Shrugging twenty something Asuka is so much better than psychotic teenage Asuka.
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Anyway, I re-watched Porco Rosso last night. I have to say I enjoyed it more the second time than the first time. I ship Fio x Ursula because why shouldn't I?
 
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On a scale of one to ten, how would you rate your pain?
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Japan has those kind of Easter eggs since 2000( probably before that), in dead or alive 2; you can lower your age or increase it. The female characters fuel tanks will get bigger to a certain point.
 
What else is he into?
He was into anime until Chu2koi S2 really disappointed him, less and less shows interested him, and the anime community became more and more toxic to him, like many VERY ignorant things fans would say, and would say to him after he would do translations of various things. It's a long story. He now only really bothers with KyoAni anime, though he hated Amagi Brilliant Park, especially as that also offended him.

(When you think about it, this community can be really toxic, though rarely to the extent of the video game community that is becoming a lost cause.)
 
Most communities that have the internet as its base is going to be toxic. The anime folks for the most part are lonely, sexually-frustrated individuals with poor self-esteem and confidence looking for fantasy world to run away to.

It's easy to become agitated by others, and just as easy to agitate others for selfish reasons. We ain't a community I'd recommend people look up to and learn from. Like any community, or life in general, it's a good idea to learn to toughen up. Every sort of community always has one bad thing about them. That, or just don't bother.
 
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I love how you switched to your at the end of the second sentence :lol:

You're 100% correct though. The only one I think I fall under is poor self-confidence.
 
That's a habit how I direct my message to a group while excluding myself. I'm part of that group, I won't lie. I get pretty attached to characters, but I think I know where I'm drawing the line and stopping at when it comes to escape. Perhaps the way I watch a show is how I keep myself at bay, though I'm pretty sure that's not the intended way to experience any media.
 
Finished Garden of Sinners. Freaking amazing. Pretty confusing, but still amazing. The ending was a nice one too. I actually anticipated such an ending, for some reason.
 
Going to start Darker than Black tomorrow afternoon, and maybe watch some of Valkyria Chronicles since I can't play the game.
 
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@MHPALA I've got that on my mind but there's already too much stuff to watch and finish. I'm going to have a good amount of time on my hands now that finals are over.

While we're on the subject of High School DxD and High School of the Dead...
I haven't watched HSotD but the former is actually not too bad. I love the protagonist. He's not reserved and dense like all other harem MCs.
 
>discussion on sexualisation in anime

Nothing wrong with a little titillation here and there. Personally, I love me some anime girls, and I'm not afraid to say it (on the internet) - and I find it ridiculous that people equate "arousal" with "objectification" nowadays.

Besides, it's not like this is just a feminist issue; at MCM London this year, the biggest hentai doujinshi stand was split into two sections: straight/lesbian, and yaoi. The yaoi section was by far the most popular, surrounded by flushed-looking girls leafing eagerly through one of the biggest hauls of gay porn I've ever seen.

Whereas my favourite material, "yuri" and "pettanko", weren't even properly tagged. Just dumped in with a load of futanari and beachball tits, if there was even any there at all. Dreadful.

DK
I suppose if female anime fans tried to call for rapists to be depicted in a way harsher (i.e. realistic) light, they'd be harassed under the guise of "ethics in anime journalism".

Nah; that'd require one of them to make a terrible, pretentious conceptual doujinshi, have sex with (at least) five major players in the anime scene (including journos) in order to boost its popularity, shut down and cyberbully other female content creators in an attempt to keep her own work relevant, and then use her position to start a smear campaign against any anime fans who try to call her out for it.

But, y'know, "muh soggy knee" and all that jazz.

Hilariously, all of my anime-loving friends complained that Sugo from Sword Art Online being explicitly rapey was "poor", "unoriginal" writing. So when the rapist is the good guy it's misogynistic, and when the rapist is the bad guy it's "unoriginal"? No-win situation there. For the record, I actually liked it that Sugo was portrayed as a nasty bastard from beginning to end, as seeing sexual abuse glorified in anime makes me quite uncomfortable (even though it's extremely infrequent unless you actively look for it).
 
I watch anime for entertainment. Isn't that what its about?
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-Bigger fuel tank=You have bigger boobs

Actually in KanColle greater ship displacement is what determines bust size. I read that off a Crunchyroll article somewhere, can't remember which.
This got me to thinking.

I dunno if this has been discussed amongst the KanColle fans out there, but if they were at a Olympic sized swimming pool to be in a series of the following swimming races...
  • 100m Backstroke
  • 100m Breaststroke
  • 100m Butterfly
  • 100m Freestyle
  • 200m IM (1 length of the pool in Backstroke, Breaststroke, Butterfly and Freestyle)
  • 400m IM (2 lengths of the pool in Backstroke, Breaststroke, Butterfly and Freestyle)
...who would win?
 
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Ever heard of Media Studies?

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Week 3 avatar:

Nausicaä from Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind.

1984 film by Miyazaki Hayao, based on his 1982 manga of the same name.

A group of people seek an ancient item they plan to use to eradicate a giant insect species. Nausicaa seeks to prevent that from happening.


Weeks:
3 - Nausicaä
2 - GUMI
1 - Karyusai Shoko
 
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That it is what it is, not what it is about.

Unless you believe in the distinction between "art" and "entertainment". But I'm currently studying a music course at a university, so I hear those words get thrown around in opposition a lot - and apparently, "entertainment" is not favourable. :X

Ever heard of Media Studies?

eurgh

... I studied that for a couple years at the end of high school. Turning kids paranoid over identity politics on one hand, teaching them to be cynically analytical and formula-obsessed on the other, and then complaining that their products aren't "artistic" enough when they hand in the final assignment. Not a fun experience. "How to tow the industry line and get nowhere in two years flat" is a better title than "Media Studies".
 
I think it's worth the effort to be (at least) more aware of the background noise that media brings than to just "take things for what they are", and never think any further than that. The idea sounds more interesting than staying stagnant.

Well, there goes one week where we could coincide.

It's not as fun if you're going to use the same character some time later. Let's make it 104 different characters for the whole year. 2-man effort. We can do this.
 
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Look, let's do this. We should change the avy date so we both change avy in the same day and about the same time, so we'll obviously won't know who is each other's next character. I'm doing it on monday morning because the week starts there and, well, I'm here really early. You are too. We should change it every monday first thing coming here, without seeing each other's avy until after we changed it. That will make it actually interesting and fun, lol.
 
Personally I dislike it when pointless sexualisation turns up in films or TV shows (not just anime). I feel it cheapens them and makes me feel uncomfortable if I'm watching it with family or people who aren't close friends.

If I didn't start watching it because I wanted to watch something titillating, chances are I don't want to be titillated at that point in time. That doesn't mean that I never appreciate being titillated, but I will only feel uncomfortable if I feel content intended to induce titillation is being "forced"* upon me.

The second issue comes where the sexualisation is actually in some way exploitive or offensive. This isn't as much of an issue with comics, video games, prose fiction, poetry, or animation as it is with live action film, TV, or of course theatre as the characters are not being portrayed by real people. I personally found the Luc Besson film Leon somewhat offensive because I thought that it depicted a character portrayed by a twelve year old Natalie Portman in a manner which could be fairly construed as sexualised (all though most people seem to take no issue with this for some reason), but I might just go through my usual "this cheapens the work/makes it a bit uncomfortable to watch with family" routine if the same character was depicted the same way in an animated film.

I may still take some offence at the work feeling that it is OK to sexualise a twelve year old to begin with, but honestly, that gets more into the territory of "is the work suggesting it is OK to sexually abuse children?" rather than "this work is directly exploiting a child."

Obviously, any work** which suggests that it is OK to sexually abuse anyone of any age should be harshly criticised, and may very well be considered obscene by any reasonable definition, but this does not mean that such themes should necessarily be avoided. If a film can sensitively deal with themes such as sexual abuse then that can be a very good thing, raising awareness of the needs of victims and the actions of perpetrators.


*Yes, I know I could just not watch it to begin with, but in most cases that would be a massive overreaction to what is ultimately usually only a minor part of a work.
**Some older works may be treated more lightly in these regards in the same way that I can forgive Help! for being an extremely racist film when couldn't forgive a film that came out today for such things.




TL;DR, sexualisation cheapens works artistically and is awkward to watch if you don't want to be titillated, only 'yes'* ever means yes and only when it comes uncoerced out of the informed mouth of someone over 16 years old, and Senjougahara is best girl.



*As opposed to the absence of a 'no'. Words such as 'yeah', 'that's cool', or 'I want to' may be substituted for a 'yes'.
 
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Atago. If you know what I mean.

... I studied that for a couple years at the end of high school. Turning kids paranoid over identity politics on one hand, teaching them to be cynically analytical and formula-obsessed on the other, and then complaining that their products aren't "artistic" enough when they hand in the final assignment. Not a fun experience. "How to tow the industry line and get nowhere in two years flat" is a better title than "Media Studies".
Have taken this at secondary school (we aren't all that American) for the past four years, and none of what you said has happened.
 
Personally I dislike it when pointless sexualisation turns up in films or TV shows (not just anime). I feel it cheapens them and makes me feel uncomfortable if I'm watching it with family or people who aren't close friends.

If I didn't start watching it because I wanted to watch something titillating, chances are I don't want to be titillated at that point in time. That doesn't mean that I never appreciate being titillated, but I will only feel uncomfortable if I feel content intended to induce titillation is being "forced"* upon me.

The second issue comes where the sexualisation is actually in some way exploitive or offensive. This isn't as much of an issue with comics, video games, prose fiction, poetry, or animation as it is with live action film, TV, or of course theatre as the characters are not being portrayed by real people. I personally found the Luc Besson film Leon somewhat offensive because I thought that it depicted a character portrayed by a twelve year old Natalie Portman in a manner which could be fairly construed as sexualised (all though most people seem to take no issue with this for some reason), but I might just go through my usual "this cheapens the work/makes it a bit uncomfortable to watch with family" routine if the same character was depicted the same way in an animated film.

I may still take some offence at the work feeling that it is OK to sexualise a twelve year old to begin with, but honestly, that gets more into the territory of "is the work suggesting it is OK to sexually abuse children?" rather than "this work is directly exploiting a child."

Obviously, any work** which suggests that it is OK to sexually abuse anyone of any age should be harshly criticised, and may very well be considered obscene by any reasonable definition, but this does not mean that such themes should necessarily be avoided. If a film can sensitively deal with themes such as sexual abuse then that can be a very good thing, raising awareness of the needs of victims and the actions of perpetrators.


*Yes, I know I could just not watch it to begin with, but in most cases that would be a massive overreaction to what is ultimately usually only a minor part of a work.
**Some older works may be treated more lightly in these regards in the same way that I can forgive Help! for being an extremely racist film when couldn't forgive a film that came out today for such things.




TL;DR, sexualisation cheapens works artistically and is awkward to watch if you don't want to be titillated, only 'yes'* ever means yes and only when it comes uncoerced out of the informed mouth of someone over 16 years old, and Senjougahara is best girl.



*As opposed to the absence of a 'no'. Words such as 'yeah', 'that's cool', or 'I want to' may be substituted for a 'yes'.

If I got the message right, I have to say I agree. Sometimes adding any sort of sexual element where it isn't needed can really ruin a work. No names on specific works here but I can think of quite a few anime that are very popular in this thread that I just can't bring myself to watch due to the constant use of panty shots and short skirts on girls that can't be more than 12 years old. It ruins stories for many more than people will ever know simply because many people will not even give anime a chance due to these cliches.

Just think of how different the Luc Besson film would have been if they used a 19 y/o drug addicted stripper trying to reform and go into college instead of an innocent 12 y/o.

Frankly, I'd much rather see The Professional with the 19 y/o instead of the 12 y/o.
 
I need my laptop to help out one view...or at least speak my mind. ..
 

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