The GTP Unofficial 2020 US Elections Thread

GTPlanet Exit Poll - Which Presidential Ticket Did You Vote For?

  • Trump/Pence

    Votes: 16 27.1%
  • Biden/Harris

    Votes: 20 33.9%
  • Jorgensen/Cohen

    Votes: 7 11.9%
  • Hawkins/Walker

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • La Riva/Freeman

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • De La Fuente/Richardson

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Blankenship/Mohr

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Carroll/Patel

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Simmons/Roze

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Charles/Wallace

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 15 25.4%

  • Total voters
    59
  • Poll closed .

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So instead of chastising them for wasting time (because if there were nothing to hide, this wouldn't be an issue), they are threatening to jail them for following due process..... okay then.
 
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Gosh, that clip sure makes it seem like...Newt...is somehow involved.

He's been a little bitch for nearly three decades--likely longer still as his efforts as Speaker to walk us back from the brink of a socialist regime under Clinton have been wildly overstated--but now he appears to be on Death's doorstep. Jesus Christ.

People are upset about democrats having trouble addressing student loans or somesuch while republicans call for jailing the people investigating the crimes of republicans
It's apparent as ever that Biden needs to do more work across the aisle...for unity.
 

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What a word.

Once again, calls for unity without apologies and meaningful action from the Republican party are false, arrogant and insincere. And given the huge spike driven into the partisan fracture since 6th January, especially with Republican vitriol aimed at anybody even remotely guilty of thoughtcrime by being on the Committee, it doesn't look like it will ever come. Ever. Ever, ever, ever.

The Republican party has permanently 🤬ed the United States of America and every US citizen for their own selfish, meagre, self-serving, pathetic, insecure, hypocritical ends.
 
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for unity.
Sarcasm taken...

It would help if folks were remotely realistic about what unity can entail. First and foremost, there has to be some agreement or common ground on the basic principles of the nation. Principles like a government for and by the people, seeking to actually represent the people and striving to accurately elect representatives. Principles like the rule of law, and accountability for crimes. There are republicans willing to uphold the basics. It's worth noting that the January 6th committee is a bipartisan committee, with one of its most forceful members coming from the republicans specifically.

There's no valuable unity with Ted Cruz, or DeSantis, Rand Paul, or someone like Devin Nunez. And to the extent that that's the goal, it's a bad goal.
 

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Sixteen GTPers indicated that they voted, or would vote, for the Trump/Pence ticket.

Have any of those sixteen people changed their minds or regretted it?
 

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Why would they go to jail?

They’re clearly just trying to get to the bottom of why the FBI went undercover in Antifa to frame tourists.
So it wasn't to appease their Marxist fascist BLM masters after all?

I blame critical race theory. Again. And green M&M's.
 
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Why would they go to jail?

They’re clearly just trying to get to the bottom of why the FBI went undercover in Antifa to frame tourists.
I know this is a joke but it's an interesting question anyway.

Because they "broke laws". What laws? Uh... I mean I presume Newt is referring to subpoenaing documents which Trump tried to conceal via executive privilege. That's of course not a violation of the law (upheld by an 8:1 majority supreme court decision). But Trump seemed to think they couldn't do it. Not that it would have been illegal for them to subpoena documents that were concealed under executive privilege. Trump's best outcome there was to simply not provide the documents. Jailing the requesters is right out.

It appears to be full on crack smokery by newt.
 

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Trump Statement Jan 30 2022.jpg


Notice that he's no longer talking about a stolen election but about overturning an election he actually lost. Mask off.
 

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First off, don't know why he's talking about Susan Collins; far as I've seen from others, she likes to lie & fall in in line when push comes to shove.

To the main point, from what I briefly searched, what Congress is might be doing is, "to make clear that the vice president has no power to object, overturn or otherwise refuse to count states’ electoral votes. Also needed is a curb on the ability of members of Congress to launch similar partisan maneuvers." So, they basically seem to be discussing how to make process more secure & harder to overturn.
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Currently, it takes only an objection from a single member of each chamber to force a session on whether to accept a state’s electors — and majority votes in each chamber can sustain such an objection. This raises the possibility that a partisan congressional majority can throw out election results it does not like. If Congress is to have any role in counting electoral votes, these thresholds must be far higher. The basis on which lawmakers can lodge objections must also be explicit and narrow — for example, that an elector was constitutionally unqualified to cast an electoral vote.

The law should treat as presumptively valid electors certified by governors, under court oversight, according to the popular vote systems in each state. Likewise, the law should refuse to acknowledge electors state legislatures might try to appoint outside this process, after a vote has occurred. Congress should extend protections to election workers, both from partisan officials seeking to pressure them and from members of the public who might threaten them with harm. And the federal government should provide money for better election equipment, staffing, training and statistically-sound vote auditing.

Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) has convened a bipartisan group to discuss such sensible changes; Sen. Angus King (I-Maine) has put forth a smart proposal. These are modest reforms to which no one who cares about the nation’s democratic system could reasonably object.

Naturally, Trump doesn't understand actual law, so he's twisted something once again to rile the base. Same way he's recently just called, "for nationwide protests if prosecutors investigating him "do anything illegal."' As anyone who is aware knows, in Trump's eyes, the simple idea of thinking he did a crime should be deemed illegal; no one knows more about being legal than him, legal experts say he's the legalist person ever, believe him.
 
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Trump's out yelling about how Pence should have overturned the election, and saying he might pardon the Jan. 6th insurrectionists if he's re-elected. Basically openly calling for the end of America. Why all the sudden?

Recently the supreme court handed the jan. 6th panel all of trump's documents that he was trying to keep secret. He's now shifting the narrative to own and normalize what he knows is in those documents before they're released to the public by the panel.

He apparently even called for the biggest ever "protest" if the jan. 6th panel does anything "illegal". I think we can read between the lines on this one given the way Trump stoked the crowd on Jan. 6th.
 
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Additional details outlining Trump was more involved in his proposal to seize voting machines.


Former President Donald Trump was more directly involved with plans to use branches of the federal government to seize voting machines after his loss in the 2020 election, personally asking his Cabinet members and his lawyer if they could help him as his tenure in the White House was running out, The New York Times reported Monday.

In one instance, Trump asked his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani if he could call the Department of Homeland Security to ask if it could take control of voting machines in several swing states, reported the newspaper, citing people familiar with Trump’s discussions. In another meeting in the Oval Office, Trump asked then-Attorney General William Barr whether the Justice Department could take control of the machines.

Homeland Security’s acting deputy secretary, Ken Cuccinelli, said he didn’t have the authority to do so, and Barr, the Times reported, immediately shot down the idea.
 

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Mother had enough of Trump.
"There are those in our party who believe that as the presiding officer over the joint session of Congress, I possessed unilateral authority to reject Electoral College votes. And I heard this week that President Trump said I had the right to ‘overturn the election,'" Pence said at a Federalist Society event in Florida.

"President Trump is wrong. I had no right to overturn the election," Pence continued. "The presidency belongs to the American people, and the American people alone. Frankly, there is almost no idea more un-American than the notion that any one person could choose the American president."

"Under the Constitution, I had no right to change the outcome of our election. And Kamala Harris will have no right to overturn the election when we beat them in 2024," Pence said to applause.
 

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Mother had enough of Trump.


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Wow. Somebody put his big boy pants on.

Okay but who?
In all honesty, I know that Pence did want to find a way to overturn the election, but we're lucky he did not decide to toe the line. The nation definitely benefitted from his resolve on January 6th and in the days before.
 

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Pence asked around to see which way the wind was blowing. It was a decent attempt at a face-saving exercise.