The level up/credit/xp system in this game is broken

[moneyfink]

If you make good use of the special events and license tests, you'll see that the economy isn't that bad.

Level progression is manageable, with a few repeat events here and there.

It still has its quirks (ie: Formula GT race: lvl23 and car: 24), but its not unbearable.

 

[RobGT81]

I remember having to grind GT4 for cash for some cars, so its not actually any different

 

[AgentGT]

The idea is to EARN (a strange word for gamers I know) those cars. That's what a lot of people don't seem to get. The cars aren't "locked", you just haven't earned them yet. And today with things like paid unlocks, there's this feeling that you shouldn't have to put in any effort.

My brother said about this that you have gamers who have a reputation for being lazy, and now they are so lazy that they don't want to even put any effort into playing a game. I'm starting to agree with him.

There's a difference between earning and being pathetically enslaved to do something repetitively for what is essentially something not a value.

If someone said do 20 hours of work for an actual 20,000,000 car then i may consider it. Earning a virtual race car is nothing to feel satisfied with.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

If you make good use of the special events and license tests, you'll see that the economy isn't that bad.

Level progression is manageable, with a few repeat events here and there.

It still has its quirks (ie: Formula GT race: lvl23 and car: 24), but its not unbearable.

A few? What game are you playing? I 've already played through almost all of that.

You also need 4.8 million credits to buy a car that only God knows when it will show up.

Thats 50 reruns of Indy in the American Championship, not counting the caps to fix it up.

I remember having to grind GT4 for cash for some cars, so its not actually any different

I'm compelled to ask you the same question, plus another one.

What game are you playing?............ And;

since you reference GT4, if you did play it, you may have noticed it has, about ten times the events GT5 has and there was no level up, except for licenses and event completion.
Repeating races was practically non-exsistent.
As a matter of fact with a little skill you could complete the game and never rerun any races, or buy any cars save two, and not sell any cars to do it.
There was NO race in the game, that was single car dependant from the used car lot.

Im not interested in 'beating' a game before its trade in value goes down, I want to enjoy it for a few years, old school styley, the rest of you kids can run along and play call of warcraft

Maybe you can run Indy another several hundred times. You might be able to eek out a year maybe.
I only wish it was a multi-year game.

At this point I've spent almost as much time waiting around for the Formula GT car to show up, as playing the game.

 

[alonsof1fan91]

And there we have what people really want; shortcuts. The XP is there so that you have to EARN your way to those races, not so that you do those races and none of the other ones. A big part of this game is that you don't dominate right out of the gate, and that you do all these races and you feel like you've EARNED those cars. It defeats the purpose if you get everything out of the gate. That's where I think gamers have changed. They want everything now, where before they were willing to actually put some time into a game. I'm guessing the next idea someone is going to have is a paid unlock code.

As Ringo Starr once said; You have to pay your dues if you want to sing the blues, and you know it don't come easy.

Oh yeah. I had to earn myself competing at Lvl 24 dream car challenge (First Try, First win btw) by grinding 98k Indianapolis for about 3 hours.

I have never heard people complaining that much about previous gt games. Honestly, I wouldn`t mind this XP System if there were more interesting A-Spec events, but there are so few of them.
I just bought a 458 Italia and fully tuned it, it makes alot of fun to drive, but where should I drive it? There is no real supercar challenge in this game, there is a european sportscar championship at lvl 22/23, but the AI is driving stock cars there. Why on earth are they driving stock Lambos/SLS/Ferraris in a extreme event.

Remember GT3? It had so many interesting and long championships - with rewards that deserve to be called rewards and no stupd fireblade for a F1 championship.

 

[RobGT81]

Its only not a multi year game if your only obsessed with getting one or two of the top cars, theres some great cars to play with in the used car lot, maybe your not a petrolhead and have no passion in cars.

I deffinatly did the Capri rally a good few times to get enough cash to buy an LMP car in GT4.

If people dont have a lot of time for this game, like myself, it will just take a long time to get through, which in my eyes isnt a bad thing.

The Caterham is an awesome car btw

 

[DrJustice]

Im not interested in 'beating' a game before its trade in value goes down, I want to enjoy it for a few years, old school styley, the rest of you kids can run along and play call of warcraft

I'm not interested in "beating" the game either. If I was, I'd be playing platformers.

Now, why don't you quit your imbecile trolling.

DJ
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[ruf-ctr2]

Its only not a multi year game if your only obsessed with getting one or two of the top cars, theres some great cars to play with in the used car lot, maybe your not a petrolhead and have no passion in cars.

I deffinatly did the Capri rally a good few times to get enough cash to buy an LMP car in GT4.

If people dont have a lot of time for this game, like myself, it will just take a long time to get through, which in my eyes isnt a bad thing.

The Caterham is an awesome car btw

Yea, and that is why most of the people here, complaining about the XP system loved the previous GT titles (especially GT4) ....

 

[Sele1981]

You get 17k xp points in the 3rd AMG driving school events if you get gold... I think thats a lot... I like the xp system in GT5, I like to unlock things in general...

Unfortunately this xp system is missing in online mode... The online part in general is bad... very poor... It feels like a game from 2004...

 

[Slime718]

at level 26 had to stop playing cause the only way to level is doing a boring 4hr mazda race really pd have a life don't have time for this

and why take out the feature where you can race then b-spec when you want to take a break

 

[fr33style]

and why take out the feature where you can race then b-spec when you want to take a break

Nobody knows. Really.

Someone else said it correctly that I hate grinding even more because of how long it takes to simply restart a race. You can't just complete a race and do it again - you must leave the race menu and re-enter it which takes a while because of the loading screens.

 

[Exorcet]

The idea is to EARN (a strange word for gamers I know) those cars.

And why should I have to bother with that?

there's this feeling that you shouldn't have to put in any effort.

Which is absolutely correct.

now they are so lazy that they don't want to even put any effort into playing a game. I'm starting to agree with him.

Then why did I buy the game? And why do I care that GT Life is keeping me from playing the game properly if I didn't want to play it?

 

[fitftw]

this is all why everyone says Forza is better than GT. I don't think I can defend GT much longer. I find myself grinding all the time now, and there's several races I can't even enter because the top AI cars are running near-1000hp and sub-1000kg cars. I don't have millions of dollars. So I have to grind away at other races to level up and do races I can actually enter. I just need to accept the fact that GT5 sucks as much as GT3 did. GT4 was godlike, so GT6 will be too.

 

[junpeix555]

IMO, I think the Bspec exp system is broken. Even if you gold everything in order (which is impossible for some events such as Historic Cup or Nascar), you still would need to grind on the Bspec, which let's admit is more frustrating than anything.

For Aspec, like I stated before, I haven't needed to grind yet and I'm on level 25 going 26. However you do need to gold every license and special event open at the point in order to avoid the grind.

 

[Racin'Jason]

What are licenses for this time around? (besides xp) In GT4. licenses were required to enter certain events, but now, no events require licenses...i don't get it.

 

[junpeix555]

What are licenses for this time around? (besides xp) In GT4. licenses were required to enter certain events, but now, no events require licenses...i don't get it.

Tradition

If anything, probably an introduction to the physics system and how to take lines on certain tracks.

I always did the licenses test before buying a car in all the GT series so kind of fun for me.

 

[CTznOfTime]

@ Fr33Style:
It's really not that bad. It gives you the chance to have a life outside of the game, pause breaks, in-between-race chores to please your significant other(s)

I remember having to grind GT4 for cash for some cars, so its not actually any different

It's really not that bad, i am currently at level 12 A-Spec and 7 B-Spec, and i feel so much excitement for there is yet so many things for me to do, i have barely scratch the surface of this game, i am all excited to beginning doing the Top Gear special Challenge later today. I have not even touched the Amateur Challenges in either A or B Specs!

I love this game, but i have to finish it before next November so that i can buy an Xbox for FM4

If you make good use of the special events and license tests, you'll see that the economy isn't that bad.

Level progression is manageable, with a few repeat events here and there.

It still has its quirks (ie: Formula GT race: lvl23 and car: 24), but its not unbearable.

I feel the exact same way as you 👍
I think the best way to approach this game is NOT to try to beat this game, but rather to beat yourself, set goals for yourself, TRY TO AIM FOR YOUR OWN GOALS.

i have so much i want to do in GT5 for myself, each day is different, maybe because of the Used car lots

And that's without talking about Photo Mode or Drift Challenges or Rally etc etc..! I love this game!

 

[SuperCobraJet]

I just need to accept the fact that GT5 sucks as much as GT3 did. GT4 was godlike, so GT6 will be too.

We can only hope on the GT6 part.

Structure and content wise, even GT3 was a better game than GT5 is.

 

[filphil89]

@ Fr33Style:
It's really not that bad. It gives you the chance to have a life outside of the game, pause breaks, in-between-race chores to please your significant other(s)



It's really not that bad, i am currently at level 12 A-Spec and 7 B-Spec, and i feel so much excitement for there is yet so many things for me to do, i have barely scratch the surface of this game, i am all excited to beginning doing the Top Gear special Challenge later today. I have not even touched the Amateur Challenges in either A or B Specs!

Just wait until you hit level 20. You'll know what we're all talking about then.

 

[Smoothherb]

Lol when you start to grind at level 20 you are doing something wrong. Very wrong! I am level 21 and have many things to do before I start grinding. Golden Licences and special events for example, 40% of the events and so on.
And grinding is a tradition in gt games! It always is done on Highspeed track don´t you remember?

 

[tinram]

Lol when you start to grind at level 20 you are doing something wrong. Very wrong! I am level 21 and have many things to do before I start grinding. Golden Licences and special events for example, 40% of the events and so on.
And grinding is a tradition in gt games! It always is done on Highspeed track don´t you remember?

AND ... you do not have to do the same race with the same car, use different cars, challenge yourselves. Try classic super car race with a cobra. Try muscle car races with a stock chevelle. Enjoy the game, the grind comes with how you play it ( always in a hurry to level up ).

 

[fr33style]

Lol when you start to grind at level 20 you are doing something wrong. Very wrong! I am level 21 and have many things to do before I start grinding. Golden Licences and special events for example, 40% of the events and so on.
And grinding is a tradition in gt games! It always is done on Highspeed track don´t you remember?

Never in a GT game you were forced to grind just to be able to access a race in which:

1) You have the car/money to participate;

2) You have the expertise to participate in (as evidenced by licenses)

Replaying the same events multiple time over and over is not an indication of driving skill, as one can choose to play the Indy oval 100 times in order to unlock the rest of the game.

 

[sukerkin]

Quite so, Tinram. I must've run the PRO Lamborghini race at Rome 15 times tonight. Why? Because I am using it to dial in the Chrome Line Murcielago to handle comfortably on sports tyres .

Now I realise that that's not fun for everybody but it is for me . It's not grinding, it's playing . Every GTgame has been this way where you set your own challenges and goals. That mindset's why I had a stack of 16 memory cards for GT2, each game approached with a different goal.

Speaking of such things puts me in mind of back-ups. Is there anyway to store a copy of your GT5 game external to the PS3 in case something goes horribly wrong?

 

[Spade13]

I was never much a fan of the XP System in the Gran Turismo series... and now all the other simulators are starting to copy its system!

 

[2KWperKG]

I don't mind the grind. i've played all the GT's with 1 goal in mind - own EVERY car!! I'm level 29 a-spec and level 27 b-spec, i just switch between them as i get bored. admittedly it was easier to grind in previous GT's, but i've come to accept that GT5 is angled more towards online play where you will probably be able to level up/earn creds quicker

 

[SuperCobraJet]

I definitely did the Capri rally a good few times to get enough cash to buy an LMP car in GT4.

And you don't understand the difference?

In GT4 you could do that if you wanted too, not because you had too.

In GT4 there were so many more options with so many more events.

For example in GT4 I would often run the 1000 mis event early on to get a 300,000 or 400,000 credit stash.
It didn't even require a license.

Or I could run many of the other races, including getting a license and running the race you mention.

The point is there are no options in GT5 due to the lack of events.

 

[Tornado]

And grinding is a tradition in gt games!

No. It. Isn't.

Every GTgame has been this way where you set your own challenges and goals.

Every GT game except GT5, which forces "challenges and goals" on you.

 

[crettis]

i think I may have at least a partial solution. Just take the damn lvl restrictions off the purchases of cars. This way I can buy my damn F2007 and lap the Ring like a mad man all I want. Frankly thats why I have always loved GT, I can buy any car I want and take it around any track I want. I honestly could give a crap less about my license tests or special events. I have played every single GT, and honestly this is the first time Ive ever had any sort of disappointment.

I will do A-Spec races, because lets face it I need to make money. But being able to grind to the price of an F1 car, then still be multiple "Levels" away from being able to buy it. Screw you PD. Keep the car locked out of certain races (which you can do, as you cannot use the F2010 or F2007 anywhere) and the games is still challenging. I hate feeling like I am playing WoW while racing. If I wanted to grind lvls I would be in a forest killing raptors that only drop their claws 1% of the time you kill one.


edit** oh yea, just make the X1 100Mil or something. I am sure I could make that sort of cash before I hit lvl 30.

 

[Fatboy-RC]

I don't think it was meant to be this way.Somebody forked it up when they reset XP to zero every level. If it didn't reset,when you golded the next event series you would level up or be close,like it should be. If you only silver or less you would not make it for a few more tries anyway.
I really think somebody at PD just blew it when they set it up. Why should we have to grind in b-spec,because I am right now and it's rediculous.

 

[thedeester1]

Ive been following this thread for sometime. If im not wrong you get the same XP for winning a race no matter what car you drive? This has led to the Inevitable "monstering" of races by people who wanna level up quickly. Ie use a much faster car than the AI, grab the cash and the XP and move on. Once they reach a certain point they are stuck doing the same races with monster cars just to gain the XP. Im not saying this is wrong. We all like the rewards thats why we play video games.

In GT4 there was the pre-cursor to XP "skill points" they werent used for anything but bragging rights as far as I remember but the fact was the worse your car was compared to the AI the more points you got for the win. This made the Events much more long lived for those who wanted to play for the "bragging rights". People would go back to even the very early races and try and do them in worse and worse cars to see if they could up on their skill points.

Since my file system crashed im not in the grind anymore but I know all about the "Oval with fast car for 5 minutes" grind. Wouldnt it be better if in that race you could achive even more XP for doing it in lesser and lesser cars? This would make more of the GT garage usefull, as at the moment there are too many useless cars that are poinless awards or not worth buying!

I do think the XP is a good Idea as before many people just went through the GT series "monstering" races. Got to the end and said "that was a bit easy" ( These were often the people that moaned that the License system was "boring". If they didnt have a 100bhp advantage they struggled to meet the times or win the races). Only the die hards were still playing months or even years later posting on here about how many skill points they got for winning say a race against cars with 350bhp with a 150bhp car (just an example).

Its not the fact that there is XP in the game for me but how that XP is awarded. Seems like just another thing that was rushed into the game without getting the finishing touches! If the XP system was like the skill point system then people would be trying to do the sunday cup in a 2CV with racing tyres! Not all picking a stupidly fast car and driving round an oval for a few minutes, about a hundred times?