The Most Overrated Car(s) in GT4

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Kooky
Yeah. "Special Midnight Purple" edition? Please :yuck:
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Hey, you forgot Special Midnight Purple II! :crazy:

About the JGTC cars thingy: Simply, they all look the same (same bodystyle) for most cars of the same models (same Supra, example, although there are about 3 different Skyline designs), so you could make one with 7 "colors" (one for the Cerumo, one for the Castrol Tom's, and some others), just like the 2 colors on the Pescarolo, only somewhat more changed.
 
overrated: any RUF

your spending most of the time braking instead of accelerating
 
Yeah, they suck at the Boxer Spirit (some kind of alcoholic drink, probably made of boxers and underpants), and a simple Impreza or Legacy beats all the RUFs in the field
 
Mr_D
any RUF - your spending most of the time braking instead of accelerating
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I don't agree, probaly because of my love for a Dark Blue RGT :indiff:


They only suck at Boxter Sprit at Hong Kong, every car sucks on Hong Kong ;)
 
Well, yeah. I agree... It wasn't that fair. But still, my RUF (I think the CTR2 or something) is a crappy new 4WD, with understeer so strong it's only good for drag-racing. However, that other, older RUF in my garage IS good - powerfull and happy to swing its tail out.
And really, every car sucks at Hong-Kong.
 
Yeah, but once the track sucks - every car will underperform on that track. Severe underperforming - sucking on that track.
 
Hong Kong is one of my favourite tracks, simply because it is so 'beautiful' (if that's the right word)...It is a little hard to drive on with a race/fast car, because it doesn't flow as much.

As for the Skyline argument, I don't really drive skylines much...I own a M.N.P II edition which I bought used for the Race Red Emblem Cup. That's the only reason I bought it, but i do agree that it's a pointless edition to the game.

The amount of FF cars are fine, because it adds to the depth of the game, without FF cars the game would become something like Project Gothem with just fast cars. I love my Cappucino:dopey:

Marshy:tup:
 
one of overrated cars is TVR speed 12. loads of power, light, rwd and good looks.. and no traction without R3's and upwards. good car for practising throttle control.. and that's about it.
 
I like the Honda S2000. My favorite was the Power House Amuse S2000 GT1 (which most tuner car fans surprisingly don't talk about all that much). But one is overrated in my view. And that would be the Opera Performance S2000 with the paint job and all. Racing it around Special Stage Route 5, I couldn't really see much to actually say this S2000 was better than any other in the game (Power House Amuse S2000 GT1 nonwithstanding). Unless the O.P. S2000 is actually a much better car than "stock." You win it in the Motegi 8-Hours deal. And really, it's not that exciting to me. Hell, I could BUY one in GT4, much less get my ass owned by five other cars at Motegi. So it's pretty overrated in GT4 and even on the real life front. Maybe because you can't own or tune up a car to the degree of the P.H. Amuse S2000 GT1. The best thing about the S2000 GT1 is that you can test drive it with the Slipstream Battle with the S2000 GT1s. You start out at about 175mph. Think about it. You're riding an S2000 capable of that much speed and more. Is that enough to convince you to get one in GT4?

My "most overrated" pick is thus, the Opera Performance S2000. Players, do you dig?
 
JohnBM01
Opera Performance S2000......You win it in the Motegi 8-Hours deal.
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Er, no. :indiff:
Prizecar for Motegi 8hrs Endurance is Honda NSX-R LM Edition Road Car '02.
The Opera Performance S2000 '04 is the prizecar for the Polyphony Digital Cup in the Extreme Hall.

Not sure if I can agree with your selection, since I've only just won that car and I haven't actually got round to driving it yet.
 
Leonidae
I have to say that you are completly wrong about the speed12 that car is a legend, its been around ever since gt2 and has always impressed the crowds, that is one car you should never say is over-rated.

JohnBM01
your're right about the S2000 GT1, it is one of the most under-rated cars in the game, as for the opera performance S2000, I dont believe that its over-rated at all, as I believe that it adds diversity to the S2000 range, coz almost none of them perform the same.

3-Wheel Drive
I dont think Hong Kong sucks at all, it all depends on driving style and car setup, I know that my fully tuned M5, with sports tyres and no traction performs beautifully on that track,
BTW, no track can make a car suck, only drivers make cars sucks

Oh, and I still believe that skylines are over-rated
 
Speaking of the Opera S2000, there was an article in Sport Compact Car on Opera's creator and two of his cars, and a familiar-looking Z owned by none other than Kazunori Yamauchi, the father of Gran Turismo. In the article they tested the cars in real life and in GT4 and they also showed how Opera built the three cars with brilliant precision and extreme lightness. It was a interesting article, sorry I don't have a link to it :(. Oh, and I have to add this: SCC sucks at GT4! :trouble:
 
Hey anyone here like driving the Series 1, now that is an under-rated car, with only 300+ horses it can match and beat cars in it's power output range, and not to mention is sounds absolutely orgasmic, what is with GT4 and barely any bass, robbing some cars of their low grunt sounds.

I think the speed 12 is overrated, so far it's got the worst traction issues i've ever seen, which makes no sense, since i've tuned an S7 to more horsepower and never had the amount of problems I've had with the Speed 12 on launches. This isn't only in GT4, also in Forza it's still a middle of the road performer, so no PD did douse the Speed 12 in grease. It's the same in real life with the car, not easy to handle. This is one car that could, but never did--produce. Hyped to trounce the Maclaren....ho-hum into the history books, heck they didn't even know the exact hp of the thing:rolleyes:. VERY HIGH on the overrated list. Sorry L4S i know how much you love this thing, but facts are facts, this car didn't do anything it was touted to do.
 
Overrated cars would have to b the skylines but i like the R32 n R33 and not the R34 or R31.

I think the most underrated car would have to b the Asutralian cars. i want me of them.
 
SavageEvil
Sorry L4S i know how much you love this thing, but facts are facts, this car didn't do anything it was touted to do.
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To be fair here in reality the Speed 12 was never actually given the chance to do anything, as development of the road car was stopped before it was even close to being finished.

Only one road legal version of the Speed 12 has ever existed, and in the form it is running today a lot of work has been done by the new owners.

The hp issue was hardly for want of trying, TVR did dyno the engine and it blew the dyno apart, you have to remember that at the time the car was being developed very few companies made dynos with the kind of range required. The car has since been dyno'd and depending on the cam fitted will produce either 880bhp or 960bhp, with a curb weight of 975kgs it has a quite silly PTW ratio.

I've no issue with anyone having a negative opinion on the Speed 12 (I don't personally agree), but can we try and keep the facts in play. Most of the hype around the car came from the press rather than direct from TVR, a company who for a long time was proud of the fact that they did not even bother with a marketing department. You should also keep in mind that it was TVR's boss, Peter Wheeler, who actually cancelled the car.

The last point I want to make on this is that the Speed 12 is not an easy car to handle, matches just about every TVR built then.

Regards

Scaff
 
Well said. Personally, I love my TVR Speed 12. That ratio doesn't bother me, and I didn't have any serious problems with the handling (and I'm not a particularily good driver... I'm rather one of the worst). It kills with its looks, especially in one of TVRs changing-colors paints. I always use it when showing the game to my friends (and playing with them).
 
The TVR Speed 12 was given it's chance to strut it's stuff, in the European GT races, it performed adequately. As a road car, I have no idea what Wheeler was thinking, it's not only overkill to have a lightweight car with almost 1000hp, and rear wheel drive...no one but a professional racer can drive the thing normally. The car was a test of nerves, as for breaking only one dyno, that's pathetic. With the amount of hardcore racing going on around the world, you expect me to believe that they couldn't find a dyno which had a rating over 1000hp. I read up on the car, I hear quot of nice things about the latest version, how it has better handling than the original, yet no one tests the thing, come on. I thought Saleen were tight about the S7TT being tested, but this is ridiculous. If I had a awesome car I would at least like to know what it's capable of, wouldn't you? I like the car, but as far as reality goes, it hasn't done anything worthwhile, just a big dream. The couple of them that are floating around are just show pieces, nothing more. What's the point? I'm happy it was created, like the behemoth Veyron, but can someone with a good bit of cash buy one and send it out for testing, give us some real figures to work with. Why are we still going about with theoretical figures for a car that has been available for 6+ years? I'm a disguntled enthusiast, I like it when things are given their due. It's high time the Speed 12 actually gets out there and does what it was meant to do...feel me.
 
SavageEvil
The TVR Speed 12 was given it's chance to strut it's stuff, in the European GT races, it performed adequately. As a road car, I have no idea what Wheeler was thinking, it's not only overkill to have a lightweight car with almost 1000hp, and rear wheel drive...no one but a professional racer can drive the thing normally. The car was a test of nerves, as for breaking only one dyno, that's pathetic. With the amount of hardcore racing going on around the world, you expect me to believe that they couldn't find a dyno which had a rating over 1000hp. I read up on the car, I hear quot of nice things about the latest version, how it has better handling than the original, yet no one tests the thing, come on. I thought Saleen were tight about the S7TT being tested, but this is ridiculous. If I had a awesome car I would at least like to know what it's capable of, wouldn't you? I like the car, but as far as reality goes, it hasn't done anything worthwhile, just a big dream. The couple of them that are floating around are just show pieces, nothing more. What's the point? I'm happy it was created, like the behemoth Veyron, but can someone with a good bit of cash buy one and send it out for testing, give us some real figures to work with. Why are we still going about with theoretical figures for a car that has been available for 6+ years? I'm a disguntled enthusiast, I like it when things are given their due. It's high time the Speed 12 actually gets out there and does what it was meant to do...feel me.
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The GT Race car ran to a much lower state of tune than the roads car, around 700bhp with restrictors in place.

You also say that you have read up on the car, but the text above seems to indicate differently.

To be quite clear about The TVR Speed 12 did not enter production, you can't go out and buy one to test, only one road going version exists and is every likely to exist.

That car has been tested, EVO magazine issue 79 - May 2005, you also have a pop at Peter Wheeler for giving the go ahead on the car, which means you don't seem to have read what I wrote, it was Peter Wheeler who pulled the plug on the road going version, after he drove one on the road for the first time.

As far as dyno ratings go, very few dyno's exist (even to this day) that can accuratly measure that high, those that do are very expensive. Quite likely well beyond the funds TVR had at the time. Additionally outside of F1 can you name me one track based race series in which engine output regulalrly would require a 1000bhp dyno?

Had the car actually reached production then yes it may have been accuratly dyno'd, but given that it was still in development I would imagine it was not a priority at that time.

The 'fact' that the Speed 12 had a chance to prove itself in GT racing I would in part agree with you on, shame that TVR have almost always been so badly funded its a joke.


As I said before, I have no issue on peoples personally opinion on the TVR, feel free to consider it over-rated, but at least get the facts right.

Scaff
 
The GT2 series version ran at 600hp, which is around what the Maclaren GTR ran with in LM trim. The GT2 Speed 12, had mechanical problems that made it's prescence less than stellar. I know Wheeler pulled the plug on the project, but anyone with half a brain can think that 800+hp plus a lightweight car = disaster waiting to happen on the road. Here's where I get lost, he could have dialed back the power, because the road version of the Maclaren was pushing almost 630hp and was hella fast. He didn't have to kill the project, just make it more civilized. Wheeler killed it, because he tried to drive one home, and came back to the plant saying the car is too savage for the road, or something like that. I say the Cerbera Speed 12 should be ressurrected, the only way to acquire one is to meet with Wheeler one on one and he'll decide if he'll have one built for you. Well as far as dyno's go, Henessey has to dyno his 1000hp+ cars somewhere, as does Ligenfelter, it's probably a money issue, since there were cars pushing 1000hp well before the Speed 12. I like TVR, the Tuscan Speed 6 is by far the most sexy of them all, the Griffith ain't half bad either.

But now in this day and age, technology has advanced quite well, the Veyron, its pushing 981hp, the S7TT is supposed to reach 1000+hp(no idea how the tires are going to cope with the torque). I read that TVR was bought by a Russian outfit, who knows what will become of them now.
 
I thought they were going under again and the Sagaris was the last one they were making or something. (Would rather suck if it does happen though)

Visually, the Speed 12 is overrated. People often talk about it's looks. It has potential, however, the wheel wells are cut as high as the friggan roof line. This combined with super low ground effects means that even when slammed to the ground, there is about a 5 foot gap from the top of the tires to the bottom of the wheel well lip.

For that reason alone I don't use it. (well, that and I don't have to, there's other, much better looking, ways to get the job done)
 
SavageEvil
The GT2 series version ran at 600hp, which is around what the Maclaren GTR ran with in LM trim. The GT2 Speed 12, had mechanical problems that made it's prescence less than stellar. I know Wheeler pulled the plug on the project, but anyone with half a brain can think that 800+hp plus a lightweight car = disaster waiting to happen on the road. Here's where I get lost, he could have dialed back the power, because the road version of the Maclaren was pushing almost 630hp and was hella fast. He didn't have to kill the project, just make it more civilized. Wheeler killed it, because he tried to drive one home, and came back to the plant saying the car is too savage for the road, or something like that. I say the Cerbera Speed 12 should be ressurrected, the only way to acquire one is to meet with Wheeler one on one and he'll decide if he'll have one built for you. Well as far as dyno's go, Henessey has to dyno his 1000hp+ cars somewhere, as does Ligenfelter, it's probably a money issue, since there were cars pushing 1000hp well before the Speed 12. I like TVR, the Tuscan Speed 6 is by far the most sexy of them all, the Griffith ain't half bad either.

But now in this day and age, technology has advanced quite well, the Veyron, its pushing 981hp, the S7TT is supposed to reach 1000+hp(no idea how the tires are going to cope with the torque). I read that TVR was bought by a Russian outfit, who knows what will become of them now.
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My bad on the GT cars power output, typo it should have been 600 (damn trying to post with kids about is a pain).

It should be remembered that Wheeler's comments on the car are not those of a man who doesn't know what hes talking about, he was a long term TVR owner and Tuscan racer before he bought the company. Of course asking him to build you one know whould be a pointless exercise as he no longer owns TVR.

Who knows why they shelved the project, most likely money (TVR have never been rolling in it), which could, and was better spent on other models. The Speed 12 would never have made money for them in a serious way.

The dyno issue, I never said that dyno that could measure that high were not availiable, just that they were expensive and often not that accurate, why would TVR invest in one for a single pre-production car? They slapped in on their existing (and very capable given what its normal job was) to see what it would do.

As far as TVR stands today, they are indeed now owned by a 23 year old Russian, however they have layed off a large part of the workforce and sales have fallen sharpley. A new site is planned to be built and a new model range is also in the pipeline, what comes out the end and how close it is to the TVR we know today is hard to say.

Regards

Scaff
 
MarshyTVR2
The amount of FF cars are fine, because it adds to the depth of the game, without FF cars the game would become something like Project Gothem with just fast cars. I love my Cappucino:dopey:

Marshy:tup:
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Agreed! I love using my 1976 VW GTi and owning all kinds of things, I ran less than 7:30 on the Nurb with multiple crashes and spinouts!
 
Leonidae
the older ones maybe, they can break the rear traction, but try to do that with S2's in Mustang GT'05 or C4 'vette without modding them at all.. hopeless.
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Ok, the cycle finally cam back around and I was able to purchase another C4 Grand Sport. (the one I had already had stage 1 weight redux done to it)

I really don't see how this car could be considred "overrated", much less "hopeless".

First thing I did was an oil change. Being a high mileage used car, it obviously needed it. Second thing I did was a chassis refresh. Again, being a high mileage used GT4 car, it needed it.

I meant to put N3s on it, but I forgot. I then took it to Tsukuba, because I had just been putting in a lot of laps there as part of a comparison in another thread.

Bone "stock" (in the GT4 sense - meaning off the showroom floor with crazy sticky track tires [otherwise known as default S2s]), it ran a 1:04.014 the first time I took it there. Ran 5 laps and ended up with that time as the best.

I had to leave to go out for a bit, got back, and when I went to check the times before I hit submit, I decided to give it another go, because I felt that 1:03 was in the car. In just 4 laps, I ran a 1:03.654.

Just for reference, the best I could manage with an '02 STi, also bone stock, and still on the upswing of it's break in power (and post oil change) was 1:04.096, also on default S2 tires. And.. an '04 NSX, bone stock with oil change, only managed a 1:03.849.

So that means that this 1996 front engined V8 American car is quicker than cars 6 and 8 years newer than it, with much more advanced technology, roughly equal power, and in one case, even better balanced, being MR. Not to mention that the MR costs about 90 grand.

That's not what I'd call 'hopeless'. ;)

My modified C4 Grand Sport is my fastest 'Vette. The 2 modified C1s I have are wild machines (mind blowing cornering grip), but underpowered. the C2 and C3 are just plain robbed in this game. The ZR1 is as well. No grip at all, even with S3s, for some reason. And my C5 Z06 is just overbuilt, made for high speed runs, and it's dangerous on short courses. lol Which means that the worked C4 Grand Sport was able to beat them all around tighter tracks, like Seattle, Laguna, George V, etc.

In stock trim, it's light on power. Only about 331 hp. And it could use a slight amount of suspension tweaking, but really not much.

Truly a great car, IMHO. And sweet looking too. :)
 
Gingiba
.....And the JGTC Cars, as I said before, can be reduced to 3 cars per model, with different paintjobs.

You're a Skyline fanatic, and the amound of Skylines is just enough to keep you content, but me, a Peugeot-Citroen fanatic, I'm far from content. I mean, 3 205Rally, three 206, one crappy 307 (not even with the bigger engine) and one sabotaged LMP - that's not enough. Citroen has even less. I'm missing all their greatest models - the Cit SM, the Peugeot 404, etc. However, if those 50 Skylines aren't enough (and they're not the only Nissans, the Silvia gets a 20 versions too), then I don't know what to do. But, we're no longer on-topic.
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on the JGTC thing, i would rather see more version....i want the whole grid (or atleast my favorite, eclipse Supra) to help solve the repeating race # in one race problem.....

about the rest of your post, i agree, there should be more of the quirky french cars that are so loveable (i want a 2CV panel truck, lol)....lots of other makes are understated like Fiat (i want more 500s!) and Alfa Romeo.....



back on topic, im going to have to go with the Skyline R33/R34 being the most overrated......skylines were fun when they were still basically unheard-of, but since the whole drifter/initialD/fast and furious thing came out, theres a whole fanbase that...........need i go on? you know the drill...lol

an underrated car: the BMW 2002 Turbo.......i have two, one black and 100% stock, then other silver and at 350hp (conservative)...it top 150, doesnt have a rear wing, and can smash the Ruf RGT, Lotus Esprit Sport, and any of the Astons, etc, on the 'ring (ill have to upload a replay to show you all :D ...).....it is a blast to drive (even if a bit hair-rasing), but not given enough credit.......
 

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