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The Political Cartoon/Image/Meme Thread
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Hmmm... your response suggests that you didn't read it. Here's the text:
"8 guys in this country have more money than 4 billion people combined, but yea the mom buying groceries with food stamps is the problem."
That's the whole thing. Start to finish. It says there is a "problem" and it's not the person receiving government assistance, the problem is people who have money. Now that last part is not said explicitly but it is heavily stated implicitly. And if you want to debate whether it says that, I'll be happy to. For now, I'm assuming you see that and we can not debate it.
Now let's see what you took from it:
Yes. Having money is "the problem". I did mention this in my post.
Where's that? I don't see that.
Where's that? I see something about food stamps, not poor choices.
Where's that? I don't see any mention of a global problem. I see "in this country". Not that this would undermine my point at all, just pointing out that you're reading things in.
It says that rich people are "the problem" and people receiving government money are not. How is that not communism? Someone having more than someone else is "a problem"... full stop. No need for ill-gotten gains, no need for anything unfair to have transpired.... simply "inequality" is a problem, and government payouts are not. That is, literally, advocating communism.
This isn't socialism, where someone not having enough is a problem. This is communism, where someone having too much is a problem (and government distribution is the accepted solution).
Rich people are "the problem" and people who are receiving government money are not. That's all it says.
It doesn't say they obtained it wrongfully. And I never claimed it did (in fact, if it did, that would undermine my point slightly). It says that rich people are "the problem" and people receiving government money are not.
You're bringing all of that to it. Which is fine, but it's not in there, its context you're supplying.
It says rich people are the problem.
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....necessarily stolen... such nonsense.
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But again, the only trait assigned to them is wealth. No where is corruption mentioned. The image is just bad at getting the message across. That doesn't mean that there isn't a legitimate message somewhere, but you'd be hard pressed to find it clearly spelled out in the original quote. I guess another way to look at is, if someone did think that people with money were a problem, would they have any issue using the image to support their view?
I know I've definitely given a pass to things that have been worded poorly or ambiguously because I understood them a certain way, so I don't fault anyone else for doing the same, but I think it's for the best to point out when that happens and to correct it.
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It would, yes. I would imagine that you could press this guy to include people over say... $900 million net worth though.
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Yeah, I find this pretty interesting. Make no mistake, the people behind the Lincoln Project are dyed in the wool, traditional Republicans. The last thing they want is a Democrat in the oval office. And I believe that their recent strategy of all but endorsing Joe Biden will be short lived. For the last year, I think they've seen the handwriting on the wall, that Trump has been a disaster for the country and a plague for the Republican party, or let's say the party as it once was. Trump's handling of the pandemic, the looming economic windfall, the frosty relationship with our traditional allies, the general civil unrest and his chaotic lashing out in every direction has created a perfect storm in an election year. And there looks to be a strong back lash against the GOP for both Trump himself and possibly, by association, in the Senate as well. So I think their strategy is to distance themselves from both Trump and from his enablers in Congress & the Senate. They're already assuming he's going to lose (which at this point looks all but certain) and they're doing damage control.
That said, I suspect they will begin their criticism of Joe Biden from Day one in office and from there, they'll face a long road trying weed Trumpism out of the party and they're hoping to regroup for 2024. Good luck to them; they truly have an uphill battle.
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You can't riot and loot over paedophiles....
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Sounds like someone feels the need to repeat this left-can't-meme myth every time Lincoln makes a video featuring Democrat presidents doing things better than Trump. Right or left, having a big budget and a team of scriptwriters helps when it comes to making effective propaganda.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/872436.stm
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2000/aug/09/childprotection
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First, pedophile isn't properly used there. What the image intends, I think, is "child sexual abuse" in place of pedophile. It's possible to be a pedophile and not a criminal, since pedophilia is not the act itself but the attraction.
Secondly, it's possible for multiple bad things to happen at the same time. But people are going to naturally be more active about the one they see happening to them personally. And I think all of us understand that we could potentially be victims of police abuse, whereas not nearly as many people identify with being abducted to an island by a sexual predator. That's not pure selfishness either, it speaks to how pervasive the issue is.
I think to draw a more appropriate comparison, we'd look at mass shootings. Which are fairly pervasive (and no doubt are still happening and just not being reported on every 5 seconds anymore), Yup. That's the sort of thing that people can see happening to them, and which is indicative of a problem they often want to see government action on. So do we see protests for mass shootings?
Yup.
People protest. A lot.
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LOL... where to begin...?
Tl;dr... social justice is not a cult. Anti-SJW videos like to pick the wackiest nutjobs in the movement and then scour mainstream proponents for any hint of correlation with them as a argument that their ideas are spreading. The video provides several fallacious examples of such "nutpicking".
Fallacies detected include: confirmation bias, strawmen, transfer propaganda, appeal to motives.
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I was genuinely confused about whether those images were meant to be taken seriously or were tongue in cheek. Like... is that carebear image made by people who hate SJWs? Or was it created by SJWs to parody people who hate social justice? I honestly can't tell. Especially the mass grave image strikes me that way.
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Don't you think it's kind of messed up to exploit some unrelated tragedy into a pretty bad meme? Like, those people actually died / were murdered (not sure what the image is exactly depicting, but the uniforms look Nazi-like) just for you to go "hur hur, lulz, owned the libs". And again, it's really not a good meme. I guess not all conservatives can meme.
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The meme template is called "Socialist Genocide" & is found on imageflip, it has nothing whatsoever to do with Nazi's as you have falsley assumed. 'Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it', as the saying goes, & seeing as pretty much the same recycled garbage radical leftist ideas are driving the current Social Justice™ movement as the 20th century Marxist/Socialist/Communist ones, there is a relation between the two.
Don't assume, ask. This is the second time you've made a false & unfounded assumption about me. Try engaging in a two way conversation, instead of replying based on your own prejudicial & presumptuous misrepresentations of others.
Meanwhile, back in December 2019...
Yeah, that's right; not all Liberals like me buy into the politically fashionable & absurd academic pseudo-intellectual nonsense coming out of the colleges & universities of late...
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