The Political Cartoon/Image/Meme Thread

[VolkswagenX]

Is Anthony Huber the guy getting hit with the skateboard?
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Must have seen a different videos.

 

[BobK]

What a bunch of disgraceful folks VBR, Chrunch & ryzno are.

This forum used to have civil discussions where people actually respected each other even though they disagreed. Now it's degenerated into name-calling and poo-flinging.

Disgusting.

 

[McLaren]

This forum used to have civil discussions where people actually respected each other even though they disagreed. Now it's degenerated into name-calling and poo-flinging.

Disgusting.

You don't deserve civility when you openly champion someone who kills 2 individuals & wounds 1 other b/c 1 of the victims was a pedophile (that the shooter had no way of knowing), walks by police & then goes home.

Kyle Rittenhouse should get a medal IMO,

You've been liking some of their posts, so if you find this sort of barbaric view agreeable, you can chalk your name up there as well.

 

[VBR]

This forum used to have civil discussions where people actually respected each other even though they disagreed. Now it's degenerated into name-calling and poo-flinging.

Disgusting.

All some people know are Ad Hominems & attempts at Kafkatrapping...

Spoiler: Warning - NSFW - Bad Language...

 

[DK]

If it honks like a goose, steps like a goose...need I go on?

 

[VBR]

If it honks like a goose, steps like a goose...need I go on?

How to deal with a kafka trap

If presented with a kafka trap don’t try to argue or deny it because your words will be twisted and used against you.

In fact, any attempt to argue, deny or defend yourself will be seen as proof of guilt, and SJW’s and trolls might say things like:

“Deny, Deny, Deny”

“There’s no smoke without fire”

“Me thinks thou dost protest too much”

My advice: Ignore it, and if possible put the shoe on the other foot and reverse the accusation. See how they like it.

“The kafkatrap is a form of argument that is so fallacious and manipulative that those subjected to it are entitled to reject it based entirely on the form of the argument, without reference to whatever particular sin or thoughtcrime is being alleged” – Eric Raymond


Source: https://lifelessons.co/critical-thinking/kafkatrapping/

 

[UKMikey]

While the Trump administration is ignoring peaceful protesting, Biden is getting the blame for all incidents of violence at protests because they are examples of what WOULD happen under a Biden Administration, rather than being REALITY under the Trump Administration.

That sounds like a "Kafka trap" to me. Guess some people are hardwired to look for conflict where none exists.

 

[Groundfish]

I guess it somehow makes sense to some people that an idea of having the right to defend ones self when criminals attack you is morally wrong?

The legal system is clear on self defense. Deadly force is allowed when an individual is under threat of bodily harm.

I’d like to hear someone’s thinking...Why do you think self defense is morally wrong?

Because that’s what is being thrown out against @VBR.

Please explain why you guys think self defense is morally wrong!

 

[Northstar]

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It's nothing to do with social justice, it's just plain justice.

If we continue allowing police to abuse their powers when dealing with African-Americans, how long do you think it will be before they just do it towards everyone?

I’d like to hear someone’s thinking...Why do you think self defense is morally wrong?

Please point to where someone has said that as I have yet to see it?

 

[McLaren]

I guess it somehow makes sense to some people that an idea of having the right to defend ones self when criminals attack you is morally wrong?

The legal system is clear on self defense. Deadly force is allowed when an individual is under threat of bodily harm.

I’d like to hear someone’s thinking...Why do you think self defense is morally wrong?

Because that’s what is being thrown out against @VBR.

Please explain why you guys think self defense is morally wrong!

Because it wasn't self-defense. The police were at the end of the street, and he walked past them after shooting 2 people; he didn't turn the gun over or tell them he just shot 2 people in self-defense. No, he went home b/c he was scared of what consequences might occur if he stuck around. That alone is going to carry weight against him in court.

Or does the Trump supporter who was killed after shooting mace a valid act of self-defense as well?

In case you're not aware, claiming self-defense in this country to validate the use of a weapon requires an incredibly strong argument. There's a huge reason any fire-arms training class or concealed carry class will advise you to never brandish your weapon in self-defense unless you absolutely must. I believe in Texas, even attempting to use your weapon in the defense of someone else is highly advised against.

 

[Groundfish]

Because it wasn't self-defense

 

[UKMikey]

You may be walking but Kyle ran. If he's so innocent because some internet lawyer says so then he should have no problems in court. Guess we'll all see.
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[McLaren]

If you're not interested in arguing the point yourself, don't bother asking for a response next time. Sharing biased media as you & your ilk constantly do only share your ignorance on hand.

(2) Provocation affects the privilege of self-defense as follows: (a) A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense against such attack, except when the attack which ensues is of a type causing the person engaging in the unlawful conduct to reasonably believe that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. In such a case, the person engaging in the unlawful conduct is privileged to act in self-defense, but the person is not privileged to resort to the use of force intended or likely to cause death to the person's assailant unless the person reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant.

This is where the issue will likely be argued in court.

He's 17 in a state that does not allow him to legally own a weapon. He illegally obtained a weapon. He was not from the area that was clearly full of tension & unrest. He purposely traveled to that area with said illegally-acquired weapon (one has to know brandishing such a weapon that he had in a high-tension area is not a wise decision). He left the business he claimed to be protecting to investigate a disturbance that did not involve him. This is where self-defense comes into immediate questioning. He brought a weapon that led to the death of others when the law (the one you claim is agreed upon) states he shouldn't have had that weapon to begin with.

 

[Sander 001]

 

[VBR]

It's nothing to do with social justice, it's just plain justice.

When I say Social Justice™, I'm referring to the ideology that drives movements like BLM & Antifa, which people like Dr. James Lindsay are exposing for what it is. I believe in social justice & progress, but not the current way certain people & groups are going about trying to achieve it. As the old saying goes, there's more than one way to skin a cat. That's why I speak up & out against those using methods that I believe to be incongruent with the reality of the situation.

Social Injustice

If we continue allowing police to abuse their powers when dealing with African-Americans, how long do you think it will be before they just do it towards everyone?

Regarding the picture you posted; that's a famous saying, one that I like & I agree very much with the sentiments therein. However, I do not believe that it applies to this particular situation. I, along with many other people, including some black Americans, do not think that the police abuse their powers with black folk anymore than with white folk, generally speaking. I think that certain parties would like to convince people that is the case, but I have never seen any evidence to back up such claims, just an awful lot of ideologically driven rhetoric, 'lived experiences', & unfounded accusations. Sure, there is the odd racist cop here & there, but most people who die in custody are not victims of racism, let alone 'systemic' racism. Have you ever seen the Dave Rubin vs Larry Elder interview when the subject came up? I found it a real eye-opener...




Regarding Kyle Rittenhouse; based on the video footage of before & after the shooting that I've seen so far, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that it was self-defense. Innocent until proven guilty; let's see what happens when it goes to trial...

 

[DesertPenguin]

I, along with many other people, including some black Americans, do not think that the police abuse their powers with black folk anymore than with white folk, generally speaking.

But would you agree they abuse their powers?

 

[VBR]

You don't deserve civility when you openly champion someone who kills 2 individuals & wounds 1 other b/c 1 of the victims was a pedophile (that the shooter had no way of knowing), walks by police & then goes home. You've been liking some of their posts, so if you find this sort of barbaric view agreeable, you can chalk your name up there as well.

I believe it was self-defense & was justified, you don't. That's all that's going on here, just a difference of opinion. I find it incredibly sad that you feel people don't deserve to be treated civilly simply for having a different opinion to you.

This guy is an example & a lesson to us all.

But would you agree they abuse their powers?

Yes, absolutely, a small minority of them sometimes do. And, the reasons behind those abuses are complex & many...


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[DesertPenguin]

Yes, absolutely, a small minority of them sometimes do. And, the reasons behind those abuses are complex & many...

1) You don't know how many, there are only known cases of things that have happened but that doesn't account for all of the cops with that same mindset that haven't done anything yet. We can't accurately say how many are like that. We can accurately say that it is a mindset that exists in cop culture and it needs to be rooted out, no matter how big or small.

2) The reasons are rarely if ever justified and that's part of the what we're discussing. Justification and most often lack there of. How does it get defined. Etc.

 

[McLaren]

I believe it was self-defense & was justified, you don't. That's all that's going on here, just a difference of opinion. I find it incredibly sad that you feel people don't deserve to be treated civilly simply for having a different opinion to you.

You openly said a 17-year old should be given a medal for killing someone & justified that its protesters' fault they get hurt.

It's laughable you've decided to take this peaceful stance about just having a difference of opinion after the incorrect rhetoric you've been sharing on the last few pages

 

[VBR]

1) You don't know how many, there are only known cases of things that have happened...

That's a contradiction. There are stats on how many people die in police custody, & whether or not they were righteous kills.

...but that doesn't account for all of the cops with that same mindset that haven't done anything yet.

I'm not interested in thought-policing the police force1984 style, nor in pre-crime Philip K Dick style! I don't think making assumptions about what the police think or the mindset that they have is helpful in any way shape or form. Stereotyping police officers like this is part of the problem IMO.

We can accurately say that it is a mindset that exists in cop culture and it needs to be rooted out, no matter how big or small.

You can say anything you want, but it doesn't make it true. Back it up with actual hard evidence, or that argument is just more Critical Theory driven ideological speculation.

2) The reasons are rarely if ever justified and that's part of the what we're discussing. Justification and most often lack there of. How does it get defined. Etc.

The vast majority of police kills are justified, most people are killed resisting arrest, etc. It's only a minority that aren't.


Why not try listening to an actual police officer like Brandon Tatum, who grew up in the hood, went to college, became a cop, then left & started a YouTube channel speaking about his experiences...

https://www.youtube.com/c/TheOfficerTatum/videos

 

[McLaren]

Stereotyping police officers like this is part of the problem IMO.

That's quite a bold claim considering you do the same for protesters.

You can say anything you want, but it doesn't make it true.

Irony.

Why not try listening to an actual police officer like Brandon Tatum, who grew up in the hood, went to college, became a cop, then left & started a YouTube channel speaking about his experiences...

https://www.youtube.com/c/TheOfficerTatum/videos

Hey look, the other token black person besides Candace Owen the right props up to say, "Hey, see, we like black people!"

Why do you guys constantly prove your reluctance by only sharing right-wing media....

 

[Lain]

But what about good guys with guns trying to assault mass shooters?

 

[GranTurNismo]

The only acceptable definition of socialism is the collective ownership of the means of production.

 

[Sander 001]

 

[Joey D]

The legal system is clear on self defense. Deadly force is allowed when an individual is under threat of bodily harm.

It's actually not. I don't know if you've ever taken a CCW class, but it's essentially 30 minutes of shooting and 7.5 hours of all the legalities surrounding self-defense, usually taught by a lawyer. If you're going to carry a weapon and if you're prepared to use it, then you need to know all the ramifications for pulling the trigger.

I believe it was self-defense & was justified, you don't.

Yes, it was self-defense, but the fact that Rittenhouse was even there to begin with shows his intentions. He wasn't protecting his home, family, place of employment, the city he lives in, or even the state he's a resident of. What he did is called vigilantism, and while that is technically not illegal, many of the things Rittenhouse did were. Since you prefer hard evidence, this comes directly from the Wisconsin State Legislature:

A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense against such attack, except when the attack which ensues is of a type causing the person engaging in the unlawful conduct to reasonably believe that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. In such a case, the person engaging in the unlawful conduct is privileged to act in self-defense, but the person is not privileged to resort to the use of force intended or likely to cause death to the person's assailant unless the person reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant.

Rittenhouse is going to get eaten alive in court.

 

[McLaren]

On that note, Rittenhouse is seen walking around offering medical help when a protester recognizes him from earlier, claiming he saw Kyle pointing his gun around & telling people to get out of a car.

 

[Danoff]

Yes, absolutely, a small minority of them sometimes do. And, the reasons behind those abuses are complex & many...

Sounds like the way some people talk about protesters. A small minority of them sometimes riot and loot.

 

[ScottPuss20]

The only disgraceful folks here are the ones rioting, looting, beating/killing innocent people, & those who support them from the sidelines in any way shape, or form. If you're dumb enough to allow 'Socialist **** Stirrers' to manipulate you with Appeal to Emotion fallacies, whip you up into a mob, & aim you at the system they wanna takedown, then more fool you. If you get yourself killed in the process because you're part of a destructive mob chasing down someone who was there to defend private property, I have no sympathy for you whatsoever. If you wanna sign up with a bunch of 'Micky Mouse Marxists' & join in their cheap plastic revolution, go right ahead, but people are going to get hurt & it's gonna be your fault.

The fact he turned out to be a Nonce makes no difference at all to me, & I'd feel exactly the same way even if he was a 'kindergarten teacher who cared for rescue puppies in his free time'. Kyle Rittenhouse should get a medal IMO, along with all patriotic Americans who are bearing arms in order to defend their country from the hordes of mindless ideologues infected with the utter garbage that is Critical Social Justice Theory™ who wanna tear it down.

All some people know are Ad Hominems & attempts at Kafkatrapping...

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Spoiler: Warning - NSFW - Bad Language...

How to deal with a kafka trap

If presented with a kafka trap don’t try to argue or deny it because your words will be twisted and used against you.

In fact, any attempt to argue, deny or defend yourself will be seen as proof of guilt, and SJW’s and trolls might say things like:

“Deny, Deny, Deny”

“There’s no smoke without fire”

“Me thinks thou dost protest too much”

My advice: Ignore it, and if possible put the shoe on the other foot and reverse the accusation. See how they like it.

“The kafkatrap is a form of argument that is so fallacious and manipulative that those subjected to it are entitled to reject it based entirely on the form of the argument, without reference to whatever particular sin or thoughtcrime is being alleged” – Eric Raymond


Source: https://lifelessons.co/critical-thinking/kafkatrapping/

When I say Social Justice™, I'm referring to the ideology that drives movements like BLM & Antifa, which people like Dr. James Lindsay are exposing for what it is. I believe in social justice & progress, but not the current way certain people & groups are going about trying to achieve it. As the old saying goes, there's more than one way to skin a cat. That's why I speak up & out against those using methods that I believe to be incongruent with the reality of the situation.

Social Injustice

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Regarding the picture you posted; that's a famous saying, one that I like & I agree very much with the sentiments therein. However, I do not believe that it applies to this particular situation. I, along with many other people, including some black Americans, do not think that the police abuse their powers with black folk anymore than with white folk, generally speaking. I think that certain parties would like to convince people that is the case, but I have never seen any evidence to back up such claims, just an awful lot of ideologically driven rhetoric, 'lived experiences', & unfounded accusations. Sure, there is the odd racist cop here & there, but most people who die in custody are not victims of racism, let alone 'systemic' racism. Have you ever seen the Dave Rubin vs Larry Elder interview when the subject came up? I found it a real eye-opener...




Regarding Kyle Rittenhouse; based on the video footage of before & after the shooting that I've seen so far, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that it was self-defense. Innocent until proven guilty; let's see what happens when it goes to trial...

Why aren't you banned yet?

Also, killing someone intentionally is murder. Rittenhouse wasn't acting in self-defense, so he'll be at the mercy of the courts. It doesn't matter if his victim is a known pedophile, it's meaningless in the eyes of the law.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

The price for Trump stock is rising quickly on the betting market. If you want to double your money, bet on Trump now.

 

[Sander 001]