The SL55 cant be THIS bad??

[Threshold]

It's a Merc. So yeah, it's crap. Maybe if it had a clutch it would be a little bit faster.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

But your smilies don't have capitals, mine kept reverting to lower case without actual words in the post.

 

[McLaren]

It's a Merc. So yeah, it's crap. Maybe if it had a clutch it would be a little bit faster.

What an intelligent comment.

BTW, the SL55 AMG is as fast as the Corvette. It has times near, matching, or even beating a C5 Z06 or Corvette C6.

 

[deadlyz33]

What an intelligent comment.

BTW, the SL55 AMG is as fast as the Corvette. It has times near, matching, or even beating a C5 Z06 or Corvette C6.

I somehow doubt that. Shall we compare nurburgring times?

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

What an intelligent comment.

BTW, the SL55 AMG is as fast as the Corvette. It has times near, matching, or even beating a C5 Z06 or Corvette C6.

It is a good car, undoubtedly, but not as fast as a Corvette Z06, I'd highly doubt that.

I somehow doubt that. Shall we compare nurburgring times?

No, cause the Ring times prove nothing, not much anyway.

Edit: They reckon that a wet track accounts for 4sec on the Top Gear track, and the SL 55 got a 1'33 but the base model Corvette got a 1'26.

 

[deadlyz33]

It is a good car, undoubtedly, but not as fast as a Corvette Z06, I'd highly doubt that.



No, cause the Ring times prove nothing, not much anyway.

Ring times prove a hell of a lot more than the top gear track.

7:59 - C6 (not zo6)
8:02 - CLK 63 AMG
8:06 --- 152.592 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG (sport auto 04/02)

Overall pretty close, though.

 

[Dragonistic]

Ring times prove a hell of a lot more than the top gear track.

Only if its done independantly by an unbiased neutral party, manufacturer times are always that little bit dodgy because you don't know what tyres they have etc.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Ring times prove a hell of a lot more than the top gear track.

How and why? Let's look at it for a second:

Nürburgring:
Different driver in each car
Extremely long length meaning times very in-consistent
Can sometimes favour cars with softer suspension and/or more top speed

Top Gear Track:
Same driver each time, and a damn good one
Short so times are fairly accurate for each car
Still has varying range of corners to test handling
Has high speed sction still

Edit: Even so, the Ring times you posted are fairly propotionate to the Top Gear Test Track times, so in this instance they seem pretty acurate.

Edit 2: And the SL 55 does have 100hp more than the C6.

 

[deadlyz33]

How and why? Let's look at it for a second:

Nürburgring:
Different driver in each car
Extremely long length meaning times very in-consistent
Can sometimes favour cars with softer suspension and/or more top speed

Top Gear Track:
Same driver each time, and a damn good one
Short so times are fairly accurate for each car
Still has varying range of corners to test handling
Has high speed sction still

Edit: Even so, the Ring times you posted are fairly propotionate to the Top Gear Test Track times, so in this instance they seem pretty acurate.

I guess we agree after all!

 

[gator of kana]

I guess we agree after all!

I don't, the Nurburgring proves everything, besides they hire professional drivers like some from Best Motoring to do the job

 

[GT]

let's not compare the ZO6 to a SL55 shall we. Why not?, you may think...here's why.

The Vette is a supercar, its latest itteration is designed as a well trodden track car. This explains its light-weight chassis, its carbon body and the lack of 'comfort'; though i'm guessing anyone of us would be quite comfortable in it it weighs 1418kg...

The SL55 is completely different; what is more, the philosophy and thinking process is designed for a quite different purpose then the ZO6. First of all...it's not made of carbon , the suspension is geared towards comfort, not its cornering ability. Weight reduction isn't something the SL55 does...it has a roof that simply disappears in the trunk...enought said I guess; oh, it weighs 1974kg...yeah, that's right

So stop this non-informative comparison...it's simply not going to work...sorry!

oh, and I think the SL55 drives like a Mercedes should, the thing one has to realize is that it carries some weight that needs to be considered when cornering; this would mean braking earlier, and avoiding getting the rear to lose grip, avoiding the front tyres to overload and start to slide ect. It all comes down to considering what you're driving...

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

I don't, the Nurburgring proves everything, besides they hire professional drivers like some from Best Motoring to do the job

You grab 500hp and run the same lap times within a second every lap at Nürburgring, it's almost impossible, Nürburgring laps don't prove enough, but are good for testing a car as there is practically every corner in the book there and you can find weaknesses.

let's not compare the ZO6 to a SL55 shall we. Why not?, you may think...here's why.

The Vette is a supercar, its latest itteration is designed as a well trodden track car. This explains its light-weight chassis, its carbon body and the lack of 'comfort'; though i'm guessing anyone of us would be quite comfortable in it it weighs 1418kg...

The SL55 is completely different; what is more, the philosophy and thinking process is designed for a quite different purpose then the ZO6. First of all...it's not made of carbon , the suspension is geared towards comfort, not its cornering ability. Weight reduction isn't something the SL55 does...it has a roof that simply disappears in the trunk...enought said I guess; oh, it weighs 1974kg...yeah, that's right

So stop this non-informative comparison...it's simply not going to work...sorry!

oh, and I think the SL55 drives like a Mercedes should, the thing one has to realize is that it carries some weight that needs to be considered when cornering; this would mean braking earlier, and avoiding getting the rear to lose grip, avoiding the front tyres to overload and start to slide ect. It all comes down to considering what you're driving...

Perhaps you should read the whole conversation before making posts like this.

 

[GT]

perhaps I shouldn't... perhaps I should...as someone did mention a comparison between the two cars which I believe is unfair; this would justify my reply to a sub-topic within this thread...

 

[McLaren]

It is a good car, undoubtedly, but not as fast as a Corvette Z06, I'd highly doubt that.

It's extremely close considering it's weight. 1:14.9 for the C5 Z05, 1:15.9 for the SL55, at Hockenheim Short.

 

[nissan tuner]

I think it's the way the Suspension in rear is build. Since it's a heavy car, they try to make it lil stiffer, and there for is bouncy like that. It's a NOSE heavy car with lighter boot. I know KAZ has this car in real life as a everyday driver. Buy WHY this one in GT5PROLOGUE? I would choose something more sporty, like the new CLK 63 AMG! or CLK DTM *Street version, not actual racing one*. There cars are one of best sports cars to come out from a Mercedes and can handle all M series with no problem and keep up with LAMBOS even.

i wish i could say "add the SLK55 to that list" but most reviewers says that its even worse than the SL55 in performance. maybe there's hope for the 3rd generation?

edit: the C63 & C43 AMG in GT5p would of made my day

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

It's extremely close considering it's weight. 1:14.9 for the C5 Z05, 1:15.9 for the SL55, at Hockenheim Short.

That is pretty close, but at least the C5 is still faster, and 10yrs older right?

 

[RedSuinit]

That is pretty close, but at least the C5 is still faster, and 10yrs older right?

Yes, but as someone said earlier, the Germans have a tendency to have LOTS of extras for comfort and fun. (Which stacks on the pounds, making a quite hefty fellow, but the C5 is a boat in and of itself, just like the 'Stang.)

Let's compare: (stock for stock mind you)

C5 weighing in at: 3,246 lb. (Coupe version)

C5 HP rating: 345 @ 5600 RPM (with the 5.7 lt. LS1 (it's an aluminum block and heads! nice and light ) V8 with SFI (sequential fuel injection for those who don't know)

C5 torque rating: 350 ft-lb @ 4400 RPM (giving the C5 a great power-band)

SL55 weighing in at: 4,411 lb. (Hefty isn't she?)

SL55 HP rating: 493 @ 6100 RPM

SL55 torque rating: 516 ft-lb @ 4500 RPM (Even though the torque power-band is virtually flat from 2650 RPM to 4500 RPM)

Giving us, Pwer to weight ratios of:

C5: 1 HP : 9.4 lb.

SL55: 1 HP : 8.9 lb. (strange isn't it? Then again all the power stats are at the flywheel and could be different at the wheels, and the corvette could have a lower drag coefficient, but you can work the rest out yourself. )

Luke

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Well it's the handling, as is the topic, the SL55 is THAT bad, (THAT bad is what you experience in GT5).

 

[RedSuinit]

Well it's the handling, as is the topic, the SL55 is THAT bad, (THAT bad is what you experience in GT5).

Haha, oops, I thought someone posted up drag speeds, but it was speeds on a circuit.

Luke

 

[Kryz11]

For the weight, SL55 is like a fat ballerina, It may not be better as slim ballerinas, but for sure it moves better then any other HEAVY car.

How and why? Let's look at it for a second:

Nürburgring:
Different driver in each car
Extremely long length meaning times very in-consistent
Can sometimes favour cars with softer suspension and/or more top speed

Top Gear Track:
Same driver each time, and a damn good one
Short so times are fairly accurate for each car
Still has varying range of corners to test handling
Has high speed sction still

I agree, they could stick Better tires, better driver for the Vette then SL
Could someone go right now in GT5P, see rankings for all the Vette and SL55 and post them for each track?
Besides, I bet the VETTE is more popular then the SL55. A guy like me is slower 5 seconds then Highest ranked players, on average for me. So lets say a guy like me drives SL55 and TOP player drives the VETTE, of course the VETTE is going to have better time them me. But what if THAT fast guy drove the SL55, maybe he could improve RANKING records by 3-5 seconds?
That is another take to bring in mind, Vette is pouplare in GT world, the SL55 not as much and SL55 could have slower drivers then what this car would really do.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

For the weight, SL55 is like a fat ballerina, It may not be better as slim ballerinas, but for sure it moves better then any other HEAVY car.



I agree, they could stick Better tires, better driver for the Vette then SL
Could someone go right now in GT5P, see rankings for all the Vette and SL55 and post them for each track?
Besides, I bet the VETTE is more popular then the SL55. A guy like me is slower 5 seconds then Highest ranked players, on average for me. So lets say a guy like me drives SL55 and TOP player drives the VETTE, of course the VETTE is going to have better time them me. But what if THAT fast guy drove the SL55, maybe he could improve RANKING records by 3-5 seconds?
That is another take to bring in mind, Vette is pouplare in GT world, the SL55 not as much and SL55 could have slower drivers then what this car would really do.

But The Stig is the same every time (we assume ).

 

[Kryz11]

But The Stig is the same every time (we assume ).

Yeah, he might be the most a SECOND off since each car is different with each driver.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Yeah, he might be the most a SECOND off since each car is different with each driver.

Well I'm pretty sure his driving is not as good with big heavy sedans. That's not the point here though, Top Gear Lap Times are very reliable often.

 

[blademask]

Sheesh!

Forget I mentioned anything about the Sl55 vs the C5 corvette. I always pictured the SL55 as a more sporty car than anything. I wasn't aware of its weight problems

SO I TAKE IT BACK.

Now you guys can stop arguing :?

 

[Threshold]

What an intelligent comment.

BTW, the SL55 AMG is as fast as the Corvette. It has times near, matching, or even beating a C5 Z06 or Corvette C6.

I'll follow up with an intelligent pic

 

[McLaren]

You're a Ferrari fan. Typical, thinking the Prancing Horse is god.

 

[Kryz11]

I'll follow up with an intelligent pic

It's funny that 80K GTR beat F430 that a twice the money on top gear .
How does that feel?

 

[nissan tuner]

*cough*black series*cough**

 

[peterjford]

Is it just me or does anyone else find it funny that we are talking about how heavy the SL is when the SL originally was short for 'Sport Leicht'?

I realize the original comments that brought the Corvette into this thread were what someone said the SL55 should be like, not what it should be compared to. If you want a GM car to compare the SL55 it should be the Cadillac 2 dr convertible, but we don't have that in the game and I don't think Top Gear has tested it so I guess this is a pointless paragraph.

 

[Threshold]

It's funny that 80K GTR beat F430 that a twice the money on top gear .
How does that feel?

Actually, both the GTR and the F430 Scuderia got a 1'19.7 lap time in Top Gear. F430 was on street summer tires, Pirelli PZeros. The GTR was on a much more aggressive tire, Bridgestoe Potenza RE070R. Also, the F430 is just a refinement of a 2006 chassis, while the GTR is a brand new 2009 chassis.

Honestly though, there are a few cars that are cheaper and faster than the F430 and F430 Scuderia. But flat out single lap time performance is not the main reason why all of Ferrari's models have a 2 year plus waiting list, and are priced $50,000 to $100,000 over MSRP.